11 replies to this topic

[edvelez.g]

Hi everyone,

Recently I was poisoned by an MD with a course of CIPRO. I have been
trying to put myself back together again with supplements and some self physical therapy.
I have mostly tendon issues. I have bought the following supplements:

- SuperCissus (Starting it today)
http://www.amazon.co...ils_o00_s00_i00

- Ionic Magnesium, (before was taking Magnesium Citrate). Heard that this one has
even better absorption

- Glucosamine and Chondroitin
- MSM
- Vitamin C
- Vitamin D3

- Alpha Lipoic Acid
- N Actetil Cysteine (NAC)
- COQ-10 + L-carnitine (http://www.drugstore...6&aparam=321742)
- Fish oil

I do not have a regimen for taking them, but I am wanting to create one.
My sort of regimen goes like this:

- I take fish oil in the morning with cranberry juice and some home-made
jello. (I do this because it gives me heartburn at night). I usually take
my probiotic pill, and vitamin D3 as well.

- Vitamin C when I remember throughout the day

- Glucosamine & Chondroitin + MSM when I remember with a meal.

- COQ-10 + L-carnitine at night along with NAC or ALA. I am not sure
if I could take all 3 together.

I guess what I want to know is.. which of the supplements I have are ok to
take together or provide a nicer synergetic effect when taking together.
And probably most importantly which not to take together.

Any ideas and advice of good regimens are welcome.

Ed

[nameless]

Ionic magnesium? Isn't that just magnesium chloride? I expect it's not better regarding absorption than mag citrate is.

Be aware that NAC has some potential nasty issues associated with it, including pulmonary hypertension. I probably wouldn't recommend that. CoQ10 is best taken with fats, so probably better to take it after dinner. Taking it at night may also cause a little insomnia for some. I don't see CoQ10 helping with tendon issues, so will assume you are taking it for other reasons.

Edited by nameless, 04 May 2012 - 06:21 PM.

[edvelez.g]

Yes you are right I think... because it has much more chloride than magnesium on the ingredients

So do you think the COQ-10 + Omega 3 oil combo would work ok?

On NAC .. I have noticed some strange things that maybe coincidental or triggered by it. One of my tonsils got swollen, with what appeared to be a canker sore in it. But then.. I have taken it other times without major problems.

Ed

Edited by edvelez.g, 04 May 2012 - 06:27 PM.

[nameless]

Omega 3s (within reason) can help with inflammation, so it may potentially help with tendon problems a little.

CoQ10... may be okay if you are older, or have a heart or mitochondrial disease. I am not aware of any tendon benefits from it.

I'd go high-ish with magnesium, 600mg or so, for a while and see if that helps. Things like Cissus I have no ideas about, as I never looked into it before. A couple of people here have had problems with NAC, so maybe do a lookup if curious. It doesn't seem to be worth the risk to me.

Edited by nameless, 04 May 2012 - 07:23 PM.

[edvelez.g]

Omega 3s (within reason) can help with inflammation, so it may potentially help with tendon problems a little.

CoQ10... may be okay if you are older, or have a heart or mitochondrial disease. I am not aware of any tendon benefits from it.

I'd go high-ish with magnesium, 600mg or so, for a while and see if that helps. Things like Cissus I have no ideas about, as I never looked into it before. A couple of people here have had problems with NAC, so maybe do a lookup if curious. It doesn't seem to be worth the risk to me.

Well from what I read is that it has helped with some of the Levaquin Tendonitis symptoms. That, I read it from "The levaquin tendonitis solution" ebook. Mainly what caught my attention was "It's a powerful intracellular antioxidant that protects DNA from damage". I mean.. I already have the substance, and it has L-carnitine as well which helps the nervous system from what I understand. I do have very mild.. but nonetheless prickling and electric tiny shocks in my hands from time to time.

Taking COQ-10 + L-carnitine with Omega 3s doesn't hurt. does it?

A comment on why I was taking NAC (at night with cranberry juice):


"Recently, N-acetylcysteine, a mucolytic agent, seems to be providing good results among some floxed persons, especially among
those recently intoxicated. It must be due to its vasodilator effects as it is indicated for treatments of ischemic of vasculitic
toxicities. It has a low toxic profile." -- based on an article written by floxed victims :( from antibiotics.

Thank you for your comments.

Ed

Edited by edvelez.g, 04 May 2012 - 07:47 PM.

[nameless]

CoQ10 + Omega 3s won't hurt you, unless you are megadosing insane amounts. I recommend sticking to normal amounts for now. One issue with starting so many things at once is, if something helps, you'll have no idea which supplement it was that helped.

[smithx]

Try to avoid quinolones. They cause long term damage to connective tissue. As you have apparently found, they do this by depleting magnesium in the tissue.

You can to some extent, but not fully ameliorate this through magnesium supplementation, but note that if you take magnesium along with Cipro, it will bind to the Cipro and prevent it from being absorbed properly.

So take the Cipro in the morning, then wait at least 2 or more hours, then take the magnesium. Do the same thing in the evening.

[edvelez.g]

I am not taking that stuff anymore, stopped at the 10th pill. I'm trying to repair the long term damage it did . My dumbass doctor prescribed it for something that I wasn't even sure it was an infection because the tests came back negative for a bacterial infection. I would have rather not been prescribed anything. He prescribed this bomb, and now I am stuck with tendinopathies in my right arm and right foot that I am trying to heal somehow. I have been spending a lot of money on supplements, and stuff to try to get better.

Healing is elusive right now. I feel pain on and off, and an itching sensation on where my tendons where hurting (possibly scar tissue forming in microtears in my tendons). I have been wanting to exert myself again as I used too, but I fear it may be too early and I might aggravate the tendon damage I have. I think I'll wait for 3 months, hoping that they are healed then.

Edited by edvelez.g, 20 May 2012 - 05:23 PM.

[Adaptogen]

I was put on Cipro as well as bactrim for a case of folliculitis/cellulitis (put on bactrim to cover mrsa, although i highly doubt i have it). Im returning to the doctor tomorrow..should I try and get a different antibiotic? If so which would be suitable..doxycycline?

Edited by Adaptogen, 21 October 2013 - 04:33 AM.

[hamishm00]

Long term damage done by ten pills of Cipro? Presumably this is a self diagnosis with the help of the Internet. That's the road to ruin. Plus, your regimen looks like a waste of money to me if you are actually intending to use it to ameliorate this self diagnosed damage.

[thughes]

Tendonitis is a known risk factor with Cipro, hence the black box warning about it.

See for eg: http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2921747/

Does appear to happen to some people even with short term use (according to that link). Probably should see a doctor about the damage...

Edited by thughes, 22 October 2013 - 03:55 PM.

[hamishm00]

Yes it is, but because your tendons start hurting after taking CIPRO doesn't mean that it's the CIPRO. It's quite possible it could be the CIPRO, or that CIPRO could be one of the causes of a multifactoral cause of the tendon problem. The tendon problem may very well not be tendonitis, and my point was that if you self diagnose yourself as having tendonitis because your tendons are hurting at some point in time after you took CIPRO, you are making a mistake. If the problem is serious enough, get specialist help.