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[taktikz]

First time user of any Nootropic. I started using Piracetam and Choline Citrate today and will keep a log for 4 weeks here. Updated Daily.
--DAY 1--
-Dosage-
Piracetam: 2820mg
Choline Citrate: 640mg

Effects: Been feeling a little relaxed... Upon second dose of piracetam i started getting hot for some reason.

Will be updated tommorow or as needed.

Edited by taktikz, 02 March 2006 - 09:14 PM.

[taktikz]

Day 2
Update: Upped the Dosage 3x the amount of yesterday to try and use that "attack dose" for today and tommorow
1st
-Dosage-
Piracetam: 10:30am
-2820mg
Choline Citrate: 10:30am
-640mg

Effects: 20min later felt kind of euphoric(maybe placebo effect) Was zoned out in a way, as if i were concentrated on something but not anything specific.

2nd
-Doseage-
Piracetam: 2:30pm
-2820mg

Effects: Feel the same as before, No Effects felt


3rd
-Doseage-
Piracetam: 9:30pm
-2820mg

Effects: Felt real tired for some reason, noticed aggresiveness....

Edited by taktikz, 03 March 2006 - 04:37 AM.

[taktikz]

Day 3
1st
-Doseage-
Piracetam: 7:30pm
-2820mg

Effects: Nothing whatsoever

Note: brang it down to 2.8 for the following 3-4 weeks.

[ergosum]

Just a suggestion, try undertaking a task for which piracetam is reputed to be beneficial -- eg. writing, speaking/conversing, listening to or playing music -- and try and detect whether you notice anything different to normal. I don't think many people report "feeling" the effects of piracetam with regards to their mood and so forth.

[iain57]

I started Piracetam 2 weeks ago, energy level went up. Started taking lecthin Wed. was getting a small headache. Agree with "ergosum" about "mood" but I find if my energy level is up my mood is better. The things I have noticed, I get up better in the morning,
I get projects done and the best thing so far is I just feel better over all.

[drmz]

I think you will need to extend the logging period to 12 weeks. 4 weeks is a bit short to notice any effects....(besides eventual side effects )

[taktikz]

Day 4
Piracetam
Dose: 1880mg 10:30AM
Choline Citrate
Dose: 640mg
Day 5(Sunday)
Piracetam
Dose: 2820mg 12:00AM
Choline Citrate
Dose: 640mg

Overall Notice: When speaking I am noticing I am speaking a lot easier with a lot more thought put into my words... For some reason I havent been in the mood to produce music as I was before starting Piracetam. I'm still wondering what effect its having on my wanting to make music

Edited by taktikz, 06 March 2006 - 05:38 PM.

[taktikz]

What is the half life for piracetam? That way i would know if it would be beneficial to seperate doses
On one website the Half Life is 5 hours and on another it is 8 hours...

So far i've mainly only been taking one high dose in the morning....

Edited by taktikz, 06 March 2006 - 05:37 PM.

[taktikz]

Day 6
Piracetam
Dose: 2820mg 10:30AM
Choline Citrate
Dose: 640mg

[taktikz]

Day 7
Piraceteam
Dose: 2820mg 10:30AM
Choline Citrate
Dose:640mg

Effects: Got a mild headache 4 hours later....
I think 2.8 grams isnt enough for noticeable effects... On one website i saw that 75mg/kilo of bodyweight was needed....

[ergosum]

Day 4
Overall Notice: When speaking I am noticing I am speaking a lot easier with a lot more thought put into my words... For some reason I havent been in the mood to produce music as I was before starting Piracetam.  I'm still wondering what effect its having on my wanting to make music

I haven't read anything to suggest that Piracetam has an effect on motivation. Your mood regarding music is probably co-incidental. You could, however, use your curiosity to evaluate piracetam's effects as self-motivation!

[taktikz]

Day 8
Piraceteam
Dose: 2820mg 10:30AM
Choline Citrate
Dose:640mg


Day 9
Piraceteam
Dose: 2820mg 10:30AM
Choline Citrate
Dose:640mg


Day 10
Piraceteam
Dose: 2820mg 10:30AM
Choline Citrate
Dose:640mg


Day 11
Piraceteam
Dose: 2820mg 10:30AM
Choline Citrate
Dose:640mg


Day 12
Piraceteam
Dose: 2820mg 10:30AM
Choline Citrate
Dose:640mg


Day 13
Piraceteam
Dose: 2820mg 10:30AM
Choline Citrate
Dose:640mg


Noticed effects: I have gotten a lot more creative and much better at my music production.... I notice I can speak my mind a lot easier... Will try to up dose 5640mg daily.... sometimes get headaches though

[jubai]

Headhaches are because of insufficient Choline intake.

Choline citrate is not a very good source of Choline, my friend. You are throttling the true power of Piracetam with this regimen, and upping your dosage of Piracetam will give you worst headaches.

I highly suggest you take a break now and order some Alpha-GPC + B50 vitamin. Take 500mg GPC, with a B50 (or half a B50) + 1.2g of Piracetam, twice a day, and you will get much better results

[FunkOdyssey]

I hope you meant 500mg GPC in total for the day -- 500mg Alpha GPC 2x daily would definitely be excessive.

[drmz]

I hope you meant 500mg GPC in total for the day -- 500mg Alpha GPC 2x daily would definitely be excessive.

funkodyssey, is it better to lower the Alpha-GPC dose when using ALCAR as well ?

[FunkOdyssey]

I don't think ALCAR would boost acetylcholine production enough to necessitate a reduction of your Alpha-GPC dose. Don't take my word for it though.

[jubai]

I hope you meant 500mg GPC in total for the day -- 500mg Alpha GPC 2x daily would definitely be excessive.

Are we talking about the actual powder or the GPC content?

From here

http://www.1fast400....gredients_id=12

"One gram a day is the recommended dosage,"

This is what I do, without any problems.

However a gram of Alpha-GPC powder, which is usually at 50% concentration GPC, would come to 500mg actual GPC indeed.

500mg->250mg a day would be too low in my opinion.

[taktikz]

So what is this choline citrate good for??

Day 14
Piraceteam
Dose: 2820mg 10:30AM
Choline Citrate
Dose:640mg


Day 15
Piraceteam
Dose: 2820mg 10:30AM
Choline Citrate
Dose:640mg
Day 15

[jubai]

It is a source of choline, necessary when using nootropics, but not as efficient as Alpha-GPC.

Take a look at this article (I am not affiliated with 1fast400)

http://www.bulknutri...gredients_id=12


"Alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine is the most bioavailable form of choline, and also has some mild nootropic effects."

Which has been my personal experience, too.

[taktikz]

I stopped taking it bc you said it wasn't going to help with piracetam... maybe taking more choline citrate will help? until i can get alpha gpc?