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[jaydfox]

I see you are still deep in denial and never plan to admit you were wrong about anything to do with the LM affair.

Quite the contrary, when proof comes forward that can clear up what roles Lee, Edward, Steve, and others had in the LifeMirage persona, then perhaps we can finally set these issues to rest. For now, all we have are attempts by LifeMirage (whoever they are) to clear their name, supported by other people making attempts to paint leadership as malicious. But no proof.

They could fly in the president of the school he graduated from and you would call him an imposter and his credentials forgeries. Your minds aren't just made up, they are set in concrete.

Whose mind is made up? I've already as much as admitted that Lee Crost probably has an M.D. I'm not denying it. You've already made up your mind that LifeMirage is Lee Crost. Your mind is the one set in concrete. Stop attributing to me things I have clearly not stated. If you persist, you only make yourself a liar.

[cellfighter]

Quite the contrary,  when proof comes forward that can clear up what roles Lee, Edward, Steve, and others had in the LifeMirage persona, then perhaps we can finally set these issues to rest. For now, all we have are attempts by LifeMirage (whoever they are) to clear their name, supported by other people making attempts to paint leadership as malicious. But no proof.

So you're saying you now don't have proof? It seems a few leaders are convinced by Adam Kamil claim that Ed is LifeMirage, yet other leaders mentioning Steve as a possibly. And of course Lee is 100% innocent because you claim you had a phone call with someone claiming to be Lee?

Did you tape it? I would love to hear it. No of course not if you had that kind of proof (the real kind) you surely would have shared it with everyone.

I called Sherwyn's this morning and spoke to Gail (claiming to be a store owner) and she gave me to Lee Crost (or at least he claimed to be Lee Crost) and he claims he is LifeMirage on Brainmeta and did at one time post here until he found out about the shady deals Bruce Klein was making with Adam Kamil.

He said when he complained a bunch of made up evidence was made (anyone could fake someone’s IP address) to incriminate him. And surprise surprise within a short period of time after LifeMirage leaves Adam Kamil returns taking over his role but this time as an unofficial advisor. Later one of the leaders even started working with Adam's ill fated nootropic company. I say ill fated because he stopped selling all his nootropics and after a while of selling bulk herbs called it quits, claiming it to be a conflict of interests. I’m sure we all believe that because Imminst says so!!

No. In fact many do not believe. And thus LifeMirage continues giving medical advice, accepting paid consultations on Brainmeta and even posting on Mind and Muscle. From what i heard they plan to make him an advisor there as well!!

To be clear, Xanadu: if there is evidence of any inappropriate conclusions having been drawn by ImmInst leadership we would have no issue revisiting this matter. However, it has been exhaustively investigated and LM was provided with extensive due process to clear the matter up. Had he at any time chosen to come clean, admit his mistakes and commit to not repeating them I'm sure leadership would not have suspended his account. He never once demonstrated any honorable intention and there was a period of hack attempts and contemptible personal attacks that coincided with his departure.

So you're saying you have proof of who LifeMirage is and thus have a appropriate conclusions? Isn’t it surprising that when both Adam Kamil and LifeMirage left Imminst was coincided with hack attempts and contemptible personal attacks. Yet somehow Adam Kamil’s departure showed honorable intention?

As I recall and no doubt the leaders remember he personally attacked Elrond and several other leaders on google groups, avant labs, mind and muscle, imminst (under many other names), and even started his own forum.

[jaydfox]

anyone could fake someone’s IP address

Yeah, and anyone can fake another person's fingerprints or DNA. Last I checked, those are still considered valid forms of evidence, despite the potential for being "faked". The fact alone that they can be faked is not reason to ignore them.

And how, pray tell, do you fake an IP address you don't have? This would imply a member of leadership from a web forum LifeMirage frequented. It wasn't a member of ImmInst's leadership, since we didn't even know where the IP's were stored until LifeMirage's behavior became so disruptive that we were forced to learn how our software stores IP's. (Bruce didn't even have the necessary password handy, and had to dig through old files to find it. Heh, not one of our finer moments...) For my part, I had to learn how to read apache logs. [mellow]

So what other forum are we talking about? Does LifeMirage have enemies at BrainMeta or Mind and Muscle? Or some other place he used to frequent, that I'm not aware of?

The IP's had lined up for months and months before any accusations were ever brought forward. Quite a bit of patience for someone trying to frame LM.

So you're saying you now don't have proof?

No, but you like to put words in my mouth.

We have proof that all three men had roles in the LifeMirage persona. What we don't have proof of is the exact nature of those roles, both in the past and in the present. Given that the three men had an apparent falling out over the way the fiasco unfolded back in March, I wouldn't at all be surprised that the roles have changed. But like I said, no one has brought me "proof".

Did you tape it? I would love to hear it.

Funny that: at least four people called and confirmed the same thing, some in leadership, some not. Sherwyn's number was posted publicly on their website. If you had a problem with the situation, you could have taken it upon yourself to phone up Sherwyn's, rather than wait eight months and then start griping about it. I decided to take the word of four respected members of this forum. Instead, you sit back idly and cast wild speculations and accusations.

[jaydfox]

Jay, this is getting comical. You attributed a quote cellfighter made to me and now you took a quote I made and attibuted it to cellfighter.

Gee, I wonder what on earth could have caused me to confuse the two of you...

[FunkOdyssey]

Personally if did an animal study with what i know I would probably win the MPrize.

That was truly a legendary blunder -- the kind of statement that is impossible to live down. Classic LM'ism.

[cellfighter]

So anyone call or e-mail Sherwyns?

[garethnelsonuk]

Yeah, and anyone can fake another person's fingerprints or DNA. Last I checked, those are still considered valid forms of evidence, despite the potential for being "faked". The fact alone that they can be faked is not reason to ignore them.

And how, pray tell, do you fake an IP address you don't have? This would imply a member of leadership from a web forum LifeMirage frequented. It wasn't a member of ImmInst's leadership, since we didn't even know where the IP's were stored until LifeMirage's behavior became so disruptive that we were forced to learn how our software stores IP's. (Bruce didn't even have the necessary password handy, and had to dig through old files to find it. Heh, not one of our finer moments...) For my part, I had to learn how to read apache logs. [mellow]

So what other forum are we talking about? Does LifeMirage have enemies at BrainMeta or Mind and Muscle? Or some other place he used to frequent, that I'm not aware of?

The IP's had lined up for months and months before any accusations were ever brought forward. Quite a bit of patience for someone trying to frame LM.

No, but you like to put words in my mouth.

We have proof that all three men had roles in the LifeMirage persona. What we don't have proof of is the exact nature of those roles, both in the past and in the present. Given that the three men had an apparent falling out over the way the fiasco unfolded back in March, I wouldn't at all be surprised that the roles have changed. But like I said, no one has brought me "proof".


Funny that: at least four people called and confirmed the same thing, some in leadership, some not. Sherwyn's number was posted publicly on their website. If you had a problem with the situation, you could have taken it upon yourself to phone up Sherwyn's, rather than wait eight months and then start griping about it. I decided to take the word of four respected members of this forum. Instead, you sit back idly and cast wild speculations and accusations.

Regarding "faking an IP address": In emails headers can be faked (as well as the From: address) and single packets can have a fake IP, not full TCP connections and forum posts. Though someone can edit a forum database to change the IP or even edit apache logs. By the way, most forums let you see the IP without needing to look at logs.

[jaydfox]

Regarding "faking an IP address": In emails headers can be faked (as well as the From: address) and single packets can have a fake IP, not full TCP connections and forum posts. Though someone can edit a forum database to change the IP or even edit apache logs. By the way, most forums let you see the IP without needing to look at logs.

Right, but short of accusing a member of ImmInst leadership of faking such data, I don't see the relevance to the case at hand. As for ImmInst leaders, none of us had the requisite knowledge to fake the information until after the investigation had already uncovered the IP matches linking LifeMirage to uniquenutrition as well as several other accounts used for viral marketing and/or malicious attacks. I was the one who uncovered the IP matches, and I was defending LifeMirage up until the point when their fraud was exposed by the phone calls to Sherwyn's. There was never a need to "fake" data, as there was plenty of real evidence already in place. So the only valid concern for faking data is if a non-leader was trying to frame LifeMirage. The most obvious candidates are his competitors, such as Adam Kamil.

However, short of having hacked into LifeMirage's computer, I don't think Adam was capable of faking all the IP matches we found, especially when uniquenutrition was clearly NOT Adam's account, and uniquenutrition had several IP's from multiple ISP's that matched those used by LifeMirage. So while there is a reasonable case to be made that Adam had the motive, I just don't see the opportunity.