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[jaydfox]

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So now Unique Nutrition gets an insulting sig too. I looked in that thread that is supposed to have all the proof and smoking guns and saw little to nothing. My reaction was "is that all there is?"

Yes, the sig could be toned down a bit while maintaining the essence of the warning. It wasn't my handiwork, though Steve Sliwa is essentially banned at the moment (the vote already passed), so his sig is open to necessary disclaimers. But I told him he had until March 15th to defend himself if he so chose, so his account won't be banned for at least that long.

As for the thread, it was just opened and is still being populated. If you're looking for the smoking guns, they're strewn about in a dozen different threads, some of which you've already read. Xanadu, you continue to persist in this fantasy that nothing wrong was done by LifeMirage, and you are beyond hope of resuscitation from this state of thoughtless stupor.

[xanadu]

I don't know if LM did anything wrong or not. Likewise with Steve. People are going to assume that thread has the essense of everything you have on the two. If people still have to search through a "dozen different threads" they will wonder why you couldn't put it in one thread. Not everyone has the time to search a dozen threads some of which are very long and some of which they are not allowed to look in anyway.

[drmz]

I don't know if LM did anything wrong or not. Likewise with Steve. People are going to assume that thread has the essense of everything you have on the two. If people still have to search through a "dozen different threads" they will wonder why you couldn't put it in one thread. Not everyone has the time to search a dozen threads some of which are very long and some of which they are not allowed to look in anyway.

People who are interested and concerned about the situation make time to read the threads. Putting them in one thread would automatically lead to 5 more threads or one thread with a never ending discussion.

[FunkOdyssey]

I don't know if LM did anything wrong or not. Likewise with Steve. People are going to assume that thread has the essense of everything you have on the two. If people still have to search through a "dozen different threads" they will wonder why you couldn't put it in one thread. Not everyone has the time to search a dozen threads some of which are very long and some of which they are not allowed to look in anyway.

So basically, you don't have time for the proper due diligence to form an educated opinion on the matter, but you have plenty of time to be a thorn in everyone's side with these repetitive dead-horse-beating LM defense posts. If I were you I would post less and read more.

[Kalepha]

So basically, you don't have time for the proper due diligence to form an educated opinion on the matter, but you have plenty of time to be a thorn in everyone's side with these repetitive dead-horse-beating LM defense posts. If I were you I would post less and read more.

Right on, funkodyssey. Too bad your words couldn't be a forced entry-page to ImmInst for at least the next few weeks.

[xanadu]

drmz, and the rest. I've read those threads, the ones I was allowed to read and did not find any smoking gun. Maybe they did something wrong but I'm not sure what.

"People who are interested and concerned about the situation make time to read the threads. Putting them in one thread would automatically lead to 5 more threads or one thread with a never ending discussion."

I don't see how it would be impossible to put all the proof of wrongdoing in one thread. People were told not to post in it so that takes care of the never ending discussion. I'm told that they commited fraud and identity theft. The proof of it so far is:

For Steve
1. He claims to be president of UN but Ed Younan is listed as president
2. He used the same computer or shared an account with LM
3. He has a complaint against him with the BBB.

For LM
1. He let people think he was a doctor
2. In phone calls, someone identifying himself as L Crost said he was not LM.

No doubt I missed much important evidence which is hidden amonst the dozen or so threads. I read all the public ones but maybe it was buried somewhere or is in a not so public thread. Maybe one of you well informed people can bring out this terrible wrongdoing that they did? I'm not saying they did nothing wrong, I'm saying show me what they did. I'm not saying leadership and certain zealous members are wrong, I'm saying I'm not sure what it is they did. I would think people would want to put all the proof together in one spot so that sceptics could read it and be convinced.

[jaydfox]

For Steve
1. He claims to be president of UN but Ed Younan is listed as president
2. He used the same computer or shared an account with LM
3. He has a complaint against him with the BBB.

For LM
1. He let people think he was a doctor
2. In phone calls, someone identifying himself as L Crost said he was not LM.

For starters:
3. LifeMirage faxed a Director a copy of L Crost's state issued photo ID. If LifeMirage is not L Crost, this is a felony if it was done without L Crost's consent.
4. L Crost denied giving consent to Edward Younan or anyone else to use his photo ID (see number 3).
5. LifeMirage was busy in the chatroom at the same time L Crost was at work, denying he was LifeMirage to various ImmInst leaders.

If Lee Crost's alleged reason for "lying" about being LifeMirage was so he wouldn't get caught at work, why would he spend several of his work hours in an IRC chat room?

[uniquenutrition]

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For Steve
1. He claims to be president of UN but Ed Younan is listed as president

When i started my company in 200o (rather than the year stated for the business you post) in was not in IL. You can ask the BB who the president is.

2. He used the same computer or shared an account with LM

We have several computers at my office. Whenever Lee drops by he is open to use them. But in recent times he is not allowed.

3. He has a complaint against him with the BBB.

"BBB determined the company made a reasonable offer to resolve the issues, but the consumer did not accept the offer."

For LM
1. He let people think he was a doctor

Never, he only stated he had a M.D. and was health consultant.

2. In phone calls, someone identifying himself as L Crost said he was not LM.

He told you he did not want you call him at his place of business and wanted nothing to do with you. Especially when started mentioning lawsuits. I would do the same thing in his place.

For starters:
3. LifeMirage faxed a Director a copy of L Crost's state issued photo ID. If LifeMirage is not L Crost, this is a felony if it was done without L Crost's consent.

So is Lee suing anyone? No of course not!!!

4. L Crost denied giving consent to Edward Younan or anyone else to use his photo ID (see number 3).

Then who faxed you his state id and college papers?

5. LifeMirage was busy in the chatroom at the same time L Crost was at work, denying he was LifeMirage to various ImmInst leaders.

Lee has computers at work and a blackberry device (hence lifemirage@tmo.blackberry.net) which (when I was Store manager at Sherwyn's) he used all the time.

If Lee Crost's alleged reason for "lying" about being LifeMirage was so he wouldn't get caught at work, why would he spend several of his work hours in an IRC chat room?

How do you know it was him? Although he could have if he wanted to. Anyone can create any name on chat.

Sincerely Steve Sliwa
President
Unique Nutrition

[jaydfox]

For starters:
3. LifeMirage faxed a Director a copy of L Crost's state issued photo ID. If LifeMirage is not L Crost, this is a felony if it was done without L Crost's consent.

So is Lee suing anyone? No of course not!!!

Lee admitted giving tacit approval for Edward to use his (Lee's) name. Pressing charges could bring up questions he'd rather avoid, especially ones that could cost him his job. Complicity on Lee's part could make it difficult for him to press charges.

If Lee Crost's alleged reason for "lying" about being LifeMirage was so he wouldn't get caught at work, why would he spend several of his work hours in an IRC chat room?

How do you know it was him? Although he could have if he wanted to. Anyone can create any name on chat.

We know it was he, because he kept posting to a forum topic that he was in the chatroom. If it were an imposter, would he keep posting that he was still in the chat room, several times over the space of several hours?

[Grail]

If there is ever any doubt as to someones identity while using IRC, just type in /whois *username here*. This may give you their IP and other info if you're lucky.

[nomi]

Cliffs on whats going on? lol