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[biknut]

Check this out. He sounds a lot smarter than the interviewers.

http://www.youtube.c...&page=5&t=m&f=b

[123456]

Video is downloading somewhat slow, need fiber optic network, hehe. [lol] I saw one thing that Dr. De Grey said in the video which he may be wrong about, probably he misspoke... He said along the lines, keep in mind not a direct quote, " We do not know what causes rust". Is'nt rust caused by chemical reaction of certain single oxygen atoms and certain metals which do not have completed valence electrons? which result in i.e iron oxide(aka "Rust") and so on. I currently only have high school education, still retained that interesting bit of info from chemistry classes years ago. By no means I am saying I am smarter than Dr. De Grey or any other intellectual type individuals, wish I was though [sfty] . Seems like a positive interview, hoped it reached alot of people to let them realize the possiblilities that exist when it comes to life extention.

[Mind]

Maybe he was referring to the biological "rust" that is oxidation within human cells.

[biknut]

I gained a lot of respect for Dr. De Grey when the lady said, wouldn't living forever deprive you of dying peacefully of old age, and he replied dying of old age isn't really all that peaceful.

I was thinking the same damn thing.

[maestro949]

If you were to force the diseases of old age on a person prematurely it would be considered cruel and unusual punishment. Slowly robbing a person of their memories, weakening their physical structure, wrinking their skin to the point they are hardly recognizable, reducing their hearing, eyesight and just about every other sense, insomnia, osteoporosis, cancer, cardiac arrest, etc, etc. Yeah, that's friggin' peaceful. What a dumb sh*t.

[John Schloendorn]

We do not know what causes rust". Is'nt rust caused by chemical reaction of certain single oxygen atoms and certain metals which do not have completed valence electrons?

So what causes the laws that govern these chemicals to be as they are? In science you can *always* ask for deeper causes and more detailed mechanisms, no matter how much you already know. The point Aubrey was trying to get across is that at some, sometimes very early point in the chain of knowledge you can start designing successful interventions, without necessarily knowing the all of the chain, which is probably infinite anyways. So he is defending anti-aging research against the "we don't know enough to intervene" rationalization.

[Live Forever]

You'll notice in the comments I got into a bit of an argument with one of the people that didn't like the vid about a week ago (you have to click "view all comments" to see all of them). I invited him/her to come over here to discuss further, but he/she didn't decide to I guess.

Edited by liveforever22, 24 March 2006 - 12:49 AM.

[MichaelAnissimov]

I really love the caption they chose. [lol]

[MichaelAnissimov]

"...so eventually there'll be no children and there'll be no Christmases and there'll be no getting old and no family sitting around for supper and... y'know, none of that sort of stuff."

Aubrey reacts halfway through the above quote with a condescending smile:





"Well, my wife and I don't have children but we still have Christmas."

[brizzadizza]

Regarding the rust comment,
he wasn't saying scientists don't know how rust "works" he was saying more along the lines of you don't have to know the chemical reaction that makes rust to know how to replace a rusty part, or prevent rust for that matter.