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[salesman]

Hello everyone I am a 24 year old college student and want to get your views on what to take as a newbee to nootropics. I just ordered pyritonol(spelling) and want to know what your thoughts are on this one? Should I just try it out for a month to see how things go and then go from there on what to take next. I thought taking a one at a time approach to building a stack that works for me, but tear it up if you think of something else. Thanks and please reply even if its just a few things to add. I cant stand not getting any response on things.


Salesman

[salesman]

Ok well im just tired of using adderall as my only means of getting rid of attention deficit
and so I thought I would try nootropics I have looked at other posts that are like mine but I need help filtering out the right information.

Im 24 years old I weigh approx. 210lbs I am overweight. I would say that I am chubby now I know that exercise and diet play a big role in this but I dont know what to eat because everytime I eat something I get a bad reaction to it. Usually foods make me tired. I have tried a sleep study with no result of apnea. I have a thermometer reading that is below normal. So Im pretty sure im hypothyroid. Considering the research Ive done and that my mom and grandmother have hypothyroid. I am currently taking iodide for hypothyroid as a treatment protocol for it. I read that it takes the average hypothryoid case 3 months to health the thyroid. So aside from that I started using flax seeds because of all the hype. I noticed that anything I eat when i take adderall it makes me come down from the adderall effect or makes me tired or get itchy allergic reaction. I also noticed that I get aches and pains in the areas that I use most. I sit at the computer alot and also study alot. I have trouble remembering certain easy tasks and short term memory is difficult for me, as well as long term. I have the most difficulty remembering weather i did something or not or weather I am confusing something I remember with something that I just thought of but didnt do or see. Anywayz hope that makes sense. As far as exercise I walk my dog once a day around the back. Cant afford a gym membership. Need help with proper supplementation, Motivation, Ambition, attention span, memory, etc.

Salesman

[FunkOdyssey]

I have a thermometer reading that is below normal. So Im pretty sure im hypothyroid. Considering the research Ive done and that my mom and grandmother have hypothyroid. I am currently taking iodide for hypothyroid as a treatment protocol for it. I read that it takes the average hypothryoid case 3 months to health the thyroid.

Do you have blood tests that show hypothyroidism? High TSH, low free T3 and T4? You should also test adrenal function; hypothyroidism and adrenal fatigue are intimately related. This is not something you will be able to figure out and resolve trying random things on your own, trust me.

I would say that I am chubby now I know that exercise and diet play a big role in this but I dont know what to eat because everytime I eat something I get a bad reaction to it. Usually foods make me tired.

Hello food allergies... get an LRA by ELISA/ACT test performed by your doctor as well.

Cant afford a gym membership. Need help with proper supplementation, Motivation, Ambition, attention span, memory, etc.

You can't afford a gym membership ($20-$40 monthly) but you can afford a nootropic stack? That's complete BS. You have some complicated issues that require profressional help and laboratory testing to identify and resolve. You are not going to solve anything by throwing your money away on random nootropics. If you straighten out your digestive issues and your possible hypothyroidism/hypoadrenalism, I'm willing to bet your ADD symptoms will resolve themselves as ADD is correlated with all of those problems. Don't take the easy way out (it isn't going to work anyway).

edit: A couple months ago, LM would have told this guy to take two pyritinol and call in the morning. I feel alot better about this sub-forum now.

[REGIMEN]

Blood test (thyroid levels?)
Stool test(parasites/bacteria/yeast?)
Allergy test(food reactions?)

I would keep away from any 'drugs' that "speed up" your mind right now. Say, if you're hypothyroid it will only further wear down your adrenal/endocrine system. If it's a GI bacterial imbalance or candida or some other GI problem you'll only increase "parasite" proliferation or at least your awareness of the symptoms. If it's food allergies you'll, again, only increase awareness which will make life seem all the more dramatic.

The gym would be the next best thing for your weight issue (along with diet revision) but it very well may be a symptom of one or a combination of these three issues mentioned. If you keep sensitizing or 'feeding' these issues you'll only continue to feel like crap and wear yourself out. Wait until you get this stuff figured out before using supplements and nootropics. It may take a while, a good number of months even, before you notice a return to pre-problem status. Just stick with it.

Funk: I'm really not so sure LM's response would have been as simple as stated. But whatever...I think I've read more pragmatic and detailed information from you in the last two months than what could be pulled from the whole of LM's posting history. Thumbs up!

[FunkOdyssey]

Funk: I'm really not so sure LM's response would have been as simple as stated. But whatever...I think I've read more pragmatic and detailed information from you in the last two months than what could be pulled from the whole of LM's posting history. Thumbs up!

Thanks man, I appreciate it. I'm hoping as we continue to elevate the quality of discussion and accuracy of information here, imminst will develop into the premier health forum on the net. That will attract the participation of even more knowledgeable contributors and a snowball effect will ensue where everyone wins and the possibilities of radical life extension and immortality are introduced to a much larger group of people.

[salesman]

Thanks guys for the input I appreciate it. I knew right off the bat that you didnt know what your talking about when you said blood test for thyroid. I mean how much research have you really done on this topic? Blood tests are highly ineffective. As far as the doctor route goes I havent had good look with any doctors. They seem to make problems worse. But yes I have done the blood work needed to check for the proper thyroid levels several months ago. Again this is not a problem of motivation to go to the gym. I dont have money to pay for things like that. Which really isnt any of your business to begin with. I would appreciate it if someone could help me with nootropics that is the forum discussion right?

[FunkOdyssey]

I knew right off the bat that you didnt know what your talking about when you said blood test for thyroid. I mean how much research have you really done on this topic? Blood tests are highly ineffective.

I absolutely do know what I am talking about. I have done a great deal of research on this topic as I suspected that I had hypothyroidism at one point. I collaborated with possibly the best educated and most open-minded endocrinologist in Connecticut to rule out that possibility.

Blood tests are highly ineffective.

Blood tests are highly effective if the correct tests are performed and they are interpreted correctly. The "normal range" is too large for TSH and thyroid hormone levels, as these ranges were established after unknowningly including the results of many people with subclinical hypothyroidism. A narrower range exists that represents what is optimal and healthy (under 2.0 for TSH, for example). Many doctors will see TSH levels of 3.0 - 4.9 and tell you you're fine. They also tend not to order the more expensive T3 and T4 tests that would determine conclusively whether thyroid hormone production is actually deficient. If your TSH and Free T3 and T4 levels are all within this optimal range, you are barking up the wrong tree and I would explore other possible causes for your symptoms. Would you be willing to post the results of your tests for discussion's sake?

[REGIMEN]

Someone that is obviously talking out of their ass and being antagonistic like salesman is usually termed a troll.

[simple]

Salesman: my suggestion before you begin dosing yourself, please, oh, please visit, ITHYROID.com I believe you will find more help there for your condition than here, at least better documented.

[gcurrie]

There is an alternative authority on everything nootropic who resides at www.brainmeta.com called LifeMirage. If you believe the practical suggestions provided by funkodyssey to be innapropriate for your requirements you may consider consulting LifeMirage.

That's really helpful. NOT. [hmm]

Salesman, you've been given some good pointers by some helpful people. Although nootropics have their time and place, they can't cure or treat issues that have physical origins.

You can't focus on your brain while you neglect the body and expect good things to occur. It sounds like you need to get some regular physical activity, a little more than walking the dog. And funk's suggestion of food allergies sounds plausible and certainly worth looking into.

My advice - get your physical house in order before tweezing your neurochemistry.

[Shepard]

No need for a gym. If you truly wanted to exercise, you're only held back by your imagination.

[kenj]

If you truly wanted to exercise, you're only held back by your imagination.

Exactly -- and exercising beats ANY nootropic for instant gratification.

If you're still not convinced you can get your exercising *prescribed* by your doctor, - amazing stuff. [thumb]

[salesman]

Ok guys I appreciate the response and thank you to everyone for your comments. I started to walk to work now and Im incorporating additional exercises in the mean time. I defianetly believe in the theories here stated on the board.

Saleman