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[ajnast4r]

seems like all nootropics are synthetic or completely xenobiotic... are there any naturally occuring noots?

the only ones i could come across were galantamine & hup-A, both of which i do not beleive are acceptable for daily/long term use in healthy young people because they inhibit acetylcholinesterase...

[xanadu]

Bacopa

[LifeMirage]

Naturally occuring without any chemical changes:
Alpha GPC
Vincamine
CDP-Choline
Huperzine A
Galantamine
Vasopressin

Made/based from natural compounds but does not occur naturally:
Vinpocetine
Pyritinol
Idebenone
Piracetam
Deprenyl
Picamilon
Centrophenoxine

Many nootropics are modified vitamin compounds with a remarkable degree of safety.

[ajnast4r]

thanks for the list

vincamine is what vinpocetine is made from right? what is the difference & how do they fair against one another?

[FunkOdyssey]

That's a great question, worthy of a...

*bump*

[LifeMirage]

Vincamine half-life is about 9 hours, while vinpocetine's is 2 and a half. Vincamine has been studied and shown effective in treating dementia, vinpocetine has not.

[dimjimm]

IIRC Hydergine and Nicergoline were isolated from some sort of fungus.

[mitkat]

I believe hydergine, nicergoline and possibly bromo are all synthesized from the infamous ergot fungus.

[simple]

LIFEMIRAGE, so what would be the ideal Vinpocetine amount that you have to take to have an effect? and how often ?

[LifeMirage]

LIFEMIRAGE, so what would be the ideal Vinpocetine amount that you have to take to have an effect? and how often ?

If no other cerebral vasodilators were taken I would recommend 20-40 mg daily with meals taken in at least 2 doses. Although you may use a 20-40 mg dose at once to increase the chance of seeing an immediate effect.

[FunkOdyssey]

Why would you want to take vinpocetine if vincamine can do the same thing with a half-life of nine (!!!) hours? Does vinpo have some wonder effects that vincamine can't produce? Also, what dosage would you recommend if vincamine was the only vasodilator used?

[Shepard]

From my understanding, vincamine is a more powerful mental stimulant, but vinpocetine increase CBF more.

[LifeMirage]

Correct