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[Julia36]

I'm taking a lot of battering on this as a determinist.

I dont see that we know enough about the quantum world to attest it's non-causal. Futher..if something has laws it is necessarily causal. ie laws = determinism

Any help?

[Mind]

Here is a great old Longecity discussion about this topic. A great paper and good discussion.

[Julia36]

Thanks Mind. Afraid it's gibberish. Quantum indeterminacy is a play on words. If the system has laws that means it is causal.

Free will has got nothing to do with the quantum world & is muddled thinking by untrained philosophers.
There's just not enough known about the quantum world to interest me and I dont think it acceptable Relativity and Quantum Theory are in conflict.
yet, despite following it's NB >>>laws<<< (which make it determinate).

I think I'm too unlearned to debate this yet.

Edited by stopgam, 15 December 2012 - 01:06 AM.

[Julia36]

I annoyed a couple of brights including a great physics nobel prize winner to straighten me out.

I'm right

1. The quantum world, like everything in Nature is ABSOLUTELY determined.

2. There isn't 2.