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[ajnast4r]

ive been thinking about trying this stuff as a replacement for coffee... any good/bad experiences?

[hallucinogen]

There are a few side-effects associated with it, and you become tolerant if you use it for prolonged period of time. Never tried this stuff, been avoiding it for a reason I can't quite recall atm:p

[stellar]

its good stuff. taking 1-1.5g is a great energy boost and anxiolytic at the same time.
some people combine it with rhodiola for even more of a mood boost.

[ajnast4r]

anyone know where i can get it pre-capped?

i know 1fast400 sells it bulk, but i dont have a capping machine and capping by hand is a PITA

[scottl]

anyone know where i can get it pre-capped?

i know 1fast400 sells it bulk, but i dont have a capping machine and capping by hand is a PITA

Why not just use unsweetned cocoa + pinch sweetner of choice (I use stevia).

[ajnast4r]

anyone know where i can get it pre-capped?

i know 1fast400 sells it bulk, but i dont have a capping machine and capping by hand is a PITA

Why not just use unsweetned cocoa + pinch sweetner of choice (I use stevia).

looking for a replacement for occasional coffee use... plain cocoa just isnt that strong of a stim

[stellar]

imo, chocamine isnt a supp you should be capping. cook up some hot water, add some green tea powder, unsweetened cocoa and 1g of chocamine. tastes awesome, trust me

if you dont wanna do that, just try hot water and 1g of chocamine. imo it tastes great by itself, but you could always add stevia if you dont like it.

[jegrx]

its good stuff. taking 1-1.5g is a great energy boost and anxiolytic at the same time.
some people combine it with rhodiola for even more of a mood boost.

IME, I get zero benefit from chocomine, even at 5g doses. YMMV.

[stellar]

even at 5g doses.

[!] [:o] [!]


Surely you jest, thats ~ 600mg theobromine!!!

[jegrx]

Yes, a little. But, I have used up to 3.5g with 1.5g DLPA, with no discernable effect.

[stellar]

Yes, a little. But, I have used up to 3.5g with 1.5g DLPA, with no discernable effect.

he's dead, jim!!!

[jegrx]

What?

There are others who have no reaction as well.

[ajnast4r]

What?

There are others who have no reaction as well.

yup, ive heard that too...

do you use alot of caffein or other stims?



i should have my chocamine on monday or tuesday, ill post up results.

[stellar]

What?

There are others who have no reaction as well.

jeez, i was joking. surprised, but joking

[lol]

[jegrx]

AJnast4r - Currently, I do not use ANY stims at all. At the time of chocomine trial, I was using tyrosine, AMP, HEAT (although, not a stim), DLPA, coffee, venom, and Basic Cuts on a rotating basis.

Stellar - Ah. Gotcha.

[ajnast4r]

oh well no wonder you didnt feel anything hahaha... most of the guys ive seen who didnt feel anything were cutting bodybuilders who were using every stim under the sun.

[ajnast4r]

i just noticed on bulk nutritions site that they have a COA posted for CAFFEINE FREE chocamine... but the website doesnt mention it as being caffeine free.

im not gonna be happy if accidentally bought caffeine free

[wannafulfill]

I am pretty sensitive to stimulants because I've never been a coffee drinker or anything recreational and I get a very noticeable kick in the pants from fresh sencha. I think it's the best possible alternative to coffee you can get, but it might not be strong enough for what you want.

[ajnast4r]

i drink sencha all the time, it works... but makes me piss like crazy. so i can only have 1 cup in the morning.

ok i got a reply from BN, that stuff is defintely decaf.... no wonder so many people dont feel anything or need to take 3 or 4 grams.

i asked them to stock the caffeinated chocaminie, they said they would look into it so we will see...

if anyone knows where i could get caffeinated chocamine, let me know.

thanks

[ajnast4r]

someone on avant linked me to this thread about the potential neurotoxicity of chocamine... the evidence looks anecdotal at best, what do you guys think? have you heard anything about this before?

http://forum.bodybui...58&postcount=18

[Shepard]

Yeah, I posted those studies on here before. I believe the general consensus on another thread at Avant was that it isn't that big of a deal. Although, I probably still wouldn't replace coffee with it.

[ajnast4r]

this would suck... because decaf chocomine + guarana (or im asuming just regular chocamine) has EXACTLY the effects i want.

improved mood and energy, and appatite supression without nausea

[simple]

I have tried a similar solution, it is call Xocai, pure raw chocolate, sweetened with agave plant honey and cicay berries from brazil, I like the effect it keeps me awake, clear mind and energetic for about 3 to 5 hours, that is by drinking about one spoon full upon waking up, after the effects goes away, I "crash", I have not had the chance to follow the proper dosage, the suggested usage is 1 oz, 3 to 4 times a day.

[ajnast4r]

I have tried a similar solution, it is call Xocai, pure raw chocolate, sweetened with agave plant honey and cicay berries from brazil, I like the effect it keeps me awake, clear mind and energetic for about 3 to 5 hours, that is by drinking about one spoon full upon waking up, after the effects goes away, I "crash", I have not had the chance to follow the proper dosage, the suggested usage is 1 oz, 3 to 4 times a day.

i took a look at that stuff, its like 35$ for 25oz, which is REALLY expensive... + its got splenda in it :/

[ajnast4r]

i think that claim for neurtoxicicty of chocamine, is anecdotal at BEST. if anyone finds proof otherwise, let me know. a gram or two of chocamine a day is by my best guess, alot less than a bar of dark chocolate... sans the std caffeine/theobromine.

i think if chocolate WAS neurotoxic, about half of the female population in this country would be dead.

i found a place to get chocamine w/ caffeine:
http://www.giantnutr...?products_id=49



this has been discussed before in sci.life-extension:

http://groups-beta.g...6e3611c1d18590d

One particularly interesting response

kacper    Jun 9 2002, 11:04 am    show options
Newsgroups: sci.life-extension, rec.drugs.smart
From: "kacper" - Find messages by this author
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:00:41 +0200
Local: Sun, Jun 9 2002 11:00 am
Subject: Re: isoquinloines (CHOCOLATE!) & Parkinsons
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"lad" :

> " Researchers at the meeting also reported a
> potential link between eating a lot of foods that
> contain compounds known as isoquinolines (IQs) -
> such as chocolate, cheese, milk and wine - and
> Parkinson's disease. "

> "He found those who ate a lot of chocolate - two
> to three candy bars per week - had more than a
> three-fold increased risk of having Parkinson's
> than those who ate less. "

I think researchers do like to make things more complicated than they are
(they just don't deal with simple things, that's why). It's very hard to
overlook the most obvious connection between chocolate, cheese, wine etc.
and PD - the dopamine metabolic pathway. These foods potently increase
dopamine levels. The dopamine metabolic pathway in PD contributes to the
spoilage of DA neurons. Increasing dopamine metabolism in PD equals faster
neuronal death.

The same parkinson's-trigger label has been placed on aspartam (nutrasweet).
A simple case here, too: from aspartam we get PA, from PA we get DA. As
aspartam increases dopamine metabolism, it also contributes to PD (in case
you have it). But that doesn't mean it causes it.

PD causes itself. There is no risk of getting it. People don't get PD, they
are born with it. Healthy individuals can aquire PD-like symptoms and
neuronal damage by exposure to certain toxic substances (some heavy metals,
drugs, chemicals etc.). But even if they try hard, they won't get it just
from eating candy bars. The only RISK for them is that they have yet
undiagnosed PD (which is the case for about 99.99% PD-patients before they
develop parkinsonian symptoms - and that occures at a very late stage of the
disease).

Conclusion: chocolate causes physicians to diagnose PD more accurately,
because patient's hands become shaking earlier in chocolate eaters than in
chocolate abstinents.

[PD=Parkinson's Disease, DA=dopamine, PA=phenylalanine]

P.S. I think it's a bit dissapointing that eating IQs doesn't cause IQ to
rise ;-) I bet they hoped it would...

Bye,
--
kacper

[Shepard]

i think if chocolate WAS neurotoxic, about half of the female population in this country would be dead.

What about just crazy.....then I would completely buy into the argument.

[ajnast4r]

i think if chocolate WAS neurotoxic, about half of the female population in this country would be dead.

What about just crazy.....then I would completely buy into the argument.

you may have struck gold

[guyledouche]

Is chocamine better than caffeine?

Edited by guyledouche, 14 March 2006 - 05:58 AM.