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#1 crusader

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:36 PM


in the "treating anxiety safely and effectively" post by science guy, he sites myo-inositol has a way to treat anxiety, specifically by up-regulating seratonin receptors. now i have seen many "inositol" supplements, and i have only found ONE myo-inositol version, and even on this supplement, on the ingredients section, it just says "inositol powder".



do you guys have any sources proving a major difference between the two? also, do you have any sources for the proper dosage for MYO-inositol, as opposed to just regular inositol?


im trying to treat my severe anxiety but im not just going to guess the dosage for the myo-inositol, or whether regular inositol can do the same thing (up-regulating seratonin receptors)


please let me know. this is frustrating and stressing me out.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 05:23 PM

Try this for severe anxiety, it cured me:

Completely eliminated my severe anxiety symptoms with three supplements! | Phoenix Rising ME / CFS Forums

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 10:49 PM

how did you take the tumeric? tincture or just use the actual herb (powder)? and what was the dosage?


i have actual tumeric powder but dont know how much 1000mg is

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 11:13 PM

how did you take the tumeric? tincture or just use the actual herb (powder)? and what was the dosage?


i have actual tumeric powder but dont know how much 1000mg is



I have turmeric herb powder (I bought a1 kg of turmeric powder very cheaply from an Asian store). If you scoop up just under a level teaspoon of turmeric powder, that will weight around 1000 mg.

Do also try the N-acetyl glucosamine — the anti-anxiety effect of that was miraculous for me. Not to be confused with glucosamine, which is different.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:14 AM

glucosamine is for joints. what does n-acetyl glucosamine does that is different ? this is strange thing to say that it helped your anxiety

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 03:43 AM

glucosamine is for joints. what does n-acetyl glucosamine does that is different ? this is strange thing to say that it helped your anxiety

I think my anxiety was caused by brain inflammation, and N-acetylglucosamine (NAG) has immunomodulatory effects (it reduces the Th17 response) and anti-inflammatory effects, which might explain why it has such a potent anti-anxiety action.

If you search the literature, you find no mention of NAG having anti-anxiety benefits; yet several people I know with severe anxiety found NAG very effective. I personally would put NAG on the top of the list of things to try, if you have severe anxiety disorder.


N-Acetyl Glucosamine - What You Need to Know

The NAG I usually buy is the Jarrow N-acetylglucosamine 120 x 750 mg capsules.

Edited by Hip, 15 May 2013 - 03:55 AM.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 04:44 AM

its not helpful for depression ? because that is what im concerned with

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 01:52 PM

glucosamine is for joints. what does n-acetyl glucosamine does that is different ? this is strange thing to say that it helped your anxiety

I think my anxiety was caused by brain inflammation, and N-acetylglucosamine (NAG) has immunomodulatory effects (it reduces the Th17 response) and anti-inflammatory effects, which might explain why it has such a potent anti-anxiety action.

If you search the literature, you find no mention of NAG having anti-anxiety benefits; yet several people I know with severe anxiety found NAG very effective. I personally would put NAG on the top of the list of things to try, if you have severe anxiety disorder.


N-Acetyl Glucosamine - What You Need to Know

The NAG I usually buy is the Jarrow N-acetylglucosamine 120 x 750 mg capsules.


I've tried the same NAG brand as you a few weeks ago ( I take 3x750mg at once ), and I was surprised to see it work quite fast in fact, I could feel it lowering my anxiety in less than 20 minutes. It worked pretty much every time I took it ( maybe 6 or 7 times ) and its effects lasted quite long, but somehow I found its anxiolytic effect not as helpful as I wished, and I can't quite figure out why. It's almost as if it is just anxiolytic on the surface, a bit more physically than mentally perhaps.
I haven't tried bigger dosages to see if it would work better, as I thought the 3x750mg was quite high already, but I'll give it another try later.

Like you, I couldn't find any studies explaining its anxiolytic effects, maybe you're right about the anti-inflammatory thing and the potential link sinus/brain, as I always had big sinusitis and allergy problems for years.

Edited by BlueCloud, 17 October 2013 - 01:54 PM.


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 02:13 PM

I've tried the same NAG brand as you a few weeks ago ( I take 3x750mg at once ), and I was surprised to see it work quite fast in fact, I could feel it lowering my anxiety in less than 20 minutes. It worked pretty much every time I took it ( maybe 6 or 7 times ) and its effects lasted quite long, but somehow I found its anxiolytic effect not as helpful as I wished, and I can't quite figure out why. It's almost as if it is just anxiolytic on the surface, a bit more physically than mentally perhaps.


Although NAG is effective, I also take a few other supplements at the same time. These other supplements also seem to have a good anti-anxiety (though not quite as potent as NAG, but useful nevertheless). Some of these other anti-anxiety I take are:

Flaxseed oil 15 ml daily
Turmeric (not curcumin) 1000 mg daily
Vitamin A 25,000 IU daily

When I take NAG with all these other anti-anxiety supplements, it pretty much eliminates my anxiety.

All of the above have anti-inflammatory actions, and I think this is their mode of action in reducing/eliminating anxiety.

I have two threads (on another forum) about all the best anti-anxiety supplements I found, which are here:

Completely eliminated my severe anxiety symptoms with three supplements!

Non-Standard Anti-Anxiety Treatment

All the anti-anxiety supplements I detail in these threads I discovered through years of trial and error, by literally testing out hundreds of different herbs and supplements. Only the ones I found worked well are listed in my threads

I hope these will be of some help to you.

Edited by Hip, 17 October 2013 - 02:16 PM.


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Posted 21 June 2016 - 07:34 AM

Thanks, I like this approach of brain inflammation. I will try this very soon. I am now on the happy stack, with uridine which is also an nmda blocker.

 

1 gram of turmeric is not much. I am taking 5 grams in the evening actually. It's rather nasty to drink in the morning.

I also take inositol and relora; that makes me relaxed. (and some more supps)

Are you having social anxiety also?



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Posted 21 June 2016 - 03:14 PM

Thanks, I like this approach of brain inflammation. I will try this very soon. I am now on the happy stack, with uridine which is also an nmda blocker.

 

1 gram of turmeric is not much. I am taking 5 grams in the evening actually. It's rather nasty to drink in the morning.

I also take inositol and relora; that makes me relaxed. (and some more supps)

Are you having social anxiety also?

 

For some people, more than 2 or 3 grams of turmeric per day can cause diarrhea. But if you can take 5 grams, great. I usually put the turmeric powder in my mouth using a spoon, and then swallow in one go by drinking some water.  

 

I did not have social anxiety in initially; I just had generalized anxiety disorder, triggered by a coxsackievirus B infection. But after around 5 years with GAD, some social anxiety appeared (I enjoy social activities, but when I come home, I start worrying about whether what I'd said had offended or upset people, and worry about what people thought of me — that I believe is a symptom of social anxiety). My social anxiety responds well to standard treatment with choline bitartrate 500 mg daily.

 

I sometimes use high dose transdermal magnesium cream (rubbed on the skin from head to toe) as an NMDA inhibitor for anxiety. You cannot take much magnesium orally because higher doses trigger diarrhea; but transdermally you can absorb a significant amount of magnesium, which I found noticeably reduces anxiety.

 

Would you have a reference for uridine being an NMDA inhibitor? I can't find any refs for this.



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Posted 21 June 2016 - 09:38 PM

ref = http://www.longecity...ne-uridine-dha/

http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/19039933#

 

Zinc is also an nmda inhibitor, this one I also take.

 

I'm sensitive to choline, it gives some hyperfocus and nervousness that is unpleasant.

Magnesium I take in the form of Mg oxide. 1 gram in the evening.

 

I'm reading your thread about 3 supps that cured anxiety. I'm willing to finish it this week and maybe start your approach in a month. If it doesn't work, it won't hurt for sure.

Yeah I have been taking turmeric for some years now. You don't feel it that good, maybe some faster healing. I never had intestine problems. Stuff stains a lot though! Don't you take it with bioperine for increased absorption?



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Posted 21 June 2016 - 09:48 PM

I have never noticed an anti-anxiety effect from zinc, whereas I do with high dose transdermal magnesium. But I expect with the transdermal magnesium, I may be absorbing something like 1 or 2 grams of magnesium. It's not safe to dose zinc that high. You need to keep to not more than around 30 mg of zinc daily.

 

I have IBS-D, and have to avoid spices and pepper. BioPerine is an extract from the black pepper, so might cause me digestive problems. It may be that much of the effect of turmeric comes from its anti-inflammatory action in the gut anyway, so absorption may not be an issue.

 



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Posted 23 June 2016 - 02:51 PM

Rubbing yourself with that cream every day is too much of a hassle. I'm now spending allready a considerable amount of time taking and preparing supplements. But you'll get used to that and to the flavours! I'm now even able to swallow multiple pills at once :p

 

Zinc is actually good, or it makes you feel good; it increases dopamine and testosterone. However it can upset your stomach!

 

Are you taking inositol too? This makes me bloat and fart real bad actually :O

 

BTW I love your experiments!! Are you still snorting arginine LOL :D

I'm actually really curious about that NAG!

 

Cheers!



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Posted 23 June 2016 - 04:25 PM

Rubbing yourself with that cream every day is too much of a hassle. I'm now spending allready a considerable amount of time taking and preparing supplements. But you'll get used to that and to the flavours! I'm now even able to swallow multiple pills at once 

 

It is a hassle, although I got it down to a fast technique (using a household cleaner spray bottle) that took just 60 seconds or so to administer. See this post.

 

Generalized anxiety disorder can be mild, moderate or severe (these are medically defined levels of anxiety): when you have severe GAD as I did, almost all of the days becomes focused on trying to reduce (usually unsuccessfully) the horrendous levels anxiety. So I was happy for any treatment that helped, and transdermal magnesium did noticeably help.

 

Once I found some more effective treatments such as N-acetyl-glucosamine, etc, I was then able to drop the transdermal magnesium protocol, although I will still use it sometimes on days when I feel some anxiety returning, where my usually daily set of anti-anxiety supplements are not quite keeping the anxiety under control. My theory is that the anxiety is caused by elevated levels of extracellular glutamate in the brain, deriving from brain inflammation. So my theory is that a bad is simply caused by an upsurge in neuroinflammation and the glutamate this inflammation produces.

 

My regular daily set of anti-anxiety supplements are: N-acetyl-glucosamine, flaxseed oil, turmeric and vinpocetine (vinpocetine must be taken with food, otherwise it's not well absorbed); usually that is enough to keep the anxiety fully eliminated. But when I get a bad day and the anxiety flairs higher, I will add some extra anti-anxiety supplements from my list

 

Typically on a bad day I will add:

 

Taurine powder 4 grams 

Arginine pyroglutamate powder 100 mg (intranasal by snorting)  
Magnesium (as saturated magnesium sulfate solution) all over body
Cetirizine (antihistamine)10 mg
 
The anti-anxiety effects of the above kick in with an hours or two. And usually I only use this extra anxiolytic boost for one day, just on bad days. 
 
If my IBS-D is bad (ie, if I get increased diarrhea, which I think tends increase intestinal inflammation), I may also add some supplements to calm and fix the gut, such as:
 
Saccharomyces boulardii 
Probiotics
Prebiotics
 
Though fixing the gut usually takes a day or two, I find, and so the reduction in anxiety levels it produces also appears on that timescale 

 

 


Are you taking inositol too? This makes me bloat and fart real bad actually :O

 

I seem to have no gut issues with high dose inositol (some people find it causes diarrhea), but these days I only take it if I have increased depression (which again I think may be brain inflammation-related). I take two heaped teaspoons of inositol powder. The effects only kick in after around 12 hours, I find, so if you take it in the evening, you will feel the benefits the next day.

 

 


BTW I love your experiments!! Are you still snorting arginine LOL :D

 

I'm actually really curious about that NAG!

 

I definitely seem to have the mad scientist gene. 

 

Snorting around 100 mg of arginine pyroglutamate powder is one of the fastest ways I have found to lower anxiety levels. If I take 1 heaped teaspoon (5 grams) of arginine pyroglutamate powder orally, it takes one or two hours before the anti-anxiety effects kick in (as per most of my anti-anxiety supplements).

 

But if I snort just 100 mg of arginine pyroglutamate powder into my nostrils, the anti-anxiety effects kick in within 20 minutes. So this is great when you want a quick way to quell anxiety. Plus it is very economical on arginine pyroglutamate, since 100 mg intranasal has the same anti-anxiety effect as 5 grams oral. 

 

I tend to snort arginine pyroglutamate powder whenever I have a unexpected upsurge in anxiety.

 

(Don't ever try to snort any supplement into you nose which is even slightly acidic (tart in taste) — it will sting like hell). 

 

 


Edited by Hip, 23 June 2016 - 04:35 PM.


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Posted 29 June 2016 - 09:09 AM

Hi, thanks for extensive reply!

 

The magnesium spray is a great find, however it still is a hassle :)

Here http://www.iherb.com...alt-16-oz/66060 they are suggesting hot foot baths; maybe something to try once.

 

I'll try the NAG+turmeric+FSO next. I normally take turmeric+magnesium before bed, and yesterday with FSO, but today there is no anti-anxiety effect. I'll see how it goes.

 

At this moment I am on the happy stack (search this forum for more info).

 

Levocetirizine I sometimes take for my cat allergy!

 

The prebiotics+probiotics is also a great find. Something to try later! I read the article that one guy cured his anxiety with megadosing some specific probiotics. Did you try this approach? He seemed to grow this bacteria in milk!

 

Inositol often makes me drowsy. I guess this has something to do with increased serotonine levels; feels like that.

 

cheers!

 

Have you tried phenibut for anxiety? I don't see it in your list.







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