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I'm scared to order Modafinil online, is Adrafinil safe to buy?


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#1 NootropicNewb

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 01:04 AM


I'd like to try Modafinil, but it's controlled and it makes me very nervous to even attempt to order it online. I'm afraid to go to a doctor asking for it because, to me, that would be kind of like fishing and it would be awkward, etc. So, Adrafinil is the prodrug of Modafinil, it's also uncontrolled, which means I can feel secure about ordering online, right? Would I need one of those online doctors to write me a script after a chat-room "interview"? Or would I just order it without it being a big deal? I'm not looking for a buzz (even though some people here says it makes them a little euphoric), but a clean, legal boost in focus is always good for a college student. If I could find a US-based company that sells it online, I'd feel better but they all seem to be overseas. I'm afraid it might be contaminated or something.

I don't think my regular doctor would have a problem prescribing me Modafinil if I was ALREADY taking Adrafinil that I bought legally (it IS legal, right?) online if my blood work didn't look so hot (I have testing done, anyway), that way it would just happen to nonchalantly come up in conversation "Oh, really? Could it be the Adrafinil I've been buying online?" "OH! Don't take that! If you think you have to have it, be safe and take Modafinil instead!" and it wouldn't be a big deal. Another HUGE reason I'm so scared is because I want to become a Doctor myself one day, and I don't want any questions raised or anything... so ordering Modafinil online is kind of iffy... I mean, if I wanted to get high I'd buy some adderall from one of my peers. I'd NEVER do this, of course, I don't even want to, but it's just kind of lame that Modafinil is scheduled when it really doesn't give you a buzz and it prevents people like me from obtaining it online.

Is impaired liver function pretty much guarenteed, or is it just a possible side effect that may or may not happen? I don't even drink but like once a month lol, should I really be worried? Also, I was reading and a lot of you guys talk about Selegiline. It metabolizes into Levo-amphetamine and Levo-methamphetamine, right? You guys realize that Levo-methamphetamine is the active ingredient in Vicks nasal inhalers, don't you? They're over the counter... most of you have probably used one. The contents is listed as levmetamfetamine. Trade name to keep kids from thinking it's like crystal meth! I thought that was interesting.
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Posted 18 July 2008 - 10:41 AM

welcome to imminst. I'm in a similar situation. Does Adrafinil work as well as modafinil? I'm a little bit concerned about buying modafinil online, but even more concerned about the worse effects that caffiene has on me, and I'd like to try modafinil too! Even if you get diagnosed online or a by a real doc as narcoleptic, excessive sleepiness etc and manage to get a prescription, Provigil is not covered by most insurance companies, and you'd probably end up paying over 2-3 hundred bucks for a month suppply and it's an expensive "study/smart/lifestyle drug". I was leaning toward trying to buy it from Sun Modafinil or Intas biopharmaceutical in India. Sometimes i just gotta stay awake for 24 to 36 hours straight, and so these overseas companies sell 200mg modafinil pills for less than a dollar per pill, as low as even ~80 cents per 200mg of pure modafinil.

3 potential concerns i have are :

1) customs might seize them and i get letter from big brother, then of course simply forfeit the small dosage (~50 pills) i had ordered

2) like you said, the quality of the medicine, might these pills made in India be contaminated or contain 10 mg of modafinil and the rest caffiene to try to pass as 200mg pills?

3) I only have budget to spend on the cheap generic $0.80 modafinil because my parents could raise quesetions if i spend more than a couple hundred bucks on any one item, especially on a dubious foreign website, and if buying online, i guess i can only use my parents' credit card (don't have a full credit card of my own, my AmEx card is on my parents' account) unless they these companies take PayPal or like my Bank of America debit card? The places like Intas, Sun pharmas make the real deal right work just as well as provigil no major jittery, heart-racing side effects (effects i hate about caffiene)?

4) health concerns

i've sort of made up my mind to try them for a couple of weeks experiment, and i hope the following are true to ease my concerns
#1 hopefully the custums seizing the moda is a rare occurance and the overseas companies ship them discretely

#2 many people have tried them even some in these forums and so hopefully they're real safe pills comparable to brand-name drugs like provigil

#3 i'd spend 30 to 50 dollars on the first small order and my parents wouldn't raise ques, they probably don't know modafinil exists and the billing info is listed as Intas Company or something so i can pretend i orderd some India tea drink-powder type of tea that will help me study for long stretches during BUSY weeks (i'd make up all the sleep later tho).

#4 i'd use modafinil ONLY VERY VERY sparingly to help me go through rough patches of time or when i'm in a bind and need those all-nighters. I never drank alcohol , smoked , done any drugs in my life. Just to be safe, in regular checkups I had blood work and liver tested a couple years ago, and the clinicians tell me my liver is in the most excellent condition (top percentages in the population and well-developed) and can handle some liver-damaging medicines or wines etc if i ever need them. my other organs are fine too. even though i don't really exercise anymore, i should be healthy enough to take these cognitive-enhancing supps. I hope Intas and the like don't deliberately poison me with toxic substances in their drugs. Due to no FDA thing, mainland chinese medicines/drugs were very often faked and even some food/health supplements are made in dumps/sweatshops filled with toxic things, heck ppl have bought alcohol in china and after they drink the drinks, they go blind


Which website sells them? I went to Sun pharma and Intas and found they have Modalert and Modafil brands respectively but no order form

Edited by HYP86, 18 July 2008 - 11:22 AM.

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 01:28 PM

i disagree; I think your doctor might have a problem with you self-medicating and ordering potent medicines off of the internet. That said, Adrafinil is safe to buy. I recommend ordering from quality health (you can find a link on adrafinil.com)

welcome to imminst. I'm in a similar situation. Does Adrafinil work as well as modafinil? I'm a little bit concerned about buying modafinil online, but even more concerned about the worse effects that caffiene has on me, and I'd like to try modafinil too! Even if you get diagnosed online or a by a real doc as narcoleptic, excessive sleepiness etc and manage to get a prescription, Provigil is not covered by most insurance companies, and you'd probably end up paying over 2-3 hundred bucks for a month suppply and it's an expensive "study/smart/lifestyle drug". I was leaning toward trying to buy it from Sun Modafinil or Intas biopharmaceutical in India. Sometimes i just gotta stay awake for 24 to 36 hours straight, and so these overseas companies sell 200mg modafinil pills for less than a dollar per pill, as low as even ~80 cents per 200mg of pure modafinil.

3 potential concerns i have are :

1) customs might seize them and i get letter from big brother, then of course simply forfeit the small dosage (~50 pills) i had ordered

2) like you said, the quality of the medicine, might these pills made in India be contaminated or contain 10 mg of modafinil and the rest caffiene to try to pass as 200mg pills?

3) I only have budget to spend on the cheap generic $0.80 modafinil because my parents could raise quesetions if i spend more than a couple hundred bucks on any one item, especially on a dubious foreign website, and if buying online, i guess i can only use my parents' credit card (don't have a full credit card of my own, my AmEx card is on my parents' account) unless they these companies take PayPal or like my Bank of America debit card? The places like Intas, Sun pharmas make the real deal right work just as well as provigil no major jittery, heart-racing side effects (effects i hate about caffiene)?

4) health concerns

i've sort of made up my mind to try them for a couple of weeks experiment, and i hope the following are true to ease my concerns
#1 hopefully the custums seizing the moda is a rare occurance and the overseas companies ship them discretely

#2 many people have tried them even some in these forums and so hopefully they're real safe pills comparable to brand-name drugs like provigil

#3 i'd spend 30 to 50 dollars on the first small order and my parents wouldn't raise ques, they probably don't know modafinil exists and the billing info is listed as Intas Company or something so i can pretend i orderd some India tea drink-powder type of tea that will help me study for long stretches during BUSY weeks (i'd make up all the sleep later tho).

#4 i'd use modafinil ONLY VERY VERY sparingly to help me go through rough patches of time or when i'm in a bind and need those all-nighters. I never drank alcohol , smoked , done any drugs in my life. Just to be safe, in regular checkups I had blood work and liver tested a couple years ago, and the clinicians tell me my liver is in the most excellent condition (top percentages in the population and well-developed) and can handle some liver-damaging medicines or wines etc if i ever need them. my other organs are fine too. even though i don't really exercise anymore, i should be healthy enough to take these cognitive-enhancing supps. I hope Intas and the like don't deliberately poison me with toxic substances in their drugs. Due to no FDA thing, mainland chinese medicines/drugs were very often faked and even some food/health supplements are made in dumps/sweatshops filled with toxic things, heck ppl have bought alcohol in china and after they drink the drinks, they go blind


Which website sells them? I went to Sun pharma and Intas and found they have Modalert and Modafil brands respectively but no order form



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Posted 18 July 2008 - 01:38 PM

Modafinil is Schedule IV. If you order a reasonable quantity and it gets seized, you get a letter, no harm done. That said, I've never heard of someone having a shipment of modafinil seized.

Research the particular brand of generic modafinil that you are considering. The major Indian pharmaceutical companies are legit and many of our generic medications available here in the US are produced by those very same companies in India. This "Indian drugs are counterfeit" internet myth needs to be dispelled, I can't believe how widespread it has become.

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 02:38 PM

which is better, adrafinil or modafinil? They both produce similar physiological effects, so why is one a controlled substance in the US while the other (adra) is not controlled?

Based on their LD50 and some other side effects, both "finils" seem to be safer than caffiene , seem less toxic to the human body than caffiene and less adverse effects, just more expensive than caffiene pills. But they're supposed to be a lot better than caffiene right , more potent and less bad effects, seems like the best of both worlds, truly a miracle drug ;o) of course, i've no basis for comparison except from my intake of caffiene, i know I can tolerate caffiene okay (taking NoDoz and JetAlert occasionally , off and on, for a couple of years now. By occasionally, i mean i've gone through ~two bottles of JetAlert and 1 bottle of NoDoz and usually taking the pills with bottled water. Meanwhile during the last ~2 years, I drank about ZERO (0) liters of the liquid hot coffee if not counting some soft/energy drinks like red bull). of course the caffiene sometimes give one the jitters, racing heart beats and headache. Also, there is the issue of a high of caffiene followed by a crash and feeling low/blue and a few hours later the sleep/depressed/tired phase becomes overwhelming if i don't pop another caffiene pill. If i can afford the price , then why not try the finils , right?, i may like them better, and i'm NOT chasing the supposed euphoria accompanying the finils. I simply want a better substance than caffiene. If i want to feel euphoric, i'd go out jogging and get the great runner's high after abut 30-45 minutes of running (interestingly, if i run on a treadmill machine, i get runner's high sooner, in about 20-30 minutes. Of course if i jog very often, i don't get as much of a euphoric high but only the fitness accompanying the exercise).

I'll try to get Modafil from Intas or Adrafil from www.adrafinil.com, thanks to the others' posts, they seem cost-effective and legit. Do you think someday the finils will be sold over the counter in grocery stores?

Edited by HYP86, 18 July 2008 - 03:10 PM.


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Posted 18 July 2008 - 03:04 PM

Yeah, you can't get an online prescription for controlled drugs so that's why I was thinking of adrafinil. I was stunned when I saw the price of brand-name Modafinil on a Us-based online pharmacy versus an overseas one. Stunned. So technically it's illegal to import them, but apparently people do it all the time. If you got a legit prescription from a real life doctor, though, you could order Modafinil totally legally without any gray area and pay 80 cents a pill.
If schedule IV drugs aren't a bit deal to order, and the worst that can happen is you get a letter saying it was seized and that's that, what keeps people from ordering Xanax and Phentermine or another drugs of that nature online without worry? Those are schedule IV. I mean.... maybe they tend to let things slide like Modafinil since it's really not a big deal? From what I understand, it's no more recreational than caffeine. In otherwords, not really, and it also doesn't carry the CNS side effects of caffeine, or at least not to the samee extent. I was only planning on ordering like a month's supply at a time. Like 30 or 60 pills. I don't really think I'll be using it daily, anyway. If I did, I'd probably take half of a dose. I know a lot of people who abuse ritalin and adderall to get an edge, and people talk about this stuff like it provides the focus that amphetamine and methylphenidate does, without the high, cns effects and risk of addiction. Can you say perfect? It seems that it makes you feel good, but not euphoric. There's definately a difference. I think of it as being in a natural-feeling good state of mood, when you would ordinarily be neutral feeling. Most people stay pretty neutral most of the day when nothing happy or sad is going on. But, others say it's like good, strong coffee without the shakes. Individual responses, I guess. I don't feel bad about taking something to get an edge. If others wanted to do the same, they have the opportunity. If I was taking speed I'd feel pretty bad, but that's not what I'm doing. I just want to be legit, which is why I thought Adrafinil was a good idea since I don't need a script, and have blood work done anyway (I get ALL levels of EVERYTHING checked once a year because my thyroid is pretty much dead lol. Been taking hormones for it since I was about in the sixth grade! I also take many pills (propecia, wellbutrin, albuterol, singulair, hydroxyzine, etc. All for legit reasons and from a real doctor) so I have to make sure I'm healthy. If my liver function is a bit off and he's concerned, I'll tell him what I'm taking. I can order all the adrafinil I can swallow from my understanding, without a prescription, and it's totally legal. I'll say that if Modafinil is healthier, I'd like a prescription for that. He's pretty loose with his prescription pad, but I'd still feel nervous asking for anything controlled when I clearly am not narcoleptic, and my real reason is so I can get an edge over the competition. Especially since he knows I want to be a doctor. He might have an "Well if I can do you without drugs, YOU can do it without drugs!" attitude. That's why I don't want to flat out ask for a script for Modafinil. He's a great doc and I've seen for years and years, and I don't want to introduce any awkward feelings or suspicion of anything.

HPY86, if you use western union it's pretty much anonymous. Or ask of you can use a money order or one of those prepaid credit cards you can get at pretty much any wal-mart, drug store, etc. Ask if you can send a money order, or if you're really paranoid cash (although I don't recommend cash). No reason for your parents to know what you do with they money as long as they give it to you to use at your own discretion. Personally I'll be using my own cash from my job. My parents already pay for everything. College, health and (one I get a car) auto insurance, medication, pretty much every necessity, I just have a job for my own spending money.

It wasn't so much any one country I was worried about, except China for obvious reasons. India seems to be legit as I will definately look into Quality Health! Nootropics seem AWESOME. So clean, and apparently they really work. It's like we're getting a sneak peak into the future of lifestyle drugs. Neato.I don't believe it will ever be OTC. It's my understanding that Adrafinil last longer that Modafinil. Since it's a produg, it's metabolized into Modafinil, so you feel the Modafinil even though you take the Adrafinil. Taking Modafinil just skips the middleman and saves your liver the hassle of breaking Adrafinil into Modafinil. I think of it as delayed released Modafinil. Looked it up and Adrafinil isn't approved for use in the US, and since it'ss obviously not a schedule I drug, they can't regulate something they haven't approved for use. In other words, no one is supposed to take it because it's not approved, but if you decide to that's your business. You're taking your health into your own hands and can't complain when something bad happens. Wikipedia says "Adrafinil was discovered in the late 1970s by scientists working with the French pharmaceutical company Group Lafon. The drug was first offered as an experimental treatment for narcolepsy in France in 1986. Later on, Lafon scientists developed modafinil as a stand-alone drug because the latter drug was understood to be a more highly selective alpha-1 adrenergic and also featured less in the way of side effects such as stomach pain, skin irritations, feelings of tension, and an increase in liver enzyme levels." It ALSO explicitly states that Adrafinil is not under DEA jurisdiction, and may be imported by private citizens for individual use without a prescription. Modafinil is probably controlled because if it wasn't, let's face it, everyone who knew about it would probably take it, but it is so the next best thing is Adrafinil. Most people have never heard of either, anyway. Unless they saw The Invasion.

It also says it's metabolites contain sulphur, so it makes your urine smell funky lmao. I also thought about trying Racetams, but they seem more like supplements that real drugs. I'm kind of iffy about taking supplements. Kind of like drink Chamomile tea to become sleepy when you could take Benadryl instead.... Maybe I'm totally wrong and need to try them before I judge. I feel so pharmacologically transhumanist talking about this stuff.

Edited by NootropicNewb, 18 July 2008 - 03:28 PM.


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Posted 18 July 2008 - 04:12 PM

Great! I will now order the smallest possible order of Olmifon (adrafinil) from http://www.qhi.co.uk...asp?i=Adrafinil , which is the Quality Health company in UK. Does anyone know any other company that beats their price?

Thanks to the above advice, I won't use the credit cards my parents gave me, because it looks like the currency amount will show up as Euros. I usually spend much more than a single order of $50 per month with credit cards, so my parents won't even ask any q on many things i order, but the currency showing up as Euros instead of Dollars all the way down the billing statement might make them wonder what the heck i'm ordering from Europe.

I will go to a grocery/gas station and get a Money Order and place it through snail mail I guess. I believe Quality Health gives a 6% DISCOUNT if paying by cash/check/money order, the only thing i'm afraid is that it will take MUCH LONGER with mail order rather than online with credit card and i'd like to get the drug ASAP (anyone used Quality Health before and know how long the wait is? They ship from UK right? I live in New York state, so it's just across the atlantic), and I wonder if there will be order confirmations.

I've never used Money Order on anything before and I'm not sure about the process, so if my envelope gets lost, don't know what happens then, would that mean i'd lose the ~$50 cash? At least Olmifon (adrafinil) won't be seized like modafinil possibly could, haha, so it's completely legal

Edited by HYP86, 18 July 2008 - 04:30 PM.


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Posted 18 July 2008 - 04:39 PM

If schedule IV drugs aren't a bit deal to order, and the worst that can happen is you get a letter saying it was seized and that's that, what keeps people from ordering Xanax and Phentermine or another drugs of that nature online without worry?

Fear is the main deterrent there. Small quantities of schedule IV drugs, including things like benzodiazepines, will not result in anything more than a warning letter 99% of the time. Couple that with the very infrequent seizure rate of discreetly packed shipments and the absolute risk of any negative consequence is truly quite low.

Edited by FunkOdyssey, 18 July 2008 - 04:40 PM.


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Posted 18 July 2008 - 08:08 PM

Modafinil is only schedule IV and like Funk says, the risk of modafinil is very low. I don't think anyone would get in legal trouble as long as the amount is less than 90 days' supply.

http://www.smart-pub...es/overseas.php
"Thanks to AIDS activists it has been legal for several years in the United States to order, for personal use, a 3 month supply of non-Schedule I or II drugs, from overseas. Often, the overseas pharmacies have products that are unavailable in the U.S. and the quality is the same as that from any U.S. pharmacy. "

http://www.smart-pub...es/overseas.php
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Posted 18 July 2008 - 11:47 PM

I once took 7 adrafinil pills at once and i STILL fell asleep.

(also I'm 100 pounds too)

so blehhh, that didn't work. :(:(:(
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 04:59 AM

I once took 7 adrafinil pills at once and i STILL fell asleep.

(also I'm 100 pounds too)

so blehhh, that didn't work. :(:(:(



Was that about the only time you tried that large of a dosage? It's certainly discouraging, 7 200mg pills and you still fell asleep, slept straght for hours? that's about 2 days worth, and also their site says it may work better on some w/ less dosage and less effects.

I read on wikipedia that adrafinil is supposedly a slow-acting drug since the liver has to metabolize and convert it to modafinil in vivo. It'd take 45-60 minutes. Modafinil is heck a lot more expensive than adrafinil probably b/c moda is quicker-acting and less side effects.

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 03:36 AM

Anyone else have any experience? That story IS disheartening!

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 12:03 PM

As someone else mentioned, a large dose may be counterproductive, and could make you feel more tired. It's important not to overdo it on this one. I find that 1/4 or 1/2 of a tablet (50-100mg) is effective. Sometimes more. I found that after some time of consistent use, that it did not work for me any more, but it did again after I took a break. I have seen it work, and I have seen it not work. I don't know of Modafinil is any better.

Anyone else have any experience? That story IS disheartening!



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Posted 22 July 2008 - 12:07 PM

Also, to describe the effects: It is like you just had a very effective nap. You are wide awake. If you are going on little sleep, then your body will still feel tired, but you will have the mental capacity to deal with people and respond to situations. You may not be aware that it's working at all times, but when you have to act, you'll be able to draw on that energy. You could easily fall asleep, but if you're in a situation that demands being awake, then you won't let yourself fall asleep, and the adrafinil helps with that. Personally, I don't experience much of a nootropic effect, but it will let you keep what smarts you may already have when you're tired.

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 01:00 PM

Also, to describe the effects: It is like you just had a very effective nap. You are wide awake. If you are going on little sleep, then your body will still feel tired, but you will have the mental capacity to deal with people and respond to situations. You may not be aware that it's working at all times, but when you have to act, you'll be able to draw on that energy. You could easily fall asleep, but if you're in a situation that demands being awake, then you won't let yourself fall asleep, and the adrafinil helps with that. Personally, I don't experience much of a nootropic effect, but it will let you keep what smarts you may already have when you're tired.


i've heard ppl say when they take 1-2 hr nap on adrafinil, it makes them feel like they slept a full 8 hours and take on all the mental challenges of another day. If only sleeping a 2 hours per night for 5 weeknights straight (10 hours for 5 days), the person should survive just fine, then b/c it doesn't interfere with sleep/REM like caffiene, can easily sleep again and catch up on weekend. That way, a hard week is easily conquered!

no nootropic effect? i didn't expect it to increase smarts, but do the real nootropics like racetams increase smarts temporarily, like increasing IQ?

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 12:53 PM

In my personal experience, it's best saved for a rainy-day when you have to function after sleep-deprivation. Used continuously, it loses its effectiveness for me after a couple of days, and could even make me more drowsy at that point.

I recommend you drop any ambitions to be uber-mensch and stay up all the time. This is not a sleep replacement. Your body will still feel like crap if you don't sleep, and your mind will be filled with garbage after a while, because sleep is there to process your daytime activities. It might make you awake, but that doesn't mean you can think very well.



Also, to describe the effects: It is like you just had a very effective nap. You are wide awake. If you are going on little sleep, then your body will still feel tired, but you will have the mental capacity to deal with people and respond to situations. You may not be aware that it's working at all times, but when you have to act, you'll be able to draw on that energy. You could easily fall asleep, but if you're in a situation that demands being awake, then you won't let yourself fall asleep, and the adrafinil helps with that. Personally, I don't experience much of a nootropic effect, but it will let you keep what smarts you may already have when you're tired.


i've heard ppl say when they take 1-2 hr nap on adrafinil, it makes them feel like they slept a full 8 hours and take on all the mental challenges of another day. If only sleeping a 2 hours per night for 5 weeknights straight (10 hours for 5 days), the person should survive just fine, then b/c it doesn't interfere with sleep/REM like caffiene, can easily sleep again and catch up on weekend. That way, a hard week is easily conquered!

no nootropic effect? i didn't expect it to increase smarts, but do the real nootropics like racetams increase smarts temporarily, like increasing IQ?



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Posted 28 September 2013 - 08:06 AM

Adrafinil is over rated, I have found phenlypiracetam to be much more effective.




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