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[mrak1979]

what is the best multivitamin product out there in terms of quality and price?

[FunkOdyssey]

In my opinion, the highest quality multivitamin product for the cheapest price is AOR Ortho-Core. I'm sure you'll get other answers to this question. Just remember that I'm right and they're wrong. [tung]

[Shepard]

Agreed.

[ajnast4r]

best comprehensive is AOR ortho-core

best basic is pioneer multi 1+

[mrak1979]

Sounds unanimous, but what do you think of generic multivitamins such as ones you can get at costco? How about LEF Daily Mix multivitamin?

thanks guys

[rfarris]

Same answer.

[ajnast4r]

generic multivitamins are as good as poison imo. full of food grade nutrients, often the least absorbable nutrient forms, and alot of unnecessary artificial colors & bingers.

LEF mix is ok.


answer still holds:

best comprehensive is AOR ortho-core

best basic is pioneer multi 1+

[guyledouche]

anything except for Centrum


quick rule of thumb.............if they sell it at Walmart then dont buy it

[syr_]

best basic is pioneer multi 1+

I dont agree on the Pioneer. Its generally good, but has a few things that I dont like:
1) iron (but maybe there is an iron free version)
2) vitamin D2 instead of D3. D2 is basically worthless at that dose and at higher doses is very likely to cause calcifications.
Pros are the green foods and the trace minerals.

My basic of choice is Solgar Vitamins only.
(http://www.solgar.co...&Prodcode=E2810)

I like to take minerals separately at a lower level that is generally in a multi. Opposite way regarding anti-oxidants and singluar vitamins - i take much higher doses that would be in a multi. I skip some of them of course for budget, but i like this flexible approach a lot more.

[mitkat]

quick rule of thumb.............if they sell it at Walmart then dont buy it

Hallelujah!

[ajnast4r]

1) iron (but maybe there is an iron free version)

they make both

2) vitamin D2 instead of D3. D2 is basically worthless at that dose and at higher doses is very likely to cause calcifications.

never heard that... i seriously doubt d2 is worthless, or a few hundred IU is gonna cause any problems

My basic of choice is Solgar Vitamins only.
(http://www.solgar.co...&Prodcode=E2810)

that is an old school formulation. things have advanced a bit since that 1st came out.

[syr_]

Its very conservative, but not underdosed and covers the very basic vitamins need, while allows to dose anti-oxidants and minerals as you wish.

200 IU of D2 wont do any harm, alone.
If I was to supplement D (as I do) on top of that I would be a little concerned. I have no idea how the effect would sum with lets say 1000 IU of D3. I researched D3 safety, not D2. I just would avoid any D2 supplementation. But thats just me.

[mind_offset]

I have been quite pleased with the Now Foods brand up to now,

I reordered their Eco-Green Multi, Iron-Free.

Iron (especially in non-hemic form) is better avoided for males past their 30's.

Tablets are fortified with "Green Superfoods" (Spirulina, Barley Grass, Chlorella, Alfalfa, Green Tea, Wheat Grass)

Their Eco-Green is GMP certified.

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[zoolander]

I think we will all agree about the quality of AOR Ortho-Core. AOR ortho-mind is also well worth a look.

Source Naturals Life Force Multi is worth a look.

Additionally, NSI synergy range is pretty darn good as well.

[scottl]

Zoolander,

I was just reviewing this and our previous threads on this.

Source naturals has bioperine as does NSI (too bad as I really like the NSI stuff)

AOR has homeopathic amounts of B vitamins

Lifeextension is near perfect---except they've f'ed up the vit e and have 400 iu of alpha tocopherol a really bad mistake.

I was even looking at andrew weil'd multi until I realize there was no selenium in it!

I may have to go with Now brand's ADAM or Eco-Green Multi (see above) unless ajnast4r's store makes there own soon.

Oh ajnast4r I forgot to mention, I like the one you have....and it...may be OK it is just we had been talking about 5 mg manganese being too much (with the Mn in your food). We had solved our discussion by asking LifeMIrage which in retrospect was not a great idea.

This is a triclky area but e.g. LEF has cut back to 1 mg mananese as have others. So 5 is borderline. Similar on preformed vit A. in which some amount is too much (and there is some in food).

This is annoying. I had looked into having my own made and gave up because e.g. one would need insurance if you were going to sell it, etc.

[drmz]

anything except for Centrum


quick rule of thumb.............if they sell it at Walmart then dont buy it

Great rule of thumb [thumb] [thumb]

I take OptiMen+ , cheap, basic multivit. Probably Ortho-core is much better, but it's really "expensive". Besides that, i take my E,C, P5P, B's separate.......

[scottl]

Edit: ignore the NOw brand ADAM, most of you are too young to need saw palmetto

[zoolander]

Scottl,

I almost preempted your response about bioperine (piperine).

Yes I agree that the addition of this compound is complex considering

From http://www.pdrhealth.../pip_0322.shtml

"Piperine has been found to be a nonspecific inhibitor of drug and xenobiotic metabolism. It appears to inhibit many different cytochrome P450 isoforms, as well as UDP-glucuronyltransferase and hepatic arylhydrocarbon hydroxylase and other enzymes involved in drug and xenobiotic metabolism."

The paper that we previously discussed (free full text paper here http://jpet.aspetjou...full/302/2/645) did present some potential issues in that piperine may inhibit some of the big players involved in the first-pass detoxification of various drugs. However, a recently paper (free full text paper here http://www.nutrition...ull/134/8/1948) mentioned that piperine appeared to inhibit small intestinal glucuronidation and not hepatic glucuronidation, of EGCG, which may result in increased absorption. This I guess, for me, decreases my fears of bioperine fucking around with first pass metabolism in the liver. However, increasing the absorption of drugs in the small intestine would also be problematic. Unless you could titrate the dose accordingly.

Lets not forget the potential benefits of piperine for its antioxidant, antimutagenic and immune enhancing abilities.

I guess we have to weight up the risks versus benefits here. That's what I enjoy about these forums. People present their veiws and sometimes with great justifacation. If it wasn't for you ScottL, I would not be aware of the possible problems that may arise from Bioperine. So cheers for that

A little latin and french before I go.

Caveat Emptor and Bon Appetit. If that makes any sense

P.S: For those out there who have not met yet. I, like LifeMirage, have a spelling and grammer problem. I, unlike LifeMirage, have legimate papers to certify my educational background [glasses] [thumb]

Edited by zoolander, 27 March 2006 - 02:33 PM.

[syr_]

Edit: ignore the NOw brand ADAM, most of you are too young to need saw palmetto

I dont agree. After 25, saw palmetto can be only beneficial, and at small amounts is not a problem.

PS: I avoid ANY product containing bioperine/piperine - I take way too much supplements to risk an overdosage of anything.

[scottl]

Here Ray Shahalian redeems himself:

http://physicianform...ame=MultiVit-Rx

Amount per Serving: %DV
Vitamin A - 10,000 IU - 200%
Beta Carotene - 7,500 IU
Retinyl Palmitate - 2,500 IU
Vitamin C with Rose hips - 500 mg - 833%
(ascorbic acid)
Vitamin D - 400 IU - 100%
Vitamin E - 200 IU - 667%
(mixed tocopherols)
Vitamin B-1 - 25 mg - 1667%
(thiamine hcl)
Vitamin B-2 - 25 mg - 1470%
(riboflavin)
Niacinamide 25 mg - 125%
Vitamin B-6 - 25 mg - 1250%
Folic acid - 400 mcg - 100%
Vitamin B12 - 100 mcg - 1667%
Biotin - 300 mcg - 100%
Pantothenic acid - 80 mg - 800%
(d-calcium pantothenate)
Calcium (citrate) - 300mg - 30%
Iodine (potassium iodine) - 150 mcg - 100%
Magnesium (oxide) - 200 mg - 50%
Zinc - 15 mg - 100%
Selenium (amino acid chelate) - 70 mcg - 100% Copper (amino acid chelate) - 2 mg - 100%
Manganese (carbonate) - 2 mg - 100%
Chromium - 120 mcg - 100%
(amino acid chelate)
Molybdenum - 75 mcg - 100%
(amino acid chelate)
Potassium (carbonate) - 100 mg - 3%
Green Tea (leaves) - 100 mg - *
Inulin (Jerusalem artichoke - 200 mg - *
plant fiber extract-inuflora)
N-Aceytl-L-Cysteine - 25 mg - *
Inositol - 10 mg - *
PABA - 50 mg - *
(para aminobenzoic acid)
Rutin - 30 mg - *
Citrus Bioflavonoid Complex - 30 mg - *
Choline (bitartrate) - 25 mg - *
Betaine (HCI) - 23 mg - *
Beta Glucan - 2.5 mg - *
1/3-Beta, 1/6-Glucan (insoluble form from
cell walls of Saccharomyces cerevisiae) Lycopene (from tomato) - 500 mcg - *
Lutein (from marigold extract) - 500 mcg - * Astaxanthin - 100 mcg - *
Zeaxanthin - 100 mcg - *
Octacosanol - 100 mcg - *
----------------------------------------------------

[Pablo M]

I think we can all agree that the ideal would be to design our own. Mine would have OrthoCore as a base, but with double or triple the amount of vitamin E, and higher amounts of some B vitamins. Maybe 2mg of folic acid. I would have maybe 450 mcg of selenium, 400 mcg as SeMC and 50 mcg as selenomethionine. I would double the calcium to 600 mg and double the magnesium as well. I would have 3 grams of vitamin C, and 300-400 mg of r-lipoic and 15 or so mg of CoQ10. Oh and I'll take the iodine down to 25-50 mcg because it breaks me out. I'll call it "PabloCore."

[scottl]

I looked into it . The main problem is having to pay for insurance before you could sell it.

[Pablo M]

ScottLCore

Edited by dantecubit, 30 March 2006 - 06:20 PM.

[mitkat]

*scott is showered in serious dollars from heaven*

[syr_]

I think we can all agree that the ideal would be to design our own. Mine would have OrthoCore as a base, but with double or triple the amount of vitamin E, and higher amounts of some B vitamins. Maybe 2mg of folic acid. I would have maybe 450 mcg of selenium, 400 mcg as SeMC and 50 mcg as selenomethionine. I would double the calcium to 600 mg and double the magnesium as well. I would have 3 grams of vitamin C, and 300-400 mg of r-lipoic and 15 or so mg of CoQ10. Oh and I'll take the iodine down to 25-50 mcg because it breaks me out. I'll call it "PabloCore."

And I would have different needs than you for my "SyroCore"
BTW that much selenium is really too much.

[scottl]

BTW that much selenium is really too much.

no it ain't if you're taking orgamic form as you sould be.. This was discussed in sci.lifeextension recently. I take 400 mcg and have for years.

[syr_]

I sort of read 400+450=850, 450 total is acceptable if the main form is SeMC, yeah. Maybe he could still experience intestinal problems, though.