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[hallucinogen]

1) X-Factor
http://www.molecular...et/X_factor.htm
http://www.1fast400....roducts_id=2260

2) And Finigenx Magnum
http://www.pharmagen...6d7c898cada08d0
http://www.pharmagen...finigenx240.gif
http://store.vitamin...9/finigenx.html

"FiniGenX Magnum contains 25 mg per 6 ml of Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione microencapsulated in a liposome delivery system (Patent Pending), which increases the bodies' lymphatic absorption of the pro-steroid. Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione is a powerful pro-steroid chemically similar to the anabolic agent Trenbolone. The Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione molecule is literally the closest thing to Trenbolone on the market. Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione can easily be converted to Trenbolone through organic chemical reactions. Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione is very similar in structure to Trenbolone and will have similar binding affinity for Trenbolone receptor cites. Trenbolone is a steroid having the advantages of undergoing no adverse metabolism, not being affected by aromatase or 5alpha-reductase; being a very potent Class I steroid binding well to the androgen receptor and having a short half-life."

[ajnast4r]

uhhh

X-Factor™ is the patented bio-chemical - arachidonic acid.

Arachidonic acid is the fatty acid precursor for the pro-inflammatory Series 2 Eicosanoids. The Series 2 Eicosanoids also increase pain, depress immune responses, and promote vasoconstriction, platelet aggregation and cell proliferation

The following is a list of things to minimize the intake of while taking X-Factor™:

Pain medications containing acetaminophen, Ibuprofen, or Aspirin
NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs)
Omega 3 fatty acids
Flax and Fish oil supplements
N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC)
Conjugated Linoleic Acid (CLA)
Avoid the regular consumption of foods known to be high in omega 3 fatty acids or anti-inflammatory nutrients, such as cold-water fish, peanut butter, and sesame, olive or peanut oils.

minimize omega-3? no thanks...

i would stay WAY away from that stuff personally... in fact i think most of those "body building" supplements favor muscle gains over health. not imo, what anyone interested in life extention or improvment should be using.

[meatwad]

Exactly ajnastr -- I am understanding that this is a pill that will _CAUSE_ inflammation, leading to muscle growth. If you want muscle growth inflammation is a must, but in the long run it is counter productive for life extension.

If you are trying to build muscle I have read that inflammation and insulin spikes are what you should be striving for. However inflammation will not be localized, so you will be causing extra work for your heart and brain.

X-factor should have a skull and crossbones across it. If you want to grow muscle a few tablespoons of sugar before and after a workout will give you an insulin spike and only cost you a few pennies.

[Shepard]

While I'm not necessarily against X-Factor for breaching a plateau, I wouldn't use it just to speed up normal gains. As long as you realize that you will be in pain all day long while you're on it, go ahead. I'm not really a fan of whole-body inflammation, so I'd rather play around with my diet/training. I don't necessarily think it would hurt you from a longevity standpoint to go through two bottles of X-Factor, I just certainly wouldn't do it often.

Insulin spike isn't really needed for muscle gains....now on the cortisol issue, that is still debatable on which is preferable.

[biknut]

I've found that an arginine product called nox3 made by universal works well to increase muscle mass for me.

What's the opinion about if it does any harm?

[Shepard]

I've found that an arginine product called nox3 made by universal works well to increase muscle mass for me.

What's the opinion about if it does any harm?

An arginine product that actually works? What's that about? Are you sure it isn't just the increased "pump" and vascularity that makes you think it is increasing muscle mass?

There are some downsides with increased NO production, but as long as you are supplementing with various antioxidants, you should be okay.

[biknut]

Thanks shepard, I do get a great pump with this product. It does seem to make it easy to increase muscle mass. According to information on the bottle, they claim that more blood flow to the muscle = faster recovery time and increased muscle mass and endurance. Based on my experience I can't argue.

hallucinogen, If you are trying to increase muscle mass I recomend this product.
It can be found online for about $24 a bottle.

I also like to take it before bed to increase hgh production.

[xanadu]

If rapidly building muscle is worth giving up some of your health, then fine. Just be aware that there is a trade off. It reminds me of ladies in the old days who used cosmetics containing mercury and lead to look better.

[timmusi]

hallucinogen - I am currently in my 6th week of using X-factor. My impressions so far are positive.
About the second week the inflamatory properties hit hard. I was had extreme DOMS, even from running.
That side effect has curtailed and I now still get more sore than normal. I have not noticed any strength
gains but my muscles feel fuller. On the downside, I had to stop taking a lot of supps that had anti-inflamatory
properties. A cycle of X-factor is 7 weeks. At this point I don't know if I'd do it again. If interested I can give more details.

Thanks, Tim

[syr_]

FinigenX is a novel chemical (its out for more then a year though) that is not too far from trenbolone. They use a sublingual delivery. Results have been good, but of course is not to be taken as a "supplement".

[hallucinogen]

After careful consideration, I will not go anywhere near X-Factor:p I always try for the extension of lifespan and building muscles go hand-in-hand together, even though sometimes it gets really confusing and hard:p For example, there is no way you can restrict your calories when you're bulking...etc.
But, of course, FinigenX is not a supplement, but there has been quite a bit of positive feedback about it, and I will most likely try 1 bottle to see how well it works.

I have tried NOX3 before, even though I haven't noticed any good results from it, but I might have had a bad/expired batch, and the tabs tasted extremely BITTER, and they crumbled to dust if were left in open air for a few days. I haven't been on NOX3 for long though, it might work somewhat... maybe because of the new batches, I'm not sure.

But I also use Nitrix and Citrulline Malate, and Nitrix works great from what I can tell (Citrulline Malate always works, of course). But recently I started to seriously doubt the prolonged increase of nitric oxide production, so I cycle it off quite often, partly because I work-out in the evening and it is really hard to sleep when you're all pumped up the whole night, for it is hard to breathe properly trough the nose, especially when you sleep on your stomach:p

You have to cycle it off to let the body balance out the normal production and repair the damage.

[syr_]

But, of course, FinigenX is not a supplement, but there has been quite a bit of positive feedback about it, and I will most likely try 1 bottle to see how well it works.

Then you will likely do proper PCT :D
I've seen your nickname somewhere else... avant maybe, i'm pretty sure u know ur stuff