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[Forever21]

when you cook salmon with white wine, how much alcohol is lost?

[Michael]

Here is a nice table describing how to calculate alcohol Calories burned off by cooking. To determine how many of the Calories in your beverage come from alcohol vs carbs, look in your nutrition software -- the carb Calories don't evaporate .

[Forever21]

I didn't make this thread by the way. The original source of this was the Methionine thread. But thanks moderator if you think its for the best. I wanted to know if methionine in the body would be decreased if you cook meat in alcohol.

That is true but they also drink a lot of wine (alcohol)

The author of the book that I read says that our body uses Methionine to destroy alcohol in the alcohol metabolism.
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The French paradox is: French people eat a lot of animal food as many other population buy because they drink a lot of wine the alcohol in this wine reduces the damage caused by the large quantity of Methionine this is why they have less problems.
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High Animal Food diet + alcohol >>>> small quantity of Methionine because it is used to destroy alcahol = less damage
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Methionine & Alcohol
http://www.imminst.o...ion-t24701.html

Thanks Michael. At 85% a poached salmon in white wine is looking pretty good.

Edited by Forever21, 19 July 2009 - 11:08 PM.

[Michael]

All:

I wanted to know if methionine [MR's emphasis] in the body would be decreased if you cook meat in alcohol.

Well, then, you shoulda said that, instead of (my emphasis) "when you cook salmon with white wine, how much alcohol is lost?"

Methionine & Alcohol

The author of the book that I read says that our body uses Methionine to destroy alcohol in the alcohol metabolism.

This could explain why a moderate quantity of alcohol is good.

The French paradox is: French people eat a lot of animal food as many other population buy because they drink a lot of wine the alcohol in this wine reduces the damage caused by the large quantity of Methionine this is why they have less problems.

We can summarise this with

High animal food diet >>>>> large quantity of Methionine = high damage

High Animal Food diet + alcohol >>>> small quantity of Methionine because it is used to destroy alcahol = less damage

First, I think you're misunderstood our friend, here. He's not saying that EtOH destroys Met, but that Met is consumed by metaboizing EtOH, so that the amount available is lower creating (he argues) postingestive, metabolic MetR.

This is, to my mind, transparently nonsense,, first because (as I and others have repeatedly emphasized) MetR requires a radical, growth-impairing level of reduction, not some petty nipping like this would arguably be, and second because it's unlikely that using Met up in this way would be equivalent to not consuming it in the first place; indeed, using up Met by detoxification of EtOH seems likely to just do Bad Things to the body, to no particular benefit.

-Michael

[DrEvil]

The fact that the body uses methionine to digest alcohol makes a lot of sense to something I have been struggling with lately. I went on a diet and lost 4kg .. lots of fruit and vegetables and excercise. while doing this I noticed I could not handle alcohol. I would wake up in the middle of the night and feel terrible the next day.
I lost a further 2 kg and and ate very healthy , low animal fat, protein, little meat, almost no eggs and it got even worse..my body could not tolerate alcohol . Even small amounts ( 300 ml of wine) would make me wake me up in the middle of the night and make me feel awful and exhausted the next day . I had my liver checked out and it looked all fine but problem just got worse.

This would explain why I ( and lost of people get a craving for e.g eggs , ribs and other greasy food when drinking ) and why my body can tolerate alcohol a lot better in combination with meat..
I think I should either avoid alcohol or when drinking it combine my alcohol with my animal-protein intake .

So does the body actually require methionine to digest alcohol?

Edited by Michael, 18 April 2011 - 07:30 PM.
Removing needless quote

[stephen_b]

... and second because it's unlikely that using Met up in this way would be equivalent to not consuming it in the first place; indeed, using up Met by detoxification of EtOH seems likely to just do Bad Things to the body, to no particular benefit.

-Michael

But moderate consumption of alcohol already has been shown to have benefits. The mechanism isn't understood, but I thought that one serving per day was beneficial (ref).

[yoyo]

Is this a reason not to take NAC?

[Michael]

... and second because it's unlikely that using Met up in this way would be equivalent to not consuming it in the first place; indeed, using up Met by detoxification of EtOH seems likely to just do Bad Things to the body, to no particular benefit.

But moderate consumption of alcohol already has been shown to have benefits.

Sure -- but this isn't likely to be the mechanism thereof; rather, it's likely a mechanism one of the benefits of Met, that it contributes to detoxifying alcohol.

Is this a reason not to take NAC?

You mean, for reasons other than hepatoprotection against acetaminophen? Yes. There aren't really many good reasons to take it in the first place, and it certainly 'counts' toward the Met+Cys total. And there's studies like this ...

[Sillewater]

But moderate consumption of alcohol already has been shown to have benefits. The mechanism isn't understood, but I thought that one serving per day was beneficial (ref).

How bout some red wine


Nutr Metab Cardiovasc Dis. 2011 Jan;21(1):46-53. Epub 2009 Oct 12.
Moderate consumption of red wine, but not gin, decreases erythrocyte superoxide dismutase activity: a randomised cross-over trial.
Estruch R, Sacanella E, Mota F, Chiva-Blanch G, Antúnez E, Casals E, Deulofeu R, Rotilio D, Andres-Lacueva C, Lamuela-Raventos RM, de Gaetano G, Urbano-Marquez A.