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Posted 17 January 2015 - 11:41 AM
The other product clearly stated Laganeria. MenDIs stated he has issues. Almost all bulk powders we all buy at cheap prices all came from China so not everything is bad about China. Almost everything we buy these days are Made in China. Just find the right products.
Posted 17 January 2015 - 06:37 PM
that powder is suspicious. it clearly says made in china and anything made in china is always bad quality. why would you trust that to be actual source? another person complained of this powder and yet you just go do just that, get the same crap
It seems like the source stated on the bottle is the actual source (Guangdong Yifang pharmaceuticals) since they claim to sell similar granule extracts on their site and there are pictures of extracts with the exact same packaging [1]
This is what they have to say for their quality control: "Yifang is GMP certificated by the TGA of Australia in 1999, and passed re-audit in 2001, 2003, 2006, 2008 and 2010, and GMP certificated by the China's SFDA since 2003, passed re-audit in 2008. Relying on the strong R&D support from Guangdong TCM Research Institute, Yifang have produced the 600 TCM standardized single granules, 600 botanical extracts, 160 TCM traditional classic formulas and herbal teas etc. Our products have been exported to the United States, Canada, Australia, Switzerland, United Kingdom, France, Germany, Malaysia, New Zealand, Hong Kong and Singapore etc. more than 20 countries and regions."
Even still, I would be wary of adulteration/contamination as with any supplement that you buy anywhere, even here in the states. You simply can't know for certain that any supplement you buy isn't contaminated with something. Your best shot is to use a reputable brand that has had its products consistently tested by a third party lab.
No one on this forum has "complained" of this powder, to my knowledge. The Brain said he/she tried 3g and couldn't feel anything.
[1] http://www.e-fong.co...lass=38&lang=en
Edited by MenDis, 17 January 2015 - 06:55 PM.
Posted 18 January 2015 - 08:27 AM
Are people expecting Chaenomeles Speciosa to be like an amphetamine or something? It clearly doesn't work that way I'm assuming. It's a plant source. The only plant source that are very amphetamine like (that I know of) is khat. It is illegal though. Ephedra could be another one plant source as well. As far as Chaenomeles Speciosa, what are the effects to look for to see if it is inhibiting DAT? Does it work slowly the more you take it, is it as subtle as some nootropics (i.e. noopept, etc.)?
Not to knock any of the products, but how does one exactly figure out if these products are working? These are not exactly steroids, amphetamines or niacin where you can see effects sooner than later.
For the record though, I think what TheBrain tried was the Laganeria species, by order mistake.
The Quince product I am using (Chaenomeles Speciosa) is from this company Flower Essence Services:
http://www.fesflower...&products_id=75
Chaenomeles speciosa (red)
Positive qualities: Loving strength and firm loving; integration of masculine initiating power and feminine nurturing qualities.
Patterns of imbalance: Inability to catalyze or reconcile strength and power with affection and tenderness; dysfunctional or inconsistent parenting or leadership behavior.
Do these descriptions imply Quince act on the dopamine (that's already known but what do you think the product is trying to say here)?
The company is having a 35% off sale till tomorrow I think.
Edited by eon, 18 January 2015 - 09:27 AM.
Posted 18 January 2015 - 01:43 PM
Posted 18 January 2015 - 07:44 PM
One would expect a substance containing a sufficiently bioavailable and BBB crossing dopamine reuptake inhibitor (whether natural or synthetic) to have similar cognitive effects to other substances known to operate through the same mechanism (i.e. methylphenidate). Dopamine reuptake inhibitors are prescribed in order to enhance the deficits in self-regulatory function (e.g., inhibition, motivation, and memory) and executive function (e.g., reasoning, organizing, problem solving, and planning) associated with ADHD [1]. There is at least some evidence that they are effective in this regard in addition to being somewhat effective at enhancing these functions in healthy individuals. I recall reading several studies showing that methylphenidate increases working memory in healthy individuals.
[1] http://en.wikipedia....Methylphenidate
Posted 18 January 2015 - 07:59 PM
eon,
It sounds like the product description is possibly reiterating how it was traditionally used in TCM. Not sure. The statements seem to be consistent with some effects of DRIs, namely a better ability to lead (executive functions) and enhanced sexual function. I know dopamine has some role in GnRH secretion from the hypothalamus, which drives gonadotropin and as a result hormone production.
Posted 19 January 2015 - 06:46 AM
If these same descriptions apply to Chaenomeles Speciosa then that should be interesting but I don't notice any stimulation from Quince. This could be due to it being a plant source unlike the rest of the DRIs known.
Also, Modafinil is said to be a weak DRI, not sure where it ranks in comparison to Quince. I'm sure Modafinil wins in the stimulant department, but a weak DRI.
One would expect a substance containing a sufficiently bioavailable and BBB crossing dopamine reuptake inhibitor (whether natural or synthetic) to have similar cognitive effects to other substances known to operate through the same mechanism (i.e. methylphenidate). Dopamine reuptake inhibitors are prescribed in order to enhance the deficits in self-regulatory function (e.g., inhibition, motivation, and memory) and executive function (e.g., reasoning, organizing, problem solving, and planning) associated with ADHD [1]. There is at least some evidence that they are effective in this regard in addition to being somewhat effective at enhancing these functions in healthy individuals. I recall reading several studies showing that methylphenidate increases working memory in healthy individuals.
Posted 19 January 2015 - 03:29 PM
As I mentioned before about the quince fruit I bought at Walmart, I've finally eaten the peel and I think it's meant to be edible. It wasn't weird at all, more like an apple's skin actually. I was hesitating at first and only ate the inner part.
Posted 20 January 2015 - 01:05 PM
Well I didn't know you could eat the peel... I didn't want to turn into an Adam & Eve, which is why I was hesitating at first. I got tempted to finally eat the peel. 
i brought chickpeas at walmart with dried out tiny worms. you sure that was reasonable....
Edited by eon, 20 January 2015 - 01:06 PM.
Posted 20 January 2015 - 04:03 PM
I e-mailed the Flowering Essence Services company that has the Chaenomeles Speciosa product. This is what they had to say:
"Please take note that flower essences are different than tinctures. The forum that you referred to (longecity) mentions the serum. Though Quince flower essence is from flowering quince, it is prepared differently from the serum and therefore does not have the same metabolic properties as the serum. Therefore, the effect of using flower essences will be very different from the effect of taking the serum."
So what is this serum? I had to e-mail them back again as I didn't understand what they were implying. So their product is not a serum. It is Chaenomeles Speciosa though. Are they trying to say, for Quince to inhibit DAT, it must be a serum? The company stated their products are different than tinctures, so what is it then? Are they trying to say the product on amazon.com is the serum and is what I should be looking into then?
This? http://www.amazon.co...t/dp/B00415MJTA
Edited by eon, 20 January 2015 - 04:08 PM.
Posted 20 January 2015 - 04:55 PM
when something is called an "extract" I was expecting it to be in liquid form (i.e. something "extracted" from the source), but isn't this product a dry herbal form? Is it from the leaves of the Quince tree? Is it the fruit? Flowers?
This is what you guys want, a real actual link to the Chaenomeles Speciosa extract:
lol thats flower essense. you dont need the flowers for an effect, even less so their "essense" in fucking drops. the price is good indication of this shit!
Posted 21 January 2015 - 07:30 AM
I e-mailed the Flowering Essence Services company that has the Chaenomeles Speciosa product. This is what they had to say:
"Please take note that flower essences are different than tinctures. The forum that you referred to (longecity) mentions the serum. Though Quince flower essence is from flowering quince, it is prepared differently from the serum and therefore does not have the same metabolic properties as the serum. Therefore, the effect of using flower essences will be very different from the effect of taking the serum."
So what is this serum? I had to e-mail them back again as I didn't understand what they were implying. So their product is not a serum. It is Chaenomeles Speciosa though. Are they trying to say, for Quince to inhibit DAT, it must be a serum? The company stated their products are different than tinctures, so what is it then? Are they trying to say the product on amazon.com is the serum and is what I should be looking into then?
its tricky legal way of backing off the heat of not working and being unreliable source of any proposed benefit. they didnt admit straight forward it sucks, they just convoluted as to seem explainatory.
Posted 10 March 2015 - 08:43 PM
What do you people think of Amineptine as a DRI? It was listed as a DRI but it's also a TCA (tricyclic antidepressant). It is unscheduled so I don't know who would be selling it. Although Tianeptine seem to have replaced it:
"Another example of an interesting TCA is amineptine which is the only one believed to function as a DRI. Although this used to be available it is no longer available now and was replaced with tianeptine instead." Wiki
Aside from Chaenomeles Speciosa, there are some other listed natural DRIs that I haven't seen before on the wiki page such as:
"Desmethoxyyangonin is a reversible inhibitor of monoamine oxidase B (MAO-B).[1] Kava is able to increase dopamine levels in the nucleus accumbens[2] and desmethoxyyangonin likely contributes to this effect. This, along with the potential increases of serotonin and other catecholamine concentrations, may be responsible for the purported attention-promoting effects of kava."
http://en.wikipedia....methoxyyangonin
I know I love Kava!
I'm not familiar with these 2 yet: Oroxylum indicum and Scutellaria baicalensis (Skullcap). This type of Skullcap is hard to find. I could only find one seller so far (Dragon Herbs). The Skullcap being sold mostly is the common "lateriflora" species.
The Chaenomeles Speciosa product I tried may not have been the type or form I should have tried but I shall give it another chance. I was sick when I tried it so I had to stop so I can get on my cold medications. I will try it again, but I think the Mu Gua product talked about here that's sold on Amazon is the product I should be trying to begin with.
Edited by eon, 10 March 2015 - 08:51 PM.
Posted 11 March 2015 - 02:46 AM
Amineptine... good luck getting a hold of it. I and a number of others here and on reddit have been begging vendors to carry it, but none of them seem interested. I think there is some source that sells it at some utterly ridiculous price on the internet, but other than that you'd probably have to have a custom synthesis done. FYI, I've never tried it and it gets mixed reviews like a lot of other drugs.
Posted 11 March 2015 - 05:27 AM
Amineptine seem to have evolved to Tianeptine, which is available everywhere. Amineptine has abuse potential which is why I think it's not a good idea for vendors to carry it, everyone would abuse it and the vendor would get sued. In case you didn't hear the news, the person that "OD'd" and died on caffeine powders, well that person's family is suing amazon.com. Whatever happened to individual responsibility? I bet the vendor had to be one of the places we all buy bulk powders from too. They all sell on amazon.
Posted 11 March 2015 - 05:57 PM
I have tried an extract of Chaenomeles Speciosa three years ago, still have what is left over. It did nothing what so ever of benefit at that time. It also was in no way stimulating, but rather slightly sedating. I ordered it from phytoextractum, a company I have been buying high quality plant extracts from for over 12 years. They still show the product on their webpage but for the last few years I notice it is always "sold out." I think he did not make more of the extract since it did not benefit anyone, but not sure about that. TCM Chinese medicine combine Sweet Nakai with other plants, and synergy may be where it's efficacy emerges.
Posted 11 March 2015 - 08:48 PM
I believe someone here mentioned that the fruit as well would have some DRI activity, maybe not much. I've tried it but it wasn't like it was an amphetamine. Maybe the Flowering Essence Services product may have some DRI activity, but just not noticeable enough.
People have looked for the product everywhere and when they do find it it's sold out. Here's another company that has it but sold out so I made a request to make it available:
http://bridgecitybul...-extract-powder
I e-mailed the Flowering Essence Services company that has the Chaenomeles Speciosa product. This is what they had to say:
"Please take note that flower essences are different than tinctures. The forum that you referred to (longecity) mentions the serum. Though Quince flower essence is from flowering quince, it is prepared differently from the serum and therefore does not have the same metabolic properties as the serum. Therefore, the effect of using flower essences will be very different from the effect of taking the serum."
So what is this serum? I had to e-mail them back again as I didn't understand what they were implying. So their product is not a serum. It is Chaenomeles Speciosa though. Are they trying to say, for Quince to inhibit DAT, it must be a serum? The company stated their products are different than tinctures, so what is it then? Are they trying to say the product on amazon.com is the serum and is what I should be looking into then?
its tricky legal way of backing off the heat of not working and being unreliable source of any proposed benefit. they didnt admit straight forward it sucks, they just convoluted as to seem explainatory.
Edited by eon, 11 March 2015 - 09:02 PM.
Posted 12 March 2015 - 08:54 AM
So Chaenomeles Speciosa is Mu Gua in Chinese. Oroxylum indicum is Mu Hu Die:
http://www.amazon.co...words=mu hu die
If anyone here's ever tried it how does it compare to Mu Gua and is the DRI effect potent?
Posted 31 March 2015 - 11:49 AM
Does anyone think this mu gua product is any good:
http://qiherbs.com/mu-gua.html
or this:
http://qiherbs.com/m...a-granules.html
The company didn't state if it's chaenomeles speciosa because it could be chaenomeles laganeria.
Who wants to guinea pig it for all of us? It;s only about $8 for 1 pound. Not sure how to use this exactly, does it need to be steeped like tea?
Edited by eon, 31 March 2015 - 12:01 PM.
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Posted 05 August 2018 - 07:00 PM
How are people saying this is the dating when it’s a DAT inhibitor? I just got my bottle but crap I don’t want to try it if it’s gonna make me tired. LOL I was hoping this would be a good supplement to help restore dopamine from Adderall use yet still give Adderall like energy in a way.
Did you get to try this yet John? How was it, if so? If not, please try it and let us know how it went. Everyone's experiences are different and since you already have it you might as well try it at least once...beware of the nocebo effect tho if you're expecting it to make you tired 
Posted 05 August 2018 - 07:04 PM
Did you get to try this yet John? How was it, if so? If not, please try it and let us know how it went. Everyone's experiences are different and since you already have it you might as well try it at least once...beware of the nocebo effect tho if you're expecting it to make you tired
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