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[tracer]

Hi all...

I have started to experience a bit of tiredness and forgetfulness recently...

I'm on a pretty heavy stack of nootropics now: (in mg)

Piracetam 3000
Aniracetam 1000
Oxiracetam 1000
Idebenone 150
Alpha GPC 1000

Taurine 4000
Creatine 4000

ALCAR 3000
K-R-Alpha Lipolic Acid 300
ALA 500
Chocamine 1000

The Alpha GPC is only 50% pure... is this enough for the Racetams that I am taking? Should I cut back on the Ideb? This morning I took 5g choline citrate in water (damn that stuff is sour) in addition to the stuff above and I feel a lot better. Is there anything else I should add? Huperzine-A??

Edited by tracer, 16 February 2006 - 06:53 AM.

[REGIMEN]

Uh...you already posted this *exact* topic about 3 hours earlier.

Didn't like my reply? :(

[FunkOdyssey]

Uh...you already posted this *exact* topic about 3 hours earlier.

The racetams made him forget. Quick, get this man some choline before he posts the topic a third time!

[ajnast4r]

i dont understand this:

K-R-Alpha Lipolic Acid 300 4.5
ALA 500 7.5

youre taking krala 300mg, 4 times a day... and ala 500mg 7 times? 1000mg chocamine 15 times a day? etc etc

[catshmat]

i dont think so... "taurine 4000 60"...

[exigentsky]

I have one question for you. How the fudge did you come up with those huge doses?

[tracer]

Okay... two things...

First, the double post was because I was on a slow connection that didn't process my first post request (it timed out). I then reposted a few hours later when the network had sorted itself out.

Second, for the mathematicians, you will notice that the second number is 15 timest the first number... this is my 15 day batch quantity (which I use for mixing). I accidentally incuded an extra column from my spreadsheet.

[tracer]

Now... for the meat of the thing...

The extra ALCAR+Chocamine is for fat-loss more than anything else. I am a powerlifter in my spare time and I am trying to move down a weight division without losing strength and muscle. The Creatine goes along with that, but it also has nootropic benefits.

The "ALA" that I take is a mix of K-R-ALA and ordinary ALA that I had lying around.

I think I have this figured out though...

My sleep rhythyms are disturbed. Between the stimulants (I do either Salbutamol or Ephedra sometimes, in addition to coffee and Chocamine), too many nocturnal events (it's either work or play) and the 200% thing.

For the last couple of days I have cut down my working hours and done some melatonin and ZMA before bed. Works quite well. Possibly points to low-grade a Zinc/Mag deficiency. Going to take an epsom salts bath soon, to see if that has any benefits.

Anyway, I'm cutting back to abut 150%, and lowering my doses. Still doing the 5g of choline citrate in the mornings.

Edited by tracer, 16 February 2006 - 07:14 AM.

[vortexentity]

I can not understand the triple up on the racetams. Find the one that works best for you and stick with it. I do not think you will find a benifit from taking 3 of them at once. They are all enzyme dependant in their action and will consume rate limited enzymes very quickly. For instance the action of Oxiracetam pretty much overshadows all the rest of them, Stick to one I say and do not over stimulate on so much by taking the max dose of all three.

Sore neck can be from too much PC in the system. It is likely being over produced. Also your serotonin will drop when your racetams are over maxxed Try taking about 10 to 20 MG of 5-HTP in the evenings.

[hiredavidrnow]

Why not try a little of deprenyl while your at it... Just be cautious. For me, I realized that it was causing me anxiety... So, I'm taking a break from everything for a couple of weeks.

I found that when I took choline with my stack of Aniracetam (1500mg), Deprenyl (5mg), and about 10 grams of Lecithan granules, ALCAR, (and a few other things) that my memory certainly improved.

I think that the Liquid idebenone is totally awesome, and the above supplements make a real difference. Just do not forget to take a variety of B vitamins and of course Vit C with minerals.

I could go into allot more detail, but I think this is sufficient.

peace [glasses] [thumb]

Hi all...

I have started to experience a bit of tiredness and forgetfulness recently...

I'm on a pretty heavy stack of nootropics now: (in mg)

Piracetam 3000
Aniracetam 1000
Oxiracetam 1000
Idebenone 150
Alpha GPC 1000

Taurine 4000
Creatine 4000

ALCAR 3000
K-R-Alpha Lipolic Acid 300
ALA 500
Chocamine 1000

The Alpha GPC is only 50% pure... is this enough for the Racetams that I am taking?  Should I cut back on the Ideb?  This morning I took 5g choline citrate in water (damn that stuff is sour) in addition to the stuff above and I feel a lot better.  Is there anything else I should add?  Huperzine-A??

[goedikey]

Cut down on the dose man.

Plus Piracetam makes you sleepy for sure.

I am solely using Ani and its great !

[tracer]

I can not understand the triple up on the racetams. Find the one that works best for you and stick with it. I do not think you will find a benifit from taking 3 of them at once. They are all enzyme dependant in their action and will consume rate limited enzymes very quickly.  For instance the action of Oxiracetam pretty much overshadows all the rest of them, Stick to one I say and do not over stimulate on so much by taking the max dose of all three.

Sore neck can be from too much PC in the system. It is likely being over produced. Also your serotonin will drop when your racetams are over maxxed Try taking about 10 to 20 MG of 5-HTP in the evenings.

Well, opinions are divided on whether there is a benefit to stacking different racetams... thanks for the input though.

If it's all the same, I'd just as soon skip the 5-HTP.

[tracer]

Cut down on the dose man.

Plus Piracetam makes you sleepy for sure.

I am solely using Ani and its great !

Well, I have lots of bulk racetams lying around... going to try just Ani and just Oxi as an experiment... but only when the lat batch I capped is finished.

[gcurrie]

I was taking a lot a racetams (p and a) and feeling very sleepy in the evenings. I dropped the daily dosages down a little bit and feel better.

I am one that likes using both piracetam and aniracetam. Each has a somewhat different effect, and I like them in combination.

Also, have you tried vinpocetine for memory and clarity? It really helps me. I've been blessed with a sharp memory most of my life, and when it started getting a little fuzzy (brain fog etc.) vinpocetine made a distinct difference.

[tracer]

Thanks gcurrie... I will be adding vinpo to my next purchase... LiOr, Vinpo, Galantamine, Hup-A... anything else?

[gcurrie]

The vinpocetine you will probably notice fairly quickly, if at all. I take 50 mg per day, but many people find 30 mg plenty. I always take it with food. In fact, most of my nootropics I take with food. (Almost every new thing I have added has given me slight nausea, indigestion or slight intestinal discomfort for the first few days - I must have a sensitive digestive system.)

When I first tried huperzine, I didn't notice anything. I finished the bottle and chalked it up to experience. However, I noticed my recall time lengthening a bit some time after stopping.

As always, it's best to add each of these one by one. Give it a week (or better two) to see if you can discern the effects. If you don't notice anything, or notice something negative, there's no shame in removing it from your stack. Better to get the right combination than to just keep adding blindly.

[karenet]

well stop taking 5 htp and idebenone for a few days and see how it goes. Idebenone makes me forgetful for some reason.

[tracer]

I'm not on 5HTP. I will be trying without the Ideb... just to see what that does...

[simple]

My wife takes 5HTP as an option for stress, have not yet seen any difference. She still as grouchy as ever :(

[karenet]

too much chemicals will overload your liver. This might be one of the causes that makes you feel tired. I think most nootropics' effectiveness also depends on healthy adrenal and thyroid condition. cut all of your stacks for a few days. sleep well and exercise well and then slowly add back your supplements one by one at a lower dosage might help.

[tracer]

Everything we eat or drink is a chemical. It depends on whether it's hepatotoxic or not.

I am fine, I have gotten to the root of the problem - my sleep rhythms were just disturbed. The noots are working fine now, whether I dose high (Mon,Tue, Thur, Fri) or dose low (Wed, Sat, Sun).

A couple of melatonin pills, some ZMA and some epsom salts bath combined with a weekend's worth of goos sleep solved the problem.

Now could everyone stop giving me advice. All I wanted to know was whether or not I was getting enough Choline, and how to recognise the symptoms of under/over-dosage. While I appreciate the people who are trying to help... the problem is solved. I am fine. My doses are fine. No more help please.