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[eternaltraveler]

Steve was banned because he was friends with LM and used the same IP at times.

steve was banned because "Lifemirage" was banned, and "LifeMirage" was registered to both Steve and Edward (Lifemirage was originally registered to Steve Silwa, and Edward was the one who paid for "lifemirage's" membership through his paypal account). We gave steve around a week to come up with a reasonable explantion on why this was the case, and he chose not to do so.

[eternaltraveler]

Is it permitted to look at things from the other point of view? Why are people called names, insulted in various ways and threatened when they don't seem to go along with the popular opinion? Is it neccessary to demonize those who oppose the beliefs of the board? What happened to friendly debate where facts are discussed instead of character being attacked?

of course it's ok to have a different point of view, but as Don illustrated it just seems to go around in circles a bit. Perhaps because you haven't seen the explanations stated clearly. I don't think anyone is "going after" you. And I don't know if I like what’s going on with Da sense. However I can't say I have been closely following the situation lately so I don't know if there is a good explanation for that. Perhaps in some cases some of us are getting carried away, but that’s just because these wild conspiracy theories I and others outright dismissed at the beginning turned out to be true.

I don't agree with someone's character should be "attacked" however in this case in dealing with some individuals the facts being discussed had to do directly with their characters. I do believe some over zealousness has taken place in this regard.

[eternaltraveler]

what's going on with me?

i was only reffering to the way you were being treated, however as I said I don't have the time to catch up to know if any of it is justified.

[Brainbox]

[uniquenutrition]

QUOTE (da_sense)

let me tell you that steve paid for my full member status



If I recall correctly Edward Younan paid for LifeMirage's fees.. Steve Sliwa pays for yours.. Does he have access to your account?

If you recall correctly? Do you have proof?


Also unless the fact that I paid for da_sense's account was made public knowledge by him, I don't believe you should be posting that information.


Whats next you listed every member's credit card number?


I do not have access to da_sense's account btw.


Oh and we recently started carrying the full line of Life Extension Foundation and soon AOR.


Sincerely Steve Sliwa
President [Confirmed by the BBB]
Proud Member of the BBB
Unique Nutrition
www.uniquenutrition.net
1-877-278-4942

[jaydfox]

That's awesome. We should add it to our list of emoticons...

[jaydfox]

If you had stopped with LM, it would not look that way. Going after Steve makes no sense.

I'm sure somebody already covered this in the half dozen or so posts after this one, but I have to chime in:
Going after Steve makes no sense? Excuse me? He vouches for LifeMirage, lies and/or misdirects everyone about who runs Unique Nutrition, engages in the same deletion of textual evidence tactics that LifeMirage did (see specifically deleting a link to his blog in the news feed at UNI's website). Now I'm sure that it's entirely possible, however implausible, that Steve's an innocent victim here. However, to say that it doesn't make sense to be suspicious of him is just flat lame.

[jaydfox]

Steve was banned because he was friends with LM and used the same IP at times. Of course if two people use the same proxy they will have the same IP.

As for sharing IPs, Steve and LifeMirage shared IPs on at least two different ISPs, so it's not just a matter of their using the "same proxy". Plus, we have multiple IPs for each ISP, so it wasn't even a proxy. Furthermore, xanadu, I'm not saying this based on privileged information: you can confirm it yourself based on the list of IPs in the first post of the wiki vandalism thread. Just use a whois database on the IPs to confirm that they are from two different ISPs.

[uniquenutrition]

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If you had stopped with LM, it would not look that way. Going after Steve makes no sense.

I'm sure somebody already covered this in the half dozen or so posts after this one, but I have to chime in:
Going after Steve makes no sense? Excuse me? He vouches for LifeMirage, lies and/or misdirects everyone about who runs Unique Nutrition, engages in the same deletion of textual evidence tactics that LifeMirage did (see specifically deleting a link to his blog in the news feed at UNI's website). Now I'm sure that it's entirely possible, however implausible, that Steve's an innocent victim here. However, to say that it doesn't make sense to be suspicious of him is just flat lame.

He vouches for LifeMirage? All I stated was I met him back when I was his boss at Sherwyn's and confirmed he has a MD. I am not going to defend him or anyone using his name in all of his dealings.


Are you calling the Better Business Bureau liars too Jaydfox?


Seriously you guys need to get things right before you start a witchhunt next time.


Sincerely Steve Sliwa
President [Confirmed by the BBB]
Proud Member of the BBB
Unique Nutrition
www.uniquenutrition.net
1-877-278-4942

[jaydfox]

If I recall correctly Edward Younan paid for LifeMirage's fees..

If you recall correctly? Do you have proof?

Steve, do you really think we could accept PayPal payments for membership accounts and not be able to figure out who made the payments?

Of course we have proof, you ninny.

Also unless the fact that I paid for da_sense's account was made public knowledge by him, I don't believe you should be posting that information.

Whats next you listed every member's credit card number?

Oh my god, are you that lazy? Just five posts above prometheus's was a post by da_sense, explaining that you paid for his account. You have the time to try to raise fears that prometheus is going to violate everyone's online and financial privacy, but you can't be bothered to make a quick check for relevant posts on the same page?

[uniquenutrition]

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If I recall correctly Edward Younan paid for LifeMirage's fees..

If you recall correctly? Do you have proof?

Steve, do you really think we could accept PayPal payments for membership accounts and not be able to figure out who made the payments?

Of course we have proof, you ninny.

Where?


Name calling is abit childish, are you in your 20's or something?


Sincerely Steve Sliwa
President [Confirmed by the BBB]
Proud Member of the BBB
Unique Nutrition
www.uniquenutrition.net
1-877-278-4942

[jaydfox]

Do you have proof?

Steve, do you really think we could accept PayPal payments for membership accounts and not be able to figure out who made the payments?

Of course we have proof, you ninny.

Where?

Gee, what email address should I use to send you the login details for our PayPal account? Or would you rather I posted them here in the public forum?

[uniquenutrition]

So you claim to have proof but can't (or won't) show it? Interesting.


And I'm also sure you think the BBB is working with us and lying about me being the president of my company.


Seriously get a real life.


Sincerely Steve Sliwa
President [Confirmed by the BBB]
Proud Member of the BBB
Unique Nutrition
www.uniquenutrition.net
1-877-278-4942

[jaydfox]

Do you have proof?

Steve, do you really think we could accept PayPal payments for membership accounts and not be able to figure out who made the payments?

Of course we have proof, you ninny.

Name calling is abit childish, are you in your 20's or something?

Okay, first of all, you ask if we have proof that Edward Younan paid for LifeMirage's account. Steve, it's not like we're taking cash drops under the trashcan by the bench in the park. PayPal does allow you to see who is sending you the money. That you couldn't be bothered to think this through is proof enough that you are a:

nin·ny    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (nn)
n. pl. nin·nies
A fool; a simpleton.

However, if it makes you feel better, here in the States, where you reside, the word "ninny" doesn't really have any significance. I don't know the origin of the word (other than a relation to nincompoop), and I can't be bothered to google it or provide references (classic LM dodge here), but I've only ever heard it used by non-U.S. English speakers, e.g., Canadians. So I have a liking for using it, since it sounds silly to most Americans.

(On second consideration, given your proximity to Canada, relative to mine, perhaps "ninny" is a more commonly-used term. Out of curiosity, is it?)

[jaydfox]

So you claim to have proof but can't (or won't) show it? Interesting.

My god, you are a ninny.

[uniquenutrition]

Okay, first of all, you ask if we have proof that Edward Younan paid for LifeMirage's account. Steve, it's not like we're taking cash drops under the trashcan by the bench in the park. PayPal does allow you to see who is sending you the money. That you couldn't be bothered to think this through is proof enough that you are a:

Yes but without showing that "proof" to members you could make up anything and we would have to assume you are telling the truth.


What are you hiding?

[jaydfox]

Yes but without showing that "proof" to members you could make up anything and we would have to assume you are telling the truth.


What are you hiding?

And you say I'm childish, that I must be in my 20's? Steve, I know you're desparate to make ImmInst leadership look bad here, but you're grasping at straws. Do you have a point to make?

[Brainbox]

That's awesome. We should add it to our list of emoticons...

I "stole" it from another forum. Maybe there's copyright attached to it. I'll ask.