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[guyledouche]

I recently read my SAD and ADD could be because of Zinc deficiancy or Magnesium deficiancy. Is this true? How much does it cost to get my blood tested for these deficiancies? Just to let you know how serious my SAD is, I am 23 and Ive never even had a girlfreind. Im a fairly attractive guy but I cant stand being around people or touching people. Please help me guys. You guys have lots of great wisdom that I could use. What should I do?????

Edited by guyledouche, 17 February 2006 - 02:54 AM.

[simple]

Buy a bottle of Milk of Magnesium and Zinc, supplement daily, see what happens, whatch out for the runs with the magnesium

[mitkat]

Guy, where do you live where your SAD is that bad for so long? I'm just curious. Do you feel maybe that there are greater issues at work than something that can be solved with a pill, if social or intimate situations are so difficult? If you can't stand people or touching people, I don't know if nootropics should be your first bet.

Do you currently take any medications/supplements of any kind?

[simple]

Let it go , MITKAT, he cant be real !!

[FunkOdyssey]

I recently read my SAD and ADD could be because of Zinc deficiancy or Magnesium deficiancy. Is this true? How much does it cost to get my blood tested for these deficiancies? Just to let you know how serious my SAD is, I am 23 and Ive never even had a girlfreind. Im a fairly attractive guy but I cant stand being around people or touching people. Please help me guys. You guys have lots of great wisdom that I could use. What should I do?????

LOL

[johnmk]

My suggestion is that we move this post to the nootropics forum, await contribution from LifeMirage and others more knowledgeable, and that you seek out psychiatric care.

[simple]

I'll second that

[Shepard]

I suggest a condom, a six pack of Guinness, and a prostitute.

[Pointdexter]

I know exactly what you mean, for I used to have SAD on a really bad level (I still have it, but it’s not as intense). The thing that I did was see a psychiatrist and was prescribed to take Zoloft - 25mg first week, 50mg next two weeks, and 100mg after that (forgot how long that lasted). When I was on the 100mg, I one day experienced about a minute of my life where I felt that I could do anything to anyone. I don’t know if this is a regular feeling for the normies, but I do know that that was one of the strangest feelings that I have ever felt. I will tell you one thing though; that if normal people experience that feeling all the time…damn…then they not only receive everything on it, but they live on the silver platter.

Yeah, no one should have to live with that crap - you probably get really nervous when your doorbell rings too, don’t you? Anyways, see a psychiatrist - he/she might give you Zoloft - it will take time for it to start working (~2-3 weeks for me), and your SAD should drop in intensity (not cured) permanently (it did for me). As for getting a girlfriend, you should probably try it in that one minute of clarity…ha…but in that state, you’ll definitely succeed - you just have to worry about it when it fades away…heh heh. Warning: I experienced intense sleep disorders and personality shifts, that is, I received a certain mentality several times where I almost started fights when random people were to give me a slightly mean look - I didn’t have a care in the world if I were to end up killing them (I had no sense of morality at all, and I believe this to be a serial killers normal mindset).

Cheer up - the moment that you accept that this is who you are, you will start to feel a lot better - trust me. No medicine is goanna do that - it’s all up to you. The moment that you accept the fact that you were dealt a shitty hand in life (like me), that’s when you can start working for a better one, my friend.

[mitkat]

simple said: Let it go , MITKAT, he cant be real !!

Haha! Oh man, sheeeeeeet. I had a glimmer of hope, okay? [lol]

[simple]

Guyledouche, go tj get l--d a few times, your perspective of the world will change once you see the girls like bambi on ice, if you catch my drift Still if you consider yourdself a fair attractive men, I wouldnt want to be touch by you .

PHOTON: what you describe is not A MENTAL PROBLEM but the effects of thew shit you were taking, (aggresivness, piss off for no reason, ) I seen most of what you claim on amphtamine users (crystal smokers)

[ajnast4r]

get a good multi vitamin/mineral, clean up your diet, exercise every day, get 8 hours of sleep....as these are the FOUNDATION of a healthy lifestyle.

also see a psychologist(one who is nutritionally minded...someone who knows about the effects of vitamins, sleep diet, etc on your mental state... not one thats gonna throw you on an SSRI after the 1st visit)... what you are describing sounds like a psychological problem, which are not always based in physical disfunctions.

[guyledouche]

Actually, to all of you who think Im joking, you are wrong. ^Mitkat, i live in Atlanta Georgia and no i dont currently take any supplements on a daily basis. I occasionally take l-theanine and caffeine as it is the only thing that has ever worked for my SAD. ^ajnast4r, i really like your advice, thanx dude.

[ajnast4r]

a nice big cup of good quality green tea works WONDER to lift the mood and increase consentration(as per your other post)... you get the stim of the caffeine minus the anxiety (due to the theanine in the green tea)

you can get THIS multi vitamin HERE for less than 20 bucks/2months supply (60 tablets, iron free). i take it... great company/quality/product/price. multi is extremely important before working on any problems to completely remove the posibility of a nutritional deficiancy.

sleep is important too, 7-8 hours min per night. turn off or dim the lights 2 hours before bedtime + a glass of warmed milk(to ensure tryptophan supply & melatonin production). meditation before bed will increase the depth of your sleep, and reading before bed will also help you fall and stay asleep. no caffeine (including green tea) after 5pm(asuming ur going to bed at 11-12).

keep your diet clean. no fried foods, no refined carbs(white sugar, white flour, white rice), lots of veggies, lots of fruits, nothing with more chemicals than recognisable ingredients.

20-40 minutes cardio(run, job, bike, swim, martial arts, anything that get the heart pumping) a few nights a week will have a nice effect on sleep, mood, and focus.

[xanadu]

More hours a day of light is said to help sad victims. St john's herb is good as are a few other things. Don't mean to downplay the diet, excercise and vites/supplements. Those are good too.

[guyledouche]

ajnast, i like those guidelines. I think I might also have blood sugar problems cause i sometimes go as much as 8 hours without eating during the day when im at work or something(i usually eat 3 meals a day). Are there any tips for keeping my blood sugar more stable during the day???????

[ajnast4r]

ajnast, i like those guidelines. I think I might also have blood sugar problems cause i sometimes go as much as 8 hours without eating during the day when im at work or something(i usually eat 3 meals a day). Are there any tips for keeping my blood sugar more stable during the day???????

multivitamin

complex carbohydrates & little/no simple carbs ESPECIALLY not on an empty stomach

protein, particularly whey protein

[simple]

Watch out, going with out appetite or not being able to eat for a shift ?

I often go with one meal a day, my awake hours are 6am to 24:00 (two full times)
one to two meals a day, not hungry, but I supplement a lot.

[guyledouche]

^that sounds kinda rough on your body. What are your meals and supplements like?

[simple]

SDupplements and I do take them in alternated groups with one brake off in between :
Indium Sulfate (every couple of days on 1 day off)
B-150 Generic (one caplet 1-2 a week, generic)
Selegiline (2-3 a weeK, mainly for antiaging properties)
Vinpocetine 2 20mg a day every two days 1-2 days off)
Phosphatydilserine, (2caplets every day, generic)
By generic, I mean Walmart, stuff.
Im 44 years white male , my mental attitude and stamina are constant, Im a smoker,( I enjoy it ), no cholesterol, no high blood press, I very much eat anything when I have the time, everything works better than average (body wise),
spend my free time with my kids, park, ocean, camping (5 & 6 yrs old), I do get tired , mostly lack of sleep, I have been doing this for over 2 1/2 years, but no one would know or guess my age based on my activities, I enjoy clearness of mind and thougth, my hair and skin are very clean, not dry, rarely get sick, rarely, if I do it last for one or two days and I am back, never take off or call sick to work, my kids and wife (33) gets cold or flu very strong once in a while, I dont.

I dont have time to work out or gym, but I keep up , I weight 200lbs and Im stocky, 5'11, nigth time I study electronics and go to school evenings, the days Im half day off.(twice during week days), I see most of the people my age and they look old ands think like wise, enjoy literature and music The killers, gorillas, coldplay, etc .

Life is great, but 4 years ago, you wouldnt have given a penny for me

[guyledouche]

Not bad. As long as your happy. It sounds like its workin for ya. I get really mean when I dont eat 3 meals a day so I kinda have to be more strict than you. Coldplay rules. I have an unopened bottle of Vinpocetine that I havent gotten around to trying yet. Can you feel its effects? Is it good? Some say yes, and some say no. I prefer to take things that make me feel stimulated or relaxed, not just things to make me smart.

[simple]

Let me tell you that the first thing I started with was two pills of B-150, (notice, not B-50, but B-150, $6 dollars at walmart) for the first week I was falling sleep everywere, (your system starts to shutdown in order to repair itself) by the second week I was ready to dump the stupid bottle, then it hit me, once my body had absorbed the adequayte levels of B complex, I was stounded for the amounts of energy and drive that I had, then I began supplementing with Indium sulfate, that got me the drive that I needed to accomplish my tasks, I continued taking the Indium because of the clarity of thinking and the deep sleep, (lees hours, but deeper sleep), then went back to school and tryed other types of nootropics, I take Vinpo together with L-serine, the agresivness that you feel for the lack of food is actually a mild lack of Iron in your system, most likely you also feel headaches, when you go without food for a while ,m thats also the lack of Iron, same thing happen to girls when in their period, irritable, grouchy headaches, is lack of Iron.

[simple]

with Vinpo you do get clarity of thougth, but I do not take anymore than 20 mg, I ve tried higher dosage but got headaches, I have not noticed physicall stimulation from Vimpo, but more awareness, (could also be the mixture with L-serine), as I have mentioned on past posts, lots have to do with your own phisiological needs, some people swear by it, some others dont, I have to insist on Indium, it acts as a chemical transporter, you will absorb more of wathever you take in to your organism, explore, try and be aware of your own changes, I have also tried mixing powder nootropics with DMSO, must say the results were interesting (dont care too much for the aroma do.)

[guyledouche]

hmm, interesting. I do like clarity of thought, so I suppose I should give the Vinpo a shot. I dont get headaches very often actually. I just get a little meaner and negative thoughts start setting in. Ive noticed that what a lot of people say about Rhodiola sounds very similar to the Bcomplex. They say they are more energized and their stress is more manageable. I might try Rhodiola also.

Edited by guyledouche, 25 March 2006 - 05:13 AM.

[simple]

I have not tried Rhodiola just yet, just make sure it has at least 2% rosavin, there are so many products in the market, it is hard to keep track of everything, some are counterproducing, some sinergistic. You can not use rhodiola for people with bi-polar disorder, but B-150 is OK, any one else with experience in Rhodiola?

[smolhouse]

I have been taking rhodiola(250 mg, 3% rosavins, 1% salidrodise) once a day when i wake up for about 2 months and i have been pretty happy with the results. I am a junior in an engineering major and often get very stressed out and extremely irritable. It has improved my sense of well being, but specifically it has numbed the intense irritability i often feel throughout the day and i have noticed it reduces the crippling affects of emotional stress. I also take take 100mg of l-theanine with it and the two work well to produce a relaxed state that has had a noticable improvement on my irritablity, anxiety and attention span.

I have also been taking fish oil(1000 mg, 400 epa, 200 dha) for over a year and the results from that on my mood, anxiety, and memory have been pretty worth while.

[REGIMEN]

It's good to see everyone here getting along so well now...

[guyledouche]

I have been taking rhodiola(250 mg, 3% rosavins, 1% salidrodise) once a day when i wake up for about 2 months and i have been pretty happy with the results.  I am a junior in an engineering major and often get very stressed out and extremely irritable.  It has improved my sense of well being, but specifically it has numbed the intense irritability i often feel throughout the day and i have noticed it reduces the crippling affects of emotional stress.  I also take take 100mg of l-theanine with it and the two work well to produce a relaxed state that  has had a noticable improvement on my irritablity, anxiety and attention span. 

I have also been taking fish oil(1000 mg, 400 epa, 200 dha) for over a year and the results from that on my mood, anxiety, and memory have been pretty worth while.

Wow, if the Rhodiola works that well then Im gonna get some pretty soon. Ive heard great things about it. I recently started using Fish oil as well and I can already notice a change in my mood and concentration. Its amazing how much a dietary supplement can help your mood. Fish oil makes me feel like Im on a constant high. Not a drugged high but a relaxed sense of well being kind of high. I love it. Ohhhhh and btw, did the Rhodiola give you more energy and endurance? Some people have claimed this and I would love to have that happen cause I need more endurance.