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[KJx]

Hello, I've ordered a single bottle of C60 olive oil from Vaughter Wellness. 

I am in good health except for my eczema and a mild neck spondylosis (computer work + a slight trauma). 

I plan to divide the contents of the bottle into two halves. One half I will give to my grandmother or my girlfriends grandmother (because from what I've gathered, C60 is more important for the elderly) and the other half I'll drink 15ml right away and then 3ml every day for three days. I am quite lean, my weight is 70 kilos and I will try to do some sports before, during and after treatment days. I heard this might improve the effects of C60 by leaving more space for it in the body. 

 

Current status: Oil is ordered and shipped, waiting for it. 

[niner]

I will try to do some sports before, during and after treatment days. I heard this might improve the effects of C60 by leaving more space for it in the body.

 

The reason to try before/after exercise is to see what effect it has on your exercise ability.  It needs to be something that can be measured, like weight lifting, as opposed to something like football.  It isn't necessary to do this, but might be interesting.  There is plenty of space for a few milligrams of c60 in your body, and this won't be altered by sports.  If you are a weight lifter and you find that you can do a lot more reps than previously, don't keep doing them.  There have been a lot of tendon injuries because of this effect.  Keep an eye on your eczema to see if there's any effect on it.  It's possible that your spondylitis will improve over time when using c60.  I had a long-standing neck problem due to an old injury- two discs were very thin- but after being on c60 for quite a while, I have no more pain.  I've been using it for about two years; I'm not sure exactly when it improved. 

[KJx]

Thank you for your reply. Do you think a one-time try of C60 could possibly make a difference for my eczema/spondylosis? Like I've said, it will be only like 25ml in total for me. Stuff's expensive - sending it to my country cost more than the stuff itself! 

I'm not doing sports regularly so I guess there's no point in my measuring: when you are not lifting regularly it can differ quite a lot between two consecutive days due to natural reasons alone. When I lift from day to day, I already differ quite a lot. Also, as you've said, I wouldn't like risking an injury! Perhaps I'll try jogging, to see if my endurance improved. I generally can't run too far without exhausting myself (partially due to my flat feet I guess). 

[niner]

The improvement I saw in my eczema was pretty rapid.  The spondylitis improvement that I've experienced happened over months of use.

[sthira]

The improvement I saw in my eczema was pretty rapid. The spondylitis improvement that I've experienced happened over months of use.

That's pretty exciting. By any chance do you have before and after X-rays of your spondylosis improvements? Those improvements might be something you could actually see.

[niner]

 

The improvement I saw in my eczema was pretty rapid. The spondylitis improvement that I've experienced happened over months of use.

That's pretty exciting. By any chance do you have before and after X-rays of your spondylosis improvements? Those improvements might be something you could actually see.

 

Just the other day I was wondering if anything would show up on X-ray.  The 'before' picture was shot about 20 years ago.  It might still be on file, but I don't have a copy.  I remember what it looked like, with very thin discs and osteoarthritic changes in the vertebrae.  I don't have any imaging that's been done recently enough to matter.  It might be a tough sell if I asked my doctor to prescribe an X-ray because I felt good...   If I get a chance to do any imaging in the vicinity, I'll definitely look into it.

[mpe]

Thank you for your reply. Do you think a one-time try of C60 could possibly make a difference for my eczema/spondylosis? Like I've said, it will be only like 25ml in total for me. Stuff's expensive - sending it to my country cost more than the stuff itself! 

I'm not doing sports regularly so I guess there's no point in my measuring: when you are not lifting regularly it can differ quite a lot between two consecutive days due to natural reasons alone. When I lift from day to day, I already differ quite a lot. Also, as you've said, I wouldn't like risking an injury! Perhaps I'll try jogging, to see if my endurance improved. I generally can't run too far without exhausting myself (partially due to my flat feet I guess). 

 

Give the C60oo a try, you will probably see noticeable improvements fairly quickly. If cost is a concern and you have seen improvements you should give serious consideration to making your own; the forum has threads devoted to the issue, its relatively easy and its cheap, a years supply is about the cost of 1 months supply from any of the vendors.

 

 

Mike 

[sthira]

The improvement I saw in my eczema was pretty rapid. The spondylitis improvement that I've experienced happened over months of use.

That's pretty exciting. By any chance do you have before and after X-rays of your spondylosis improvements? Those improvements might be something you could actually see.

Just the other day I was wondering if anything would show up on X-ray. The 'before' picture was shot about 20 years ago. It might still be on file, but I don't have a copy. I remember what it looked like, with very thin discs and osteoarthritic changes in the vertebrae. I don't have any imaging that's been done recently enough to matter. It might be a tough sell if I asked my doctor to prescribe an X-ray because I felt good... If I get a chance to do any imaging in the vicinity, I'll definitely look into it.

You mean that you had spondylosis twenty years ago, you may have the X-ray of it, and today you're feeling improvements? Wow that's exciting! I think you should totally get a new xray and compare the results. If you "cured" or at least visibly proved a case of twenty-year old spondylosis with c60 olive oil and can show evidence, that'd be friggin' amazing! Over the years have you been taking anything else for the spondylosis? Or do you attribute improvements due exclusively to this experimental buckyball concoction?

Wow I'm psyched! This is news, I think. Go get new X-rays and post them here!

[niner]

That's basically the story.  Over the years I've managed it with isometric neck exercises that a rheumatologist showed me.  I didn't take anything on a constant basis, but used NSAIDs occasionally.   I haven't been doing the exercises for at least several months now.  I have to say, it feels better now than it has since the problem first arose.  This is despite the fact that it took a turn for the worse about 5 years ago, and at the time I thought "wow, this is it.  I'm probably looking at vertebral fusions...".    One thing is a possibility, other than the c60-  I started taking hydrolyzed collagen (4g/d) about 7-8 months ago.  I was mainly hoping to see a skin improvement from that, but it may have played a role, perhaps entirely, in the neck improvement. 

[Kalliste]

Would you recommend a specific brand of collagen, niner?

[KJx]

Perhaps liquid collagen? I remember I drank pills of collagen, MSM, glucosamine n'similar stuff when I had just made myself spondylosis (from that minor trauma + wear). I've seen improvement at that time but it could have been from all the anti-inflammatory stuff I was using (curcuma, cayenne, ginger powders, vitamin B), cutting back on sugar or eating 1 liter of freshly picked from the forest blueberries (old ladies sell this goodness on the streets here in Lithuania at summer. Only ~4-6USD for 1 liter, so, knowing the real value of them, I make sure to eat a lot of them during the season). 
 

As for my shipment of VW C60 oo, according to my tracking number, it has been shipped from Czech Republic to Lithuania, but is yet to reach my local post office. But I suppose everything is alright. Hoping to receive it Monday or Tuesday, I suppose. 

Edited by KJx, 04 October 2014 - 02:43 PM.

[niner]

Would you recommend a specific brand of collagen, niner?

 

I'm not sure it matters all that much.  I've been using Youtheory collagen that I got for a pretty good price at Costco.  It's formulated as 1g tablets, which makes it convenient.  I haven't done any comparison of brands.  Unless it's being incorporated directly into your body as polypeptides, which seems kind of unlikely, then it's really just a source of the handful of amino acids that collagen is composed of.  In particular, there's a large amount of proline, and two AA's that are post-translationally modified; OH-pro and OH-lys.  There might be some benefit in getting these pre-made, instead of having to do it synthetically in the body.  I looked around a little, but didn't find anything about specific chemical differences between the different collagen types.  I kind of doubt that the "type" matters all that much if it's hydrolyzed, but I'm sure there are people who swear by specific types.

[Kalliste]

Thanks niner. I will look into it.

 

Perhaps liquid collagen? I remember I drank pills of collagen, MSM, glucosamine n'similar stuff when I had just made myself spondylosis (from that minor trauma + wear). I've seen improvement at that time but it could have been from all the anti-inflammatory stuff I was using (curcuma, cayenne, ginger powders, vitamin B), cutting back on sugar or eating 1 liter of freshly picked from the forest blueberries (old ladies sell this goodness on the streets here in Lithuania at summer. Only ~4-6USD for 1 liter, so, knowing the real value of them, I make sure to eat a lot of them during the season). 
 

As for my shipment of VW C60 oo, according to my tracking number, it has been shipped from Czech Republic to Lithuania, but is yet to reach my local post office. But I suppose everything is alright. Hoping to receive it Monday or Tuesday, I suppose. 

 

I ordered 2 bottles last week and got it today. Live in Sweden, for what it's worth I never had a problem with Vaugther.

[Daniel Cooper]

That's basically the story.  Over the years I've managed it with isometric neck exercises that a rheumatologist showed me.  I didn't take anything on a constant basis, but used NSAIDs occasionally.   I haven't been doing the exercises for at least several months now.  I have to say, it feels better now than it has since the problem first arose.  This is despite the fact that it took a turn for the worse about 5 years ago, and at the time I thought "wow, this is it.  I'm probably looking at vertebral fusions...".    One thing is a possibility, other than the c60-  I started taking hydrolyzed collagen (4g/d) about 7-8 months ago.  I was mainly hoping to see a skin improvement from that, but it may have played a role, perhaps entirely, in the neck improvement. 

 

Has the hydrolyzed collagen done anything positive for your skin?

 

Sorry for the OT question.

Edited by Daniel Cooper, 06 October 2014 - 06:25 AM.

[KJx]

Don't worry about OT. In the big picture it's on-topic  

I received my "C60 olive oil" from Vaughter Wellness today. Shipped from Czech Republic to Lithuania. Ordered 09/29, received 10/06. Everything is in order. Will try soon. Any tips on how it should be used? On empty stomach, on full, in between meals? Early morning or just before bed? As I've mentioned, I want to do a ~15-20ml dose right away. I suppose it goes without saying that it shouldn't be taken with absorbants such as wheat bread, chia seeds, rice and similar stuff like that. A wild idea: would alcohol help to absorb it??

 

Edit: I am also considering using this http://sveikatosmena...rius-150g-invit These are basically the black stones from Russia that also contain fullerenes and supposedly purify and "activate" water just by staying in it. The price is less than 3USD, so why not. (the link I provided is Lithuanian and I don't think they ship international in case anyone's wondering)

 

Edit: Just found out my GFs grandmother fell very ill today (emergency problems with the heart), she wasn't very healthy before either... I will offer her half the bottle tomorrow.

Edited by KJx, 06 October 2014 - 01:46 PM.

[niner]

Has the hydrolyzed collagen done anything positive for your skin?

 
It's a little hard to evaluate a slow systemic change. It's a lot easier to experiment with a topical by using it on half your face or one arm- kyou have a built in control. That said, I think it has helped.

I received my "C60 olive oil" from Vaughter Wellness today. Shipped from Czech Republic to Lithuania. Ordered 09/29, received 10/06. Everything is in order. Will try soon. Any tips on how it should be used? On empty stomach, on full, in between meals? Early morning or just before bed? As I've mentioned, I want to do a ~15-20ml dose right away. I suppose it goes without saying that it shouldn't be taken with absorbants such as wheat bread, chia seeds, rice and similar stuff like that. A wild idea: would alcohol help to absorb it??

It's fine to take it with food, including bread. One of my favorite ways to take it is by dipping good bread in it. It would be fine to take 15-20ml immediately. I wouldn't bother using it daily, as the half life is extremely long. Personally, I take it every 2-4 weeks. Some people say that they see advantages to taking it more frequently, but I've not noticed that. Alcohol wouldn't help it to absorb- it really doesn't need any help; it's very bioavailable. After you take c60, you may notice that the alcohol high feels different.

[KJx]

Good to hear, I will just drink it right now on empty stomach then. Didn't like the idea of alcohol consumption either, it actually worsens my eczema (atopic dermatitis). 

 

EDIT: Wow, such a strong taste! I thought it'd be just like regular olive oil. Maybe I'm just used to drinking shitty oo :D

Edited by KJx, 06 October 2014 - 02:03 PM.

[Adaptogen]

 

Would you recommend a specific brand of collagen, niner?

 

I'm not sure it matters all that much.  I've been using Youtheory collagen that I got for a pretty good price at Costco.  It's formulated as 1g tablets, which makes it convenient.  I haven't done any comparison of brands.  Unless it's being incorporated directly into your body as polypeptides, which seems kind of unlikely, then it's really just a source of the handful of amino acids that collagen is composed of.  In particular, there's a large amount of proline, and two AA's that are post-translationally modified; OH-pro and OH-lys.  There might be some benefit in getting these pre-made, instead of having to do it synthetically in the body.  I looked around a little, but didn't find anything about specific chemical differences between the different collagen types.  I kind of doubt that the "type" matters all that much if it's hydrolyzed, but I'm sure there are people who swear by specific types.

 

 

that is a good price, i just bought some of that youtheory collagen on amazon. i could never force myself to consistently drink hot gelatin water when i was using the great lakes brand

i came across this disclaimer on the #1 collagen supplement on amazon: "Collagen Type 1&3 and Collagen Type 2 should not be combined due the types having different amino acid profile. It is recommended that if you want to take both sources of collagen protein, it should be done at least an hour apart."... maybe thats why the youtheory stuff is ranked #2, even though its more cost effective.

 

does that statement make any sense at all? I couldn't find anything to back it, or even a mention of it anywhere on the internet besides just in the Neocell collagen product description

[niner]

i came across this disclaimer on the #1 collagen supplement on amazon: "Collagen Type 1&3 and Collagen Type 2 should not be combined due the types having different amino acid profile. It is recommended that if you want to take both sources of collagen protein, it should be done at least an hour apart."... maybe thats why the youtheory stuff is ranked #2, even though its more cost effective.
 
does that statement make any sense at all? I couldn't find anything to back it, or even a mention of it anywhere on the internet besides just in the Neocell collagen product description

The need to take the different types separately doesn't make any sense at all. It's not like they're going to interact and do something weird. I still haven't found anything about the AA composition difference, if any, between different types. My guess is that if there is a difference, it isn't large, and probably isn't significant, but like I said, I'm sure some people will swear by one particular type.

[KJx]

After drinking half a bottle of C60 oo day before yesterday and a few miligrams yesterday, I didn't feel any difference in my well being, strength or eczema. I actually felt pretty well, but I usually do   I may have actually seen a mild improvement in endurance and I may have experienced a slightly better field of view and even an improvement in my already perfect vision. But it is hard to say as my vision and endurance differ from day to day really much on their own... So I guess no real proof to myself or others that there was any actual effect.

I drank a bottle of dry red wine yesterday (for science, of course!). Got pretty drunk, as I would, anyway, I think. I don't really drink often or much. Last years it was like a glass of wine per month on average or something like that. So I really couldn't say C60 increased my alcohol tolerance at all. 

 

Edited by KJx, 08 October 2014 - 03:34 PM.

[GoingPrimal]

Interesting, keep us posted. I received mine the same day you did, looking forward to comparing results.

[KJx]

Hello again, still no changes for me. Eczema is still here, my endurance is shitty lately. At least my neck is not hurting any more (it gets painful/tired quick after continuous sitting near the computer, but it doesn't always get painful/tired quick, so this could be a natural fluctuation).

While there is nothing interesting on me, I gave the remaining ~20mililiters to my girlfriends grandmother. She is an old lady with many old-age sicknesses. She has heart problems, back problems... Interestingly, her gallbladder is completely cut out and missing. (fun fact: rats don't have gallbladders!) Which means her body does not produce bile (which is responsible for lipid digestion or something). So it is very interesting to me (and hopefully others here) how (if) her body will react to C60 oo. I assume this could either improve or hinder the absorbtion of C60. I will call her every day now for some time to ask her how she feels and ask her to compare it to before she drank the oil. Really curious if there will be any effect! Too bad C60 oo is too expensive for me, I won't be able to experiment with it any more. Especially when shipping cost nearly twice as much as the oil itself!  

Edited by KJx, 13 October 2014 - 12:49 AM.

[Razor444]

Too bad C60 oo is too expensive for me, I won't be able to experiment with it any more. Especially when shipping cost nearly twice as much as the oil itself!  

 

http://c60antiaging.com/ if you're in Europe. That should reduce the shipping cost significantly.
 

[KJx]

Sorry, I was wrong, shipping cost less than the product itself. But it's still expensive. I did buy from the website you are suggesting. I'm not complaining, but in the end, I paid double the price of the product. I think this info could be useful to anyone ordering from Europe: 

Payment Method: PayPal card processing (no PP account needed)
Shipping Method: International priority airmail (tracked or guaranteed delivery)

Items:
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Buckminsterfullerene C60 99.95%. 45 mg in 50 ml olive oil
Price: € 14.90
Qty: 1
Amount: € 14.90


Subtotal of Items: € 14.90

Shipping & Handling: € 10.20
EU VAT € 3.13

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Total for this Order: € 28.23

Plus this does not include the money paypal takes or CC fees if any. 

Edited by KJx, 13 October 2014 - 12:27 PM.

[tintinet]

Unless her liver is gone, she's producing bile. Gallbladders just store it.

[KJx]

Several days after drinking the C60 oo, she said she felt no change in health or wellbeing. 
My neck is getting tired and hurting much less, but this could easily be because of other reasons. 

[kah145]

Has anyone found a good source for purchasing C60 oo in the US?

 

[tintinet]

Has anyone found a good source for purchasing C60 oo in the US?

http://www.carbon60oliveoil.com/

 

or mix your own:

 

https://sesres.com/Carbon-60.asp

[kah145]

Tintinet - Thanks for the response.  Very new to all of this and learning.  I'll start with purchasing and see if I can quantify results.