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[1jol1uvcaaq]

Please stay away from nootropics. They are very dangerous. People are suffering NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGE from nootropics. Nootropics alter your brain, and in some cases these side effects are permanent. Side effects users are experiencing are headaches, tinnitus, fatigue and weaked immune system. Please quit your addiction!

http://www.longecity...ls/#entry765244

This is one of the latest longecity user suffering from nootropic damage. We have to pray for him.

http://www.longecity...ic-experiments/

Users like these MUST be stopped. They are junkies using nootropics for no purpose other than to get high. I do not mean to offend him. He has obviously suffered traumas to cause him to need to use drugs to cure his (non-clinical/)depression. I feel sorry for people like that. They are no better than my friends who abuse LSD, heroin, alcohol, and weed. It's scary, but I hope he does not suffer permanent nootropic damage like others have.
DRUGS ARE NOT TO BE PLAYED WITH LIKE CANDIES!

http://www.bluelight...p/t-289693.html

They have dangerous side effects. I know I have posted a lot about nootropic damage. There are posts everywhere on longecity about nootropic complaints. Many of you still won't listen. This is to prevent at least one person from experiencing nootropic damage.  You do not need drugs to live your life. If you think you do, you need to change something!

 

Edit: I made this thread because it is very depressing reading threads where people suffer neurological damage, when they had none to begin with before beginning smart drugs.

Edited by 1jol1uvcaaq, 07 March 2016 - 06:09 AM.

[3mp0w3r]

While I don't completely disagree with this post, I also don't think using forum threads to back up your point is very useful. Journal articles or some sort of evidence might be more helpful. Of course, this may just be trolling. You admit to having friends that are taking LSD and heroine yet go on a forum to say nootropics are bad?

[BlueCloud]

 

Please stay away from nootropics. They are very dangerous. People are suffering NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGE from nootropics. Nootropics alter your brain, and in some cases these side effects are permanent. Side effects users are experiencing are headaches, tinnitus, fatigue and weaked immune system. Please quit your addiction!

http://www.longecity...ls/#entry765244

And your solution in that thread is to smoke weed and read the Bible ?  

mmmm... okay.. 

 

It's not always the tools , it's how you use them. Also, everything and anything gets slapped without distinction under the "nootropic" category these days. In that thread they're also talking about Phenibut wich is NOT a nootropic, and has a known track record of being a substance you have to be extra-careful with. In fact most people advise to just completely avoid it unless you really know what you're doing.

 

If you just indistinctly swallow whatever chemical or herbs you find on your way, of course you're going to have problems. If some people want to do that and know what they're dealing with , it's their responsability.

 

If you want to preserve and enhance your physical and mental health, then you have to choose the tools carefully, not abuse them, get educated about them, ask questions, rely on serious studies...

If you just pop up eveything in your mouth, you can blame the tools, you can only blame you.

 

( And a lot of classic nootropics have hundreds of studies to back them up, as well as thousands of anedoctal reports. That still doesn't mean you should eat them like candy or overdose them, but they are not the dangerous substances you're trying to paint, and to compare them to heroin and LSD is just nuts. I'd really like to meet those people who are taking Bacopa or Piracetam to get high.. Longecity is not Bluelight )

 

Edited by BlueCloud, 07 March 2016 - 10:13 AM.

[Wingless]

Are you aware that the very definition of a nootropic includes an extremely low toxicity with minimal to no side effects?

 

If people are having these issues, they either abused the substances, took something that was not a nootropic, or have other physiological problems not related to this.

 

Generally speaking nootropics are very safe, but most people take these strange research chemicals, substances with no human clinical trials, or something like Phenibut, none of which are nootropics.

Edited by Wingless, 07 March 2016 - 03:14 PM.

[1jol1uvcaaq]

While I don't completely disagree with this post, I also don't think using forum threads to back up your point is very useful. Journal articles or some sort of evidence might be more helpful. Of course, this may just be trolling. You admit to having friends that are taking LSD and heroine yet go on a forum to say nootropics are bad?

 

Only a small percentage of my friends use drugs. I do not and I encourage everybody to not use drugs, nootropics included.

 

 

Please stay away from nootropics. They are very dangerous. People are suffering NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGE from nootropics. Nootropics alter your brain, and in some cases these side effects are permanent. Side effects users are experiencing are headaches, tinnitus, fatigue and weaked immune system. Please quit your addiction!

http://www.longecity...ls/#entry765244

And your solution in that thread is to smoke weed and read the Bible ?  

mmmm... okay.. 

 

It's not always the tools , it's how you use them. Also, everything and anything gets slapped without distinction under the "nootropic" category these days. In that thread they're also talking about Phenibut wich is NOT a nootropic, and has a known track record of being a substance you have to be extra-careful with. In fact most people advise to just completely avoid it unless you really know what you're doing.

 

If you just indistinctly swallow whatever chemical or herbs you find on your way, of course you're going to have problems. If some people want to do that and know what they're dealing with , it's their responsability.

 

If you want to preserve and enhance your physical and mental health, then you have to choose the tools carefully, not abuse them, get educated about them, ask questions, rely on serious studies...

If you just pop up eveything in your mouth, you can blame the tools, you can only blame you.

 

( And a lot of classic nootropics have hundreds of studies to back them up, as well as thousands of anedoctal reports. That still doesn't mean you should eat them like candy or overdose them, but they are not the dangerous substances you're trying to paint, and to compare them to heroin and LSD is just nuts. I'd really like to meet those people who are taking Bacopa or Piracetam to get high.. Longecity is not Bluelight )

 

If you want to preserve or enhance their physical and mental health like a normal human, you should follow the laws of nature. The laws of nature require a healthy diet, sleep, exercise, and faith in God. Chemicals will damage the human body, and in some cases it is permanent. The body will either: 1) Never recover from the drug 2)Be able to adapt to the drug. There are cases where medical drugs must be used to prevent death, but most people are not in that situation. Nootropic users are popping more than 5 pills a day to increase their intelligence, something completely useless. I once read a story where a 15 year old was using noopept. This is sick! A normal person should not be using drugs.

 

Are you aware that the very definition of a nootropic includes an extremely low toxicity with minimal to no side effects?

 

If people are having these issues, they either abused the substances, took something that was not a nootropic, or have other physiological problems not related to this.

 

Generally speaking nootropics are very safe, but most people take these strange research chemicals, substances with no human clinical trials, or something like Phenibut, none of which are nootropics.

Merriam-Webster defines nootropic as "a substance that enhances cognition and memory and facilitates learning." That is how the majority of us defines nootropic. Many users on the nootropic forum of longecity have used experimental drugs with ZERO human testing. Others, like the popular lostfalco, have used drugs with little testing on humans. Why are all the experimental nootropics still called nootropics? Do not get the idea that I condone drugs that have been tested on humans. Besides being a gateway DRUG, classic nootropics have caused damage themselves. The posts are all over longecity.

[Wingless]

Merriam-Webster defines nootropic as "a substance that enhances cognition and memory and facilitates learning." That is how the majority of us defines nootropic. Many users on the nootropic forum of longecity have used experimental drugs with ZERO human testing. Others, like the popular lostfalco, have used drugs with little testing on humans. Why are all the experimental nootropics still called nootropics? Do not get the idea that I condone drugs that have been tested on humans. Besides being a gateway DRUG, classic nootropics have caused damage themselves. The posts are all over longecity.

 

That definition is too basic.

 

The word nootropic was coined by a romanian chemist, and he described a nootropic as having the following properties:

 

1. They should enhance learning and memory.
2. They should enhance the resistance of learned behaviors/memories to conditions which tend to disrupt them (e.g. electroconvulsive shock, hypoxia).
3. They should protect the brain against various physical or chemical injuries (e.g. barbiturates, scopalamine).
4. They should increase the efficacy of the tonic cortical/subcortical control mechanisms.
5. They should lack the usual pharmacology of other psychotropic drugs (e.g. sedation, motor stimulation) and possess very few side effects and extremely low toxicity.

A drug with zero human testing is not a nootropic, it's a research chemical. There's always some people in communities like these that are deluding themselves and don't know what they're doing. A true nootropic meets the above criteria.

 

Also, almost any drug can effect people in strange ways. Without going into the obvious ones like alcohol or tobacco, almost every prescription drug in the world has had cases of unexpected side effects. Even coffee can be dangerous to some people.

Edited by Wingless, 08 March 2016 - 04:32 AM.

[Junk Master]

Just have to add that one of the most extensively studied, most effective nootropics is...

 

...coffee.

 

You can pry my fresh ground, fresh roasted, Sumatran, French Press out of my cold, clammy, dead hands!

 

Oh,  I just might add 200-400 mg of Modafinil to it if I didn't sleep the whole night with my apnea mask.

 

And if I'm on a Modafinil vacation and need a little creative pick me up, I really can't see anything wrong with a healthy dose of Piracetam...call me old fashioned.

 

Honestly, I think the dangers of all of the above are exceeded by a couple of bong hits and a six pack.

[BlueCloud]

If you want to preserve or enhance their physical and mental health like a normal human, you should follow the laws of nature. The laws of nature require a healthy diet, sleep, exercise, and faith in God.

Let me check the scientific sources for these ....Healty diet : check , Sleep : check, Exercise : check , faith in God : no go. As you know, this is a scientific , evidence-based health forum, so unless you can provide references to studies , preferably using double-blind/placebo , that's not gonna cut it.

PS : Nature also provided us with a lot of herbs ( wich are natural chemicals, but technically still chemicals) to help us when the "laws of nature" go wrong....It would be an "insult" to nature not to use them ;-)

Edited by BlueCloud, 08 March 2016 - 10:25 AM.

[Ark]

Please stay away from nootropics. They are very dangerous. People are suffering NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGE from nootropics. Nootropics alter your brain, and in some cases these side effects are permanent. Side effects users are experiencing are headaches, tinnitus, fatigue and weaked immune system. Please quit your addiction!
http://www.longecity...ls/#entry765244
This is one of the latest longecity user suffering from nootropic damage. We have to pray for him.
http://www.longecity...ic-experiments/
Users like these MUST be stopped. They are junkies using nootropics for no purpose other than to get high. I do not mean to offend him. He has obviously suffered traumas to cause him to need to use drugs to cure his (non-clinical/)depression. I feel sorry for people like that. They are no better than my friends who abuse LSD, heroin, alcohol, and weed. It's scary, but I hope he does not suffer permanent nootropic damage like others have.
DRUGS ARE NOT TO BE PLAYED WITH LIKE CANDIES!
http://www.bluelight...p/t-289693.html
They have dangerous side effects. I know I have posted a lot about nootropic damage. There are posts everywhere on longecity about nootropic complaints. Many of you still won't listen. This is to prevent at least one person from experiencing nootropic damage. You do not need drugs to live your life. If you think you do, you need to change something!

Edit: I made this thread because it is very depressing reading threads where people suffer neurological damage, when they had none to begin with before beginning smart drugs.

Don't worry, be happy. :-)

[Axmann8]

"Smoke weed, be happy. [...] Read the bible. [...] Take a permanent vacation on a tropical island. [...] Just do it."
—Literally 1jol1uvcaaq

 

Phenibut is a horrible example to use in order to draw the conclusion that "nootropics are bad." Do some research on phenibut and you'll find out why.

In fact, by definition, nootropics are not bad, because if they are, then they do not meet the criteria to be called a "nootropic."

 

But to be fair, that post by Lostfalco shows how to probably not go about experimenting with nootropics. A lot of his justifications were, like, "Oh, I read one study that said XYZ" (and was probably done on rats). It's important to be well-informed when experimenting with nootropics. Is there going to be complete certainly? Absolutely not, just like everything else.

Not a single person here is saying that using nootropics and ingesting investigational research compounds is without risk. But, for those of us with fucked-up brains trying to restore optimal function (and even for the already-healthy who want to stay that way or even strive for that extra edge), nootropics provide an extremely powerful thing: hope.

The desire to take our health into our OWN hands and away from a healthcare system that is absolutely not designed to make people well? That willingness to take risks if it means being provided opportunities for wellness that others may not be "sanctioned" to receive within their lifetime? That's what makes us different than you.

 

You may be content enough to just "smoke weed and read the Bible," but we aren't.

Edited by Axmann8, 08 March 2016 - 10:20 PM.

[Ark]

I really don't understand why anyone has taken this thread seriously,it's ridiculous statement containing obvious misconceptions and not completely understanding that what's being said above primarily applies to those with addictive personalities. The other stuff is just misinformation, supplements and drugs help people grow when used right. Should I get my supplements taken away because a few people choose to destroy themselves? My answer no and I take full responsibility for anything that may happen to me.

[medievil]

Please collect all anecdotes that proof your statement, including for drugs and phenibut as i beleive you can use phenibut safely long term with withdrawal issue being the onlly major problem, as i want to provide the most objective inormation about everything, im woring on a blog which i will release soon after ive seen all currently available blogs to give mine the best information,

[1jol1uvcaaq]

If you ignore the warnings, you will suffer as they have.

https://www.google.c...w.longecity.org

About 10,700 results (0.18 seconds)

That's only in threads about side effects. There are thousands of posts.

This is copied and pasted from another thread:

7.Like serial killers who get bored of killing animals and start killing humans, drug addicts get bored of regular drugs and start abusing harder ones. Some nootropic users are this way too; they will begin with something like coffee and end up with NSI-189. You attempt to extinguish the boredom of life with nootropics("I genuinely love being surprised by reality." This is not truthful) just like others have attempted. What you don't understand is that nootropics are causing your boredom by creating such a contrast in the time you take them and the time you don't. The bitterness of regular life has caused you to forget the beauty of life and focusing on the clock to get your next fix. This addiction causes you to give nootropics more weight than your life when making decisions. You will laugh at any side effect listed, and then you will see the true nature of nootropics-the nootropic damage. You will think you're safe and logical, but that will not matter once the addiction has taken control over your brain. By recognizing the addiction, you will be able to end it faster before it causes anymore harm. This is a message to every nootropic user.

11.You may be good enough, smart enough, and people may like you, but that may not be a good thing. It may make you conceited enough to blind the potential risks in the drugs you're consuming. There are hundreds of posts where people list their side effects.

[BlueCloud]

The Dunning-Kruger effect at its best ...

 

"they will begin with something like coffee and end up becoming serial killers " 

[Ark]

If you ignore the warnings, you will suffer as they have.
https://www.google.c...w.longecity.org



About 10,700 results (0.18 seconds)
That's only in threads about side effects. There are thousands of posts.
This is copied and pasted from another thread:
7.Like serial killers who get bored of killing animals and start killing humans, drug addicts get bored of regular drugs and start abusing harder ones. Some nootropic users are this way too; they will begin with something like coffee and end up with NSI-189. You attempt to extinguish the boredom of life with nootropics("I genuinely love being surprised by reality." This is not truthful) just like others have attempted. What you don't understand is that nootropics are causing your boredom by creating such a contrast in the time you take them and the time you don't. The bitterness of regular life has caused you to forget the beauty of life and focusing on the clock to get your next fix. This addiction causes you to give nootropics more weight than your life when making decisions. You will laugh at any side effect listed, and then you will see the true nature of nootropics-the nootropic damage. You will think you're safe and logical, but that will not matter once the addiction has taken control over your brain. By recognizing the addiction, you will be able to end it faster before it causes anymore harm. This is a message to every nootropic user.
11.You may be good enough, smart enough, and people may like you, but that may not be a good thing. It may make you conceited enough to blind the potential risks in the drugs you're consuming. There are hundreds of posts where people list their side effects.

You do realize that's all your opinion and not fact right?

[1jol1uvcaaq]

The Dunning-Kruger effect at its best ...

 

"they will begin with something like coffee and end up becoming serial killers " 

Not all will. Some will stop right at the coffee. Some will move to the piracetam and so on... I only drew one of many possible paths. Either way, I try to keep people away from ever doing any drug. Once you begin piracetam, you have put yourself into a dice and if it lands on you, you will face the consequences. Many will use others and keep putting themselves at more risk.

 

 

If you ignore the warnings, you will suffer as they have.
https://www.google.c...w.longecity.org



About 10,700 results (0.18 seconds)
That's only in threads about side effects. There are thousands of posts.
This is copied and pasted from another thread:
7.Like serial killers who get bored of killing animals and start killing humans, drug addicts get bored of regular drugs and start abusing harder ones. Some nootropic users are this way too; they will begin with something like coffee and end up with NSI-189. You attempt to extinguish the boredom of life with nootropics("I genuinely love being surprised by reality." This is not truthful) just like others have attempted. What you don't understand is that nootropics are causing your boredom by creating such a contrast in the time you take them and the time you don't. The bitterness of regular life has caused you to forget the beauty of life and focusing on the clock to get your next fix. This addiction causes you to give nootropics more weight than your life when making decisions. You will laugh at any side effect listed, and then you will see the true nature of nootropics-the nootropic damage. You will think you're safe and logical, but that will not matter once the addiction has taken control over your brain. By recognizing the addiction, you will be able to end it faster before it causes anymore harm. This is a message to every nootropic user.
11.You may be good enough, smart enough, and people may like you, but that may not be a good thing. It may make you conceited enough to blind the potential risks in the drugs you're consuming. There are hundreds of posts where people list their side effects.

You do realize that's all your opinion and not fact right?

 

"You will laugh at any side effect listed, and then you will see the true nature of nootropics-the nootropic damage."

When you brush off the thousands of complaints as useless opinion, it's time to admit you have an addiction.

[Ark]

What i find even more dangerous is the fact that you want to throw the baby out with the bath water. The people who are abusing some noots would be doing something else destructive like gambling,drinking etc in place. The vast majority of people using noots have used them to better themselves, increasing my reflexes memory and focus has nothing to do with getting "high". I'm sorry you failed at life and now think from your experience that we're all in the same boat as you. Instead of under estimating everyone and being so judgemental, you might reconsider if noots can help you. Considering it's fairly peculiar behavior to feel the need to make such bold and over the top arguments on multiple threads.

Basically your all self referral no recommendation. No Offense meant, it's just I find you boring and delude.

[Ark]

The Dunning-Kruger effect at its best ...

"they will begin with something like coffee and end up becoming serial killers "

Not all will. Some will stop right at the coffee. Some will move to the piracetam and so on... I only drew one of many possible paths. Either way, I try to keep people away from ever doing any drug. Once you begin piracetam, you have put yourself into a dice and if it lands on you, you will face the consequences. Many will use others and keep putting themselves at more risk.

If you ignore the warnings, you will suffer as they have.
https://www.google.c...w.longecity.org



About 10,700 results (0.18 seconds)
That's only in threads about side effects. There are thousands of posts.
This is copied and pasted from another thread:
7.Like serial killers who get bored of killing animals and start killing humans, drug addicts get bored of regular drugs and start abusing harder ones. Some nootropic users are this way too; they will begin with something like coffee and end up with NSI-189. You attempt to extinguish the boredom of life with nootropics("I genuinely love being surprised by reality." This is not truthful) just like others have attempted. What you don't understand is that nootropics are causing your boredom by creating such a contrast in the time you take them and the time you don't. The bitterness of regular life has caused you to forget the beauty of life and focusing on the clock to get your next fix. This addiction causes you to give nootropics more weight than your life when making decisions. You will laugh at any side effect listed, and then you will see the true nature of nootropics-the nootropic damage. You will think you're safe and logical, but that will not matter once the addiction has taken control over your brain. By recognizing the addiction, you will be able to end it faster before it causes anymore harm. This is a message to every nootropic user.
11.You may be good enough, smart enough, and people may like you, but that may not be a good thing. It may make you conceited enough to blind the potential risks in the drugs you're consuming. There are hundreds of posts where people list their side effects.

You do realize that's all your opinion and not fact right?

"You will laugh at any side effect listed, and then you will see the true nature of nootropics-the nootropic damage."
When you brush off the thousands of complaints as useless opinion, it's time to admit you have an addiction.

Your a typical self assured smartass, going around trying to call out anyone who disagrees with your anti nootropics rhetoric as being "addicted" is so over the top. Your muddling arguments that break the basic rules of reason and you want me to take you seriously?

[Ark]

For the record the bible and cannabis can be useful, in conjunction with noots even better.

[BlueCloud]

I'm getting serious brain damage just from reading this thread.

[Ark]

Sorry for feeding the troll, for a while, I thought he was being serious.

But now I realized how close to April it's getting so practical jokers could be out early.


Goodnight

Edited by Ark, 09 March 2016 - 04:38 AM.

[Junk Master]

The Bible and LSD is even better!

[Axmann8]

Sorry for feeding the troll, for a while, I thought he was being serious.

But now I realized how close to April it's getting so practical jokers could be out early.


Goodnight

He posted this thread on 3/7. I don't see April being a month away as relevant as to the frequency of trolling.

I don't think he's a troll, just genuinely deluded.

Edited by Axmann8, 09 March 2016 - 07:30 AM.

[medievil]

If you follow the rules of nature you will die if your mental of physical health isnt optimal, saying that guarentees good health is hilarious, that said using cannabis reduces parasite infection in humans, so there in the rules of nature consuming cannabis improves survival of both the plant and humans, that said im not gonna keep on going in logical arguments if you beleive in complete bullcrap, also beleiving in jesus wont improve your health, ive seen a show where terminally ill patients went to churches where they do healing and none noticed any improvement, that said a girl i know has a program where they treat ppl with drug addiction with beleive in god as the underlying basis and she claims a 90% succes rate, but i need to see some evidence of this.

 

Also due to a recent experience i started beleiving in god, like most scientific ppl i didnt beleive in him but i stayed open to him, as its possible he created the universe and set everything like evolution in motiion, recent stephen hawking findings state that there didnt need to be a good to create the universe, which makes sense to me as i beleive in the multiverse wich quantam mechanimics predicts, stephen things you might be able to acces those true black holes, the largest block holes in the center of the universe you can actually survive going on, either way i need to read more into this.

 

That said back in the mind and muscle days one really scientific member beleived in god which never made sense to me or anyone else i contacted him and he tolled me that some ppl will experience some kind of experience that proofs the existance of god to me, which happened about 2 months ago, i dont wonna go in debt as this is deeply personal but i beleive that if god exist he said the existence of the multiverse etc in motion but i dont beleive he could have predicated what would happen, also it could have been just a event that happened of god being there, like every atom interacts with another atom or electric charge, free will doesnt really exist as one thing just leads to another, i make all my decission based on previous events and theres evidence decission making is a illusion as the brain makes this decission before your concious actually does, but this can be debated, also in quantam mechanimics its possible theres a difference universe with every possible diferened decission we make hapopening, its a very complex matter and theres not much evidence to make any conclusions but we know at quantum level things can be at 2 places at the same time and other what we think is impossible stuff, also einstein allways said that if you go faster then light you will travel back in time, which some day may be possible, its proven the faster  you go the slower time goes, the universe is very interesting and nothing you think you know is a proven fact.

 

either way me and benson are the only scientific ppl beleiving in god, that said not beleiving in evolution is retarded with the current evidence, god doesnt make sense to me as something cant allways have existed imo, a building has to be build, that said looking at the universe that proofs something so allways existed so that makes it more logical,

 

also the argument that god created structure out of choas makes no sense, the universe is a pure example of pure chaos, if you say theres structure in there you prob live in the middle of a junkjard.

[1jol1uvcaaq]

If you follow the rules of nature you will die if your mental of physical health isnt optimal, saying that guarentees good health is hilarious, that said using cannabis reduces parasite infection in humans, so there in the rules of nature consuming cannabis improves survival of both the plant and humans, that said im not gonna keep on going in logical arguments if you beleive in complete bullcrap, also beleiving in jesus wont improve your health, ive seen a show where terminally ill patients went to churches where they do healing and none noticed any improvement, that said a girl i know has a program where they treat ppl with drug addiction with beleive in god as the underlying basis and she claims a 90% succes rate, but i need to see some evidence of this.

 

Also due to a recent experience i started beleiving in god, like most scientific ppl i didnt beleive in him but i stayed open to him, as its possible he created the universe and set everything like evolution in motiion, recent stephen hawking findings state that there didnt need to be a good to create the universe, which makes sense to me as i beleive in the multiverse wich quantam mechanimics predicts, stephen things you might be able to acces those true black holes, the largest block holes in the center of the universe you can actually survive going on, either way i need to read more into this.

 

That said back in the mind and muscle days one really scientific member beleived in god which never made sense to me or anyone else i contacted him and he tolled me that some ppl will experience some kind of experience that proofs the existance of god to me, which happened about 2 months ago, i dont wonna go in debt as this is deeply personal but i beleive that if god exist he said the existence of the multiverse etc in motion but i dont beleive he could have predicated what would happen, also it could have been just a event that happened of god being there, like every atom interacts with another atom or electric charge, free will doesnt really exist as one thing just leads to another, i make all my decission based on previous events and theres evidence decission making is a illusion as the brain makes this decission before your concious actually does, but this can be debated, also in quantam mechanimics its possible theres a difference universe with every possible diferened decission we make hapopening, its a very complex matter and theres not much evidence to make any conclusions but we know at quantum level things can be at 2 places at the same time and other what we think is impossible stuff, also einstein allways said that if you go faster then light you will travel back in time, which some day may be possible, its proven the faster  you go the slower time goes, the universe is very interesting and nothing you think you know is a proven fact.

 

either way me and benson are the only scientific ppl beleiving in god, that said not beleiving in evolution is retarded with the current evidence, god doesnt make sense to me as something cant allways have existed imo, a building has to be build, that said looking at the universe that proofs something so allways existed so that makes it more logical,

 

also the argument that god created structure out of choas makes no sense, the universe is a pure example of pure chaos, if you say theres structure in there you prob live in the middle of a junkjard.

By following the laws of nature, you will get, in most cases, optimal mental,physical, and spiritual health. Cannabis may help with parasite infections, but a lot of other plants that aren't drugs do too. Using cannabis to heal a parasite infection is like putting a bandaid on a wound; it's helpful but it's not fixing what causes the infection. With the laws of nature, a parasite infection would be rare and fix itself.

The atheists, who cannot see that God is omnipotent omnipresent(even inside of you) and omniscient, will only experience the true plan after rebirth. Nihilism is the destruction of the spiritual health. Once the human is cleansed and purified, the karma set by our ancestors will end. The power of the bible has been evident for centuries, but science has started to recognize it with studies on emotion and prayer and their connection to health and disease. Why are buddhist meditators experiencing excellent health? Why is fasting so powerful for multiplying health? By removing addiction distractions, we are able to strengthen our connection with our creator.

Like hipster teenagers , intellectuals have adopted atheism in the belief they are right. I know nootropics are easy to pop and get you high, but that is not true happiness. Happiness lasts forever and nootropics are not the road to get there. The bible will teach you the beauty of the correct path.

Edited by 1jol1uvcaaq, 10 March 2016 - 12:47 AM.

[medievil]

I beleive and i ended a weird terrifying experience by thinking that i shouldnt afraid and that god is inside me which worked, anyway this will be extremely controversial around here as scientific guys dont beleive in god which makes sense as the bible is full of bullshit, sure it has scientific facts in it, but alot order civilation knew scientific facts that could come only come from a developped sociaty.

 

that said i found graham hancock book interesting, explaining there could have been a developped society under the south pole icecap.

 

Mate the basic thing in nature that allways a certain percentage of every species dont get optimal health and eventually die if nature makkes them strong enough, only 97% of dna is generated correctly in offspring so offcourse there will be animals with disadvantges and get killed.

 

just tell me why deers are being killed by predators as nature is supposed to keep then healthy while others keep getting away, did they commit since and did god punish them?

 

Anyone associated drugs or nootropics, or money for that matter with happyness is a retard, well maybe depressed, but most people certainly dont my life makes me happy, i dont see how a nootropic or drug can make me happy, high is not being happy everyone experiences a high knows that obvious, they could be used to escape happyness tough.

[Axmann8]

I beleive and i ended a weird terrifying experience by thinking that i shouldnt afraid and that god is inside me which worked, anyway this will be extremely controversial around here as scientific guys dont beleive in god which makes sense as the bible is full of bullshit, sure it has scientific facts in it, but alot order civilation knew scientific facts that could come only come from a developped sociaty.

 

that said i found graham hancock book interesting, explaining there could have been a developped society under the south pole icecap.

 

Mate the basic thing in nature that allways a certain percentage of every species dont get optimal health and eventually die if nature makkes them strong enough, only 97% of dna is generated correctly in offspring so offcourse there will be animals with disadvantges and get killed.

 

just tell me why deers are being killed by predators as nature is supposed to keep then healthy while others keep getting away, did they commit since and did god punish them?

 

Anyone associated drugs or nootropics, or money for that matter with happyness is a retard, well maybe depressed, but most people certainly dont my life makes me happy, i dont see how a nootropic or drug can make me happy, high is not being happy everyone experiences a high knows that obvious, they could be used to escape happyness tough.

 

Even happiness that comes from life events must be neurochemically coded in some way to produce feelings of happiness. It just happens to be different things for different people, for reasons that are not yet entirely understood.

[medievil]

Well, looking at evolution it must occur when situations are good for us and out survival in a way, just as a tought.

[vtrader]

hmm, what are you selling, because you are not preaching to the choir here on this site?

 

 

[1jol1uvcaaq]

hmm, what are you selling, because you are not preaching to the choir here on this site?

 

I'm selling you your health at the cost of your addictive habits. When people are taking more drugs than a 90 year old, there is a problem. Unfortunately most people will not drop their drugs instantly. I know a percentage of this forum is trying to fix a problem, but not everybody is. There are people,like lostfalco, with normal brains trying to push it to the limit until something gets damaged. Lostfalco has said he is not trying to fix anything with nootropics. He is playing with dangerous chemicals until he gets permanently hurt.