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[stackhope]

antidepressants murdered my brain

I started to take tyrosine taurine and lysine for anxiety which has improved

 

I feel emotional everyday and confussed ,

I wonder weather there are any other supplements I can take to feel better

about myself ?

or to not be transfused ,

I miss parts of me I would like back

-memory

-intelligence

-sociability

a sense of identity would be great

I wake up all night so I thought about taking the taurine in the evening aswel?

 

I feel in an unfocused fog and BAD MEMORY ITS SO UPSETTING everyday I make small improvements and improve but I still everyday feel like vomiting over my identity crisis

I had antidepressants which im sure caused alot of damage I know this because while I was on them I could not add up ANYTHING, read , communicate I would just look blankly away , or sit in silience through people talking at me , I would fall into things , walk into things , I would feel outside of myself ,

this has improved dramatically since adding the tyrosine and futher improved in terms of nerves with the lysine and taurine I have noticed

 

At this moment in time I am the best I have been in 10 years I have wasted so much of my life in a fog and confussion

 

other things , I am always freezing & Forgetful which gets to me alot when its simple things because I remember I didn't use to be like this , I have no self identity maybe this is because I find being trans hard to accept ? I feel sick it seems everyday  I have lower back pain internally , I have head aches , I do not sleep deeply and I get up 6-7times a night , im really trying hard to eat more ,

I do not drink or smoke .

 

I need help and advice and I will appericate every bit of it

thank you

 

[OneScrewLoose]

I highly doubt that anti-depressants ruined your brain, though I could be wrong.

 

I used to be in physical agony, until just last week actually, every day, since I was 12, because no one could diagnose me until I was 27. I was treated with psychiatry because many of my symptoms matched anxiety. Between 19 and 27, out of intense desperation to make the undying agony stop, I took 60+ pharmaceuticals over 10 years, including probably 20 anti-depressants, all for significant periods of time, and my brain is just fine. BTW, this does not include the plethora of supplements, exercises, meditation, yoga, and other approaches I did to cure myself.

My suggestion is to do this meditation exercise. For three days, tell yourself "anti-depressants didn't ruin my brain, I am just fine". Convince yourself as best your can. Of course, your won't be able to completely, but act the act as best you can't. Plant the seed into your psyche and let it grow those 3 days. Act like they did nothing at all. Really give it an oscar-winning performance.

 

Yes, this is an actual meditation exercise.

I'm not saying this will cure you, but it will give you some insight. If you do do this, I will be able to help you further.

[stackhope]

I highly doubt that anti-depressants ruined your brain, though I could be wrong.

 

I used to be in physical agony, until just last week actually, every day, since I was 12, because no one could diagnose me until I was 27. I was treated with psychiatry because many of my symptoms matched anxiety. Between 19 and 27, out of intense desperation to make the undying agony stop, I took 60+ pharmaceuticals over 10 years, including probably 20 anti-depressants, all for significant periods of time, and my brain is just fine. BTW, this does not include the plethora of supplements, exercises, meditation, yoga, and other approaches I did to cure myself.

My suggestion is to do this meditation exercise. For three days, tell yourself "anti-depressants didn't ruin my brain, I am just fine". Convince yourself as best your can. Of course, your won't be able to completely, but act the act as best you can't. Plant the seed into your psyche and let it grow those 3 days. Act like they did nothing at all. Really give it an oscar-winning performance.

 

Yes, this is an actual meditation exercise.

I'm not saying this will cure you, but it will give you some insight. If you do do this, I will be able to help you further.

 

THANKYOU just reading this made me feel better

I read this in the morning and again this is uplifting I appericate it thank you for taking the time without judgement

everytime I talk to someone in real life about the effects I've had they look at me like im crazy !

 

I will do this thank you I hope you can help me further
 

[PeaceAndProsperity]

You're trans- what? Transpacific? Transcendent? Translucent? 

What does "transfused" mean?

 

You wrote: "or to not be transfused"

 

Is this a troll thread?

 

Edited by RatherBeUnknown, 08 October 2016 - 02:45 PM.

[stackhope]

You're trans- what? Transpacific? Transcendent? Translucent? 

What does "transfused" mean?

 

You wrote: "or to not be transfused"

 

Is this a troll thread?

 

How would I be Transpacific , Transcendent or Translucent ? is there a stack for that ?

 

 

 

 

Its a mix of trans and confused

[OneScrewLoose]

 

I highly doubt that anti-depressants ruined your brain, though I could be wrong.

 

I used to be in physical agony, until just last week actually, every day, since I was 12, because no one could diagnose me until I was 27. I was treated with psychiatry because many of my symptoms matched anxiety. Between 19 and 27, out of intense desperation to make the undying agony stop, I took 60+ pharmaceuticals over 10 years, including probably 20 anti-depressants, all for significant periods of time, and my brain is just fine. BTW, this does not include the plethora of supplements, exercises, meditation, yoga, and other approaches I did to cure myself.

My suggestion is to do this meditation exercise. For three days, tell yourself "anti-depressants didn't ruin my brain, I am just fine". Convince yourself as best your can. Of course, your won't be able to completely, but act the act as best you can't. Plant the seed into your psyche and let it grow those 3 days. Act like they did nothing at all. Really give it an oscar-winning performance.

 

Yes, this is an actual meditation exercise.

I'm not saying this will cure you, but it will give you some insight. If you do do this, I will be able to help you further.

 

THANKYOU just reading this made me feel better

I read this in the morning and again this is uplifting I appericate it thank you for taking the time without judgement

everytime I talk to someone in real life about the effects I've had they look at me like im crazy !

 

I will do this thank you I hope you can help me further
 

 

 

Glad I could help.   

PM when the three days are up so I don't forget about the thread. Tell me how you feel.

[Mind_Paralysis]

Hmm, well, being transgender can indeed cause what's called Gender Identity Dysphoria - which the one known cure for is if the dysphoria is SPECIFIC - if you truly feel like a different gender then the biological sex which you were born with, then sex-change surgery and treatments will help.

 

Problems of course arise if you feel somewhere in-between the sex-binarity of man/woman, since then there's not really any accepted, proven or well-tolerated treatment...

 

This is a subject which I don't know too much about, I must admit, but if you want to swing some ideas back and forth, I'm all for going on a learning-journey with you! = )

 

Now then... perhaps we shall direct ourselves at the problems with anxiety and depression which you have... do you have ANY other diagnoses other than GID (Gender Identity Dysphoria), which you feel are valid and real problems?

 

Would the resolution of any of those other issues help you with your main issue? I'm thinking something simple and practical, like what OneScrewLose suggested regarding meditation, something which will make *something* better for you, while we start mapping out the big problems.

 

I believe a fellow on this forum, Gameguru, who HIMSELF has the disease Borderline Personality Disorder (not really a PD, it's a neuropsychiatric disease similar to ADHD - the brain-sections have finally been found - so hopefully it'll be renamed) recently mentioned a study which found a HIGH degree of BPD-comorbidity among those suffering from GID. Apparently, there's some overlap in the neural anatomy - which makes sense, because Borderliners ALSO have problems with identity - a difficulty in forming it, it shifts and morphs, DISSOLVES even, on a regular basis.

 

This is the reason why so many Borderliners have issues with addiction, and sexual abuse - their sexual preferences are highly unstable, NOT SET, which causes feelings of regret and disgust when their preference morphs again, because of actions taken during previous stages of their preference-evolution. For most other people this evolution has a clear beginning, middle and end - and eventually one can accept ones history and come to conclusions regarding ones preferences. (I'm not just talking bisexuality or whatever here - I'm talking whether one likes extreme spanking, cross-dressing and Domination or not - for a BPD this is NEVER clear - which causes anxiety and depression.)

 

Are you a HUNDRED percent certain that you don't have BPD as well? Or that you have any similar issues? Do you perhaps KNOW someone with BPD, so you can compare yourself and your issues? If you really do have BPD, then I might have some ideas on how to treat those parts of your persona - they're all super-experimental though - so that's something to have in mind.

[platypus]

I hope you are in frequent contact with a therapist or therapists. Do not try to deal  your issues isolated and alone. You are not the only one who is trans and is struggling with it!!

[gamesguru]

Gamesguru recently mentioned a study which found a HIGH degree of BPD-comorbidity among those suffering from GID.

normally I wouldn't take credit for things I haven't done (don't know much about gender identity tbh), but it's been a rough night.  had my car towed for lack of insurance.  but just when you think you have it bad you're reminded of the Butterfly boy, who has what is best described as profound blistering all over his body.. and you suddenly think to yourself, 'my mild hand eczema is nbd, praise the lord.'  then some average-looking trans guy pops up in your OkCupid feed and you feel bad, cause it's like damn are you getting many birds?  sorry dude, my condolences.

 

the BPD is gonna cause an identity crisis, that much I did say.  nothing in the context of gender (although I'm guilty of talking from a male perspective).  that crisis has to be handled on its own; it's gonna explain a lot of your difficulties.  (the few) trans people without it have fewer problems.  BPD is best viewed as a huge problem that needs to be dealt with.  i've read over a few borderline outcome studies, and fwiw, the "best outcomes" were high IQ or attractive female.  the methods of these studies are questionable.  one of the "success" stories in Nicole Arbour:

[stackhope]

Hmm, well, being transgender can indeed cause what's called Gender Identity Dysphoria - which the one known cure for is if the dysphoria is SPECIFIC - if you truly feel like a different gender then the biological sex which you were born with, then sex-change surgery and treatments will help.

 

Problems of course arise if you feel somewhere in-between the sex-binarity of man/woman, since then there's not really any accepted, proven or well-tolerated treatment...

 

This is a subject which I don't know too much about, I must admit, but if you want to swing some ideas back and forth, I'm all for going on a learning-journey with you! = )

 

Now then... perhaps we shall direct ourselves at the problems with anxiety and depression which you have... do you have ANY other diagnoses other than GID (Gender Identity Dysphoria), which you feel are valid and real problems?

 

Would the resolution of any of those other issues help you with your main issue? I'm thinking something simple and practical, like what OneScrewLose suggested regarding meditation, something which will make *something* better for you, while we start mapping out the big problems.

 

I believe a fellow on this forum, Gameguru, who HIMSELF has the disease Borderline Personality Disorder (not really a PD, it's a neuropsychiatric disease similar to ADHD - the brain-sections have finally been found - so hopefully it'll be renamed) recently mentioned a study which found a HIGH degree of BPD-comorbidity among those suffering from GID. Apparently, there's some overlap in the neural anatomy - which makes sense, because Borderliners ALSO have problems with identity - a difficulty in forming it, it shifts and morphs, DISSOLVES even, on a regular basis.

 

This is the reason why so many Borderliners have issues with addiction, and sexual abuse - their sexual preferences are highly unstable, NOT SET, which causes feelings of regret and disgust when their preference morphs again, because of actions taken during previous stages of their preference-evolution. For most other people this evolution has a clear beginning, middle and end - and eventually one can accept ones history and come to conclusions regarding ones preferences. (I'm not just talking bisexuality or whatever here - I'm talking whether one likes extreme spanking, cross-dressing and Domination or not - for a BPD this is NEVER clear - which causes anxiety and depression.)

 

Are you a HUNDRED percent certain that you don't have BPD as well? Or that you have any similar issues? Do you perhaps KNOW someone with BPD, so you can compare yourself and your issues? If you really do have BPD, then I might have some ideas on how to treat those parts of your persona - they're all super-experimental though - so that's something to have in mind.

 

The only diagnosis I have are for GAD , Depression

I feel like the constant up and downs from Anxiety and Depression with hold me truely being able to deal with my identity disorder

for example I had a few months of clarity when I just excepted that I was trans and was going to do something about it but my anxiety kept me inside instead

and now im in a state of fog again , When I was on the medication I was having muscle twitches , in a constant fog , I barely spoke I could not buy things because I could not understand how , I could not cook , I could not do anything , I hit my head numberous times by walking and falling into things , I just stopped taking them and after 6 months I realised I had done alot of damage to my life by making bad choices I have to live with forever now ,which have taken its told on me in terms of futher depression

 

I used to be creative and write well , now I struggle to spell read and commite to these things , I told myself this morning after reading this reply that I would try my hardest to answer properly and to the best of my able ability as part of a self challenge since you took the time and effort to try and help me .

I know that I would like to be back to myself before all the pieces fell apart and the medication because I miss having abilities because I miss interesting conversations which I think is progress & I am no longer sleeping through the days

 

in terms of am I trans or not , I do not remember my what I look like , Its hard to explain but I can't see my face I have a person in my mind who is like me  who I should be ? I thought I was/am ment to be but of the oppersite gender

I always thought somehow I would turn into this person - really more of a day dream wishful thinking situation , after all these years I am understand this is never going to happen .

one thing I have noticed is I feel like my body when I look at it doesnt fit it looks like parts of 2 people .

and I do not associate with this body , I detatch from it

 

I have no addictions and no sexual preferences at all , I feel uncomforable with cross dressing and the idea of it - not to offend anyone it might be relivant

its not a judgement , the whole thing makes me feel lost

 

I am not hundred 100% about anything but I have had lots of weeks where I am certain im trans

 

 

Thank you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope you are in frequent contact with a therapist or therapists. Do not try to deal  your issues isolated and alone. You are not the only one who is trans and is struggling with it!!

 

Thank you ! but I find that doctors are not understanding

Edited by stackhope, 10 October 2016 - 03:49 PM.

[Mind_Paralysis]

 

Hmm, well, being transgender can indeed cause what's called Gender Identity Dysphoria - which the one known cure for is if the dysphoria is SPECIFIC - if you truly feel like a different gender then the biological sex which you were born with, then sex-change surgery and treatments will help.

 

Problems of course arise if you feel somewhere in-between the sex-binarity of man/woman, since then there's not really any accepted, proven or well-tolerated treatment...

 

This is a subject which I don't know too much about, I must admit, but if you want to swing some ideas back and forth, I'm all for going on a learning-journey with you! = )

 

Now then... perhaps we shall direct ourselves at the problems with anxiety and depression which you have... do you have ANY other diagnoses other than GID (Gender Identity Dysphoria), which you feel are valid and real problems?

 

Would the resolution of any of those other issues help you with your main issue? I'm thinking something simple and practical, like what OneScrewLose suggested regarding meditation, something which will make *something* better for you, while we start mapping out the big problems.

 

I believe a fellow on this forum, Gameguru, who HIMSELF has the disease Borderline Personality Disorder (not really a PD, it's a neuropsychiatric disease similar to ADHD - the brain-sections have finally been found - so hopefully it'll be renamed) recently mentioned a study which found a HIGH degree of BPD-comorbidity among those suffering from GID. Apparently, there's some overlap in the neural anatomy - which makes sense, because Borderliners ALSO have problems with identity - a difficulty in forming it, it shifts and morphs, DISSOLVES even, on a regular basis.

 

This is the reason why so many Borderliners have issues with addiction, and sexual abuse - their sexual preferences are highly unstable, NOT SET, which causes feelings of regret and disgust when their preference morphs again, because of actions taken during previous stages of their preference-evolution. For most other people this evolution has a clear beginning, middle and end - and eventually one can accept ones history and come to conclusions regarding ones preferences. (I'm not just talking bisexuality or whatever here - I'm talking whether one likes extreme spanking, cross-dressing and Domination or not - for a BPD this is NEVER clear - which causes anxiety and depression.)

 

Are you a HUNDRED percent certain that you don't have BPD as well? Or that you have any similar issues? Do you perhaps KNOW someone with BPD, so you can compare yourself and your issues? If you really do have BPD, then I might have some ideas on how to treat those parts of your persona - they're all super-experimental though - so that's something to have in mind.

 

The only diagnosis I have are for GAD , Depression

I feel like the constant up and downs from Anxiety and Depression with hold me truely being able to deal with my identity disorder

for example I had a few months of clarity when I just excepted that I was trans and was going to do something about it but my anxiety kept me inside instead

and now im in a state of fog again , When I was on the medication I was having muscle twitches , in a constant fog , I barely spoke I could not buy things because I could not understand how , I could not cook , I could not do anything , I hit my head numberous times by walking and falling into things , I just stopped taking them and after 6 months I realised I had done alot of damage to my life by making bad choices I have to live with forever now ,which have taken its told on me in terms of futher depression

 

I used to be creative and write well , now I struggle to spell read and commite to these things , I told myself this morning after reading this reply that I would try my hardest to answer properly and to the best of my able ability as part of a self challenge since you took the time and effort to try and help me .

I know that I would like to be back to myself before all the pieces fell apart and the medication because I miss having abilities because I miss interesting conversations which I think is progress & I am no longer sleeping through the days

 

in terms of am I trans or not , I do not remember my what I look like , Its hard to explain but I can't see my face I have a person in my mind who is like me  who I should be ? I thought I was/am ment to be but of the oppersite gender

I always thought somehow I would turn into this person - really more of a day dream wishful thinking situation , after all these years I am understand this is never going to happen .

one thing I have noticed is I feel like my body when I look at it doesnt fit it looks like parts of 2 people .

and I do not associate with this body , I detatch from it

 

I have no addictions and no sexual preferences at all , I feel uncomforable with cross dressing and the idea of it - not to offend anyone it might be relivant

its not a judgement , the whole thing makes me feel lost

 

I am not hundred 100% about anything but I have had lots of weeks where I am certain im trans

 

 

Thank you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope you are in frequent contact with a therapist or therapists. Do not try to deal  your issues isolated and alone. You are not the only one who is trans and is struggling with it!!

 

Thank you ! but I find that doctors are not understanding

 

 

YO! No prob's. = ) I'm currently going through catastrophic brainfog because of an over-faith in myself - I've got burnout and attempted to try a new course today - trying to become an entrepreneur - turns out I was too quick there - I'm super-fatigued today, and it was NOT a hectic environment - I'm just still that messed up... I'll be giving it a few days, but it's clear I need more rehabilitation first.

 

Anyways, I'm going to be returning to the thread, soon, but first, I'd like to give you a suggestion for the anxiety which then eventually triggers the depression:

 

 

1. Duloxetine - an SNRI, which has been found in recent reviews to be the best medication for anxiety currently in wide use.

 

Read more about it here:

https://www.research...A_meta-analysis

(figure 2 contains a comparison of different agents - SNRI's where found to be the most effective)

 

UK study which found Duloxetine to be better than Venlafaxine (both are SNRI's)

http://www.bmj.com/c...t/342/bmj.d1199

 

 

 

2. NSI-189 + Memantine - NSI-189 should break the depression - alas, it is also highly anxiogenic - it CAUSES anxiety, presumably because anxiety is caused by both increased glutamatergic and serotonergic activity - and NSI-189 seems to light up your entire brain like a christmas-tree! Hence I recommend Memantine as an add-on - it's got highly promising results in trials, and has been known to impair NSI-189 -induced anxiety - another glutamatergic drug, Tianeptine, also does this. ( I'm on it right now - so I would agree)

 

Both compounds are however difficult to obtain.

 

3. PHENELZINE (nardil, et c) - an MAOI, a substance which inhibits the process through which your body breaks down neurotransmitters. It has serious side-effects, but you sound like you have a lot of problems - some of what you describe sound similar to depression + anxiety + SOCIAL PHOBIA - Phenelzine actually helps the most with the last one, and has an effect on all symptoms.

 

 

All of the compounds above are also pro-cognitive, hence why I've listed them - Memantine has the side-effect of a many-fold increased brainfog at the start of treatment - however, after the brainfog ceases, you will experience TREMENDOUS increase in cognition...! It's a medication originally created to improve memory and treat Alzheimers.

 

Right, to top it all off, I'm going to post some neat recent reviews on the matter of GID - seems like what I said before holds true: only transitional treatment helps those with a clear binary identity - everyone who's somewhere in-between will have trouble... Luckily, it does sound as if you are binary! = ) Hence, transitional treatment will help. However, you need to get better mentally first, so that you truly are a HUNDRED percent certain: these things aren't to be done lightly.

 

But, once you feel better, and can be really certain, then you could really, really become well again with transition. = )

 

Gender identity disorder: a literature review from a developmental perspective.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/20733256

 

Mental health and gender dysphoria: A review of the literature.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/26835611

 

 

Gender Dysphoria in Adults

http://www.annualrev...y-021815-093034

[OneScrewLoose]

WARNING: I am going to be a complete asshole here because I have to.

 

FFS, this shit makes me furious. Why is it that so many people on Longecity throw around their cursory 'knowledge' of Borderline Personality Disorder like they have a single fucking clue what they are talking about or what it means? Am I being harsh? Yes, because this shit needs to be said, and posted as a sticky on the top Longecity as to not harm people with BS diagnoses.

My sister has BPD, and I grew up dealing with that shit day. It’s hell for every single person around them.

 

But first of all…

 

Hmm, well, being transgender can indeed cause what's called Gender Identity Dysphoria

No, Gender Dysphoria, the feeling of your gender not matching your sex, is what causes one to be trans, not the other way around.

 

I believe a fellow on this forum, Gameguru, who HIMSELF has the disease Borderline Personality Disorder (not really a PD, it's a neuropsychiatric disease similar to ADHD - the brain-sections have finally been found - so hopefully it'll be renamed) recently mentioned a study which found a HIGH degree of BPD-comorbidity among those suffering from GID. Apparently, there's some overlap in the neural anatomy - which makes sense, because Borderliners ALSO have problems with identity - a difficulty in forming it, it shifts and morphs, DISSOLVES even, on a regular basis.

So much dumbfuckery and ass-backward information.

 

First of all, BPD isn’t classified as a ‘neuropsychiatric disease’, although if you want to be pedantic, you can classify any mental condition as such. It’s classified as a personality disorder.

Second it is NOT AT ALL similar to ADHD. ADHD is the inability to maintain sustained concentration on a specific task, with evidence coming out that this is the result of a problem in the prioritization of stimuli due to mutations on D4 receptors, and perhaps other dopamine receptors. BPD is a severe emotional disorder that causes the person to not be able to control the volume or context of their emotions correctly. The volume of their emotions are often on ‘11’. Whether happy, sad, angry, or afraid, it’s always to the max. Additionally, they have problems applying these emotions to the context of the events around them, assigning them to the wrong meaning. This gives the perception to the outsider that they can ‘snap’ at any time. This emotional chaos leads to frequent abandonment, and additionally, internal emotional chaos and rapid emotional change does not lead to a stable internal sense of self, leading to an unstable internal construction of self and identity. This is VERY different than the issues with gender identity seen with Gender Dysphoria. With gender dysphoria, the identity issue is actually clear once it’s resolved: ‘I am the gender that is opposite of the sex I am displaying’. With BPD, it’s complete instability.

Out of curiosity, did GameGuru diagnose himself?

For more information and research that you should have done before diagnosing someone like OP, and potentially harming him/her, check out this link in this little known website:
https://en.wikipedia...nality_disorder

 

 

This is the reason why so many Borderliners have issues with addiction, and sexual abuse - their sexual preferences are highly unstable, NOT SET, which causes feelings of regret and disgust when their preference morphs again, because of actions taken during previous stages of their preference-evolution. For most other people this evolution has a clear beginning, middle and end - and eventually one can accept ones history and come to conclusions regarding ones preferences. (I'm not just talking bisexuality or whatever here - I'm talking whether one likes extreme spanking, cross-dressing and Domination or not - for a BPD this is NEVER clear - which causes anxiety and depression.)

 

They’re highly unstable for the reasons I mentioned above, not because of just sexual identity. Your conflation of the two is maddening.

 

Are you a HUNDRED percent certain that you don't have BPD as well? Or that you have any similar issues? Do you perhaps KNOW someone with BPD, so you can compare yourself and your issues? If you really do have BPD, then I might have some ideas on how to treat those parts of your persona - they're all super-experimental though - so that's something to have in mind.

I am 100% certain OP doesn’t have BPD. Your lack of knowledge in this area might literally be poisoning OPs mind, and adding the notion of having an extremely difficult disorder to any already extremely difficult time he is having. I am sorry I had to be such an ass, I am really am. I never have on this forum before. But there are some levels of misinformation that can be outright harmful, or even devastating, and this was really out there. I had to call you out.

Just keep on truckin OP. Let me know how the experiment went tomorrow.

 

Edited by OneScrewLoose, 10 October 2016 - 11:47 PM.

[OneScrewLoose]

Double Post

Edited by OneScrewLoose, 10 October 2016 - 11:46 PM.

[OneScrewLoose]

Also, NSI-189 and Nardil are TERRIBLE recommendations unless one has been through a lot of medicines and are running out of options. NSi-189 is still experimental, has not been FDA approved, and has to be ordered online because of this.

 

Nardil can outright KILL you if you eat the wrong foods. You are recommending a medicine that can kill someone. Sure, it's unlikely, especially if they are careful, but it's still a goddamn possibility. Why in God's name would you recommend something deadly when there are 50 other things you could try first?

 

Additionally, OP believes that anti-depressant ruined his/her brain. Do you think they are ready for that right here and now? Absolutely not. That's why I am trying to work with them to make them understand that that wasn't the case.

Edited by OneScrewLoose, 10 October 2016 - 11:53 PM.

[gamesguru]

Out of curiosity, did GameGuru diagnose himself?

 

no.  Freud and Lacan did, in my dream.  also, it's games

 

I am not hundred 100% about anything

 

can't be assed to check if it was mentioned, but which antidepressants are we talking about here?  i suggest you adopt a holistic lifestyle, regardless of whether or not they caused damage.

[maxwatt]

exercise. 

[PeaceAndProsperity]

I'm curious why men with gender dysphoria, who feel of themselves as being feminine, don't try going to a trt clinic (legal)and upping their androgens? That's what many men do precisely because it makes them feel more masculine and it does work at least in the beginning.

[Mind_Paralysis]

WARNING: I am going to be a complete asshole here because I have to.

 

FFS, this shit makes me furious. Why is it that so many people on Longecity throw around their cursory 'knowledge' of Borderline Personality Disorder like they have a single fucking clue what they are talking about or what it means? Am I being harsh? Yes, because this shit needs to be said, and posted as a sticky on the top Longecity as to not harm people with BS diagnoses.

My sister has BPD, and I grew up dealing with that shit day. It’s hell for every single person around them.

 

 

 

 

I can understand to a certain extent how you feel regarding this, as well as the intensity of the emotions - I was brought up by a step-father suffering from severe Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and I'm currently going through severe burnout caused in part by trying to maintain a relationship with a BPD-er. I know precisely what you speak of.

 

With that said...

 

You usually post some quality stuff on this forum, and I have a degree of respect for you, but your reply here was definitely not on-par. If you want me to change my mind and educate me, you should have posted with more composure.

 

 

 

"No, Gender Dysphoria, the feeling of your gender not matching your sex, is what causes one to be trans, not the other way around."

 

No, Gender Identity Disorder is the state which causes the feeling of your gender not matching your sex, the Dysphoria is, as I understand it, a secondary diagnosis, which need not necessarily develop - you don't magically get anxiety and depression right off the bat, just because you have Identity Disorder. I was a bit unclear on this though, and I understand that the acronym is the same - that's the way I perceived the information though.

 

 

I based it on the discussion going on in academia, where there is a case being made that the feeling of not fitting with your gender shouldn't be made a disease, and that it is as a matter of fact the environmental reaction to the disorder, society, which causes the anxiety and depression - the dysphoria part.

 

Recommendations for Revision of the DSM Diagnosis of Gender Identity Disorder in Adults

http://www.tandfonli...739.2010.509202

 

 

So much dumbfuckery and ass-backward information.

 

First of all, BPD isn’t classified as a ‘neuropsychiatric disease’, although if you want to be pedantic, you can classify any mental condition as such. It’s classified as a personality disorder.

Second it is NOT AT ALL similar to ADHD. ADHD is the inability to maintain sustained concentration on a specific task, with evidence coming out that this is the result of a problem in the prioritization of stimuli due to mutations on D4 receptors, and perhaps other dopamine receptors. BPD is a severe emotional disorder that causes the person to not be able to control the volume or context of their emotions correctly. The volume of their emotions are often on ‘11’. Whether happy, sad, angry, or afraid, it’s always to the max. Additionally, they have problems applying these emotions to the context of the events around them, assigning them to the wrong meaning. This gives the perception to the outsider that they can ‘snap’ at any time. This emotional chaos leads to frequent abandonment, and additionally, internal emotional chaos and rapid emotional change does not lead to a stable internal sense of self, leading to an unstable internal construction of self and identity. This is VERY different than the issues with gender identity seen with Gender Dysphoria. With gender dysphoria, the identity issue is actually clear once it’s resolved: ‘I am the gender that is opposite of the sex I am displaying’. With BPD, it’s complete instability.

For more information and research that you should have done before diagnosing someone like OP, and potentially harming him/her, check out this link in this little known website:
https://en.wikipedia...nality_disorder

 

I *KNOW* it's not classified as an NPD - but it *should* be!

 

And why are you acting all surprised that there's talks of doing so, because of emerging, NEW evidence? The same has happened with a whole ton of NPD's - ADHD and Autism used to be considered personality-disorders or trauma disorders or conduct disorders or similar, as recently as 30 years ago.

 

Well, those classifications were all wrong - and they caused immense unnecessary suffering because so many people were foolish enough to not look closer at the diseases before classifying them.

 

The same has happened to BPD - it's a disorder characterized by faulty Fronto-Amygdal circuitry - the recurring neuro-anatomical changes have been identified. And the frontal alterations ARE similar to ADHD...! It's a fact that ADHD-ers have issues with controlling emotion - that's why Borderline and ADHD sometimes get misdiagnosed as one or the other.

 

 

Here, have a look at some of the data which is emerging regarding the neuro-anatomy of the disorder:

 

 

Borderline personality disorder is a heritable brain disease

http://www.mdedge.co...order-heritable

 

Brain structure and function in borderline personality disorder
http://link.springer...0429-012-0379-4

 

Orbital frontal and amygdala volume reductions in obsessive-compulsive disorder.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/10530633

 

Evidence of abnormal amygdala functioning in borderline personality disorder: a functional MRI study.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/11522264

 

Amygdala-prefrontal disconnection in borderline personality disorder.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/17203018

 

Neural Correlates of Disturbed Emotion Processing in Borderline Personality Disorder: A Multimodal Meta-Analysis.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/25935068

 

Behavioral Inhibition System activity is associated with increased amygdala and hippocampal gray matter volume: A voxel-based morphometry study

http://www.sciencedi...05381190600797X

 

 

And yes, I *DO* also know that BPD isn't the same as GID, I know what the differences are.

 

I was probably unclear in my last post - I should have made it clear that I think GID is a disease (or state) independent from BPD or other comobidities - I don't think GID can, nor needs to be cured - I was simply trying to find something which the OP could get treatment for so the OP can start feeling better, and start getting control of his GID.

 

I must admit also that I shouldn't just have gone with what GamesGuru and others on the net said, because when I review the evidence myself, the case for PD's appearing as comorbidities among GID-ers aren't at all as clear as I thought it was - so I'm sorry about that.

 

 

Never-the-less, here's the info on comorbidities among GID-ers:

 

Personality Disorders in Persons with Gender Identity Disorder

https://www.hindawi....wj/2014/809058/

(the above study found Axis II - BPD among them, to be more common)

 

Psychiatric characteristics in transsexual individuals: multicentre study in four European countries

http://bjp.rcpsych.o...ntent/204/2/151

(the above study found that depression and anxiety was more common, but not Axis II-disorders, aka PD's like BPD)

 

It's actually quite hard to tell still... there's a big Iranian study which definitely shows Axis II, but Iran is a special case, where people who don't even WANT to change sex does so, because of draconian laws on sexuality - ergo, Iranian studies on this subject are sh*t.
 

 

They’re highly unstable for the reasons I mentioned above, not because of just sexual identity. Your conflation of the two is maddening.

 

 

I know why they're unstable. I know the complexity.

 

I was unclear in that I meant that sexual preference was a part of this instability, and that it's therefore important to know if you have both GID and BPD or if it's only one or the other.

 

 

I am 100% certain OP doesn’t have BPD. Your lack of knowledge in this area might literally be poisoning OPs mind, and adding the notion of having an extremely difficult disorder to any already extremely difficult time he is having. I am sorry I had to be such an ass, I am really am. I never have on this forum before. But there are some levels of misinformation that can be outright harmful, or even devastating, and this was really out there. I had to call you out.

 

 

You can't be a 100% certain of that - but neither am I - not certain AT ALL, in fact! That's why I want the OP to consider if the OP has some other problems as well, which could be treated and mean that the OP gets an easier time of living, so the OP can figure out the OP's Gender Identity Issues.

Now, regarding calling someone out - that can actually be a very good thing, because someone may simply be misinformed, which I admittedly partially was, or they may be malicious - a person of reason and science must then act to enlighten others, since ignorance can be a really dangerous thing.

 

However, there is something to be said about how one does so - I personally don't think you did a good job of it here - you're letting your emotions cloud your judgement - your message is noble, but your presentation is lacking.

 

 

Now, I think we both learned something from this, and I find you to be a sincere fellow, so I'm definitely willing to let bygones be bygones, and am willing to extend a hand where we both agree to do better in the future.

Waddaya' say? = )

[platypus]

You need to find a good doctor/therapist, bad ones are useless in your case. Contact an LGBT-organisation to find suitable ones in your area. 

[stackhope]

Thank you ! but I find that doctors are not understanding

 

 

YO! No prob's. = ) I'm currently going through catastrophic brainfog because of an over-faith in myself - I've got burnout and attempted to try a new course today - trying to become an entrepreneur - turns out I was too quick there - I'm super-fatigued today, and it was NOT a hectic environment - I'm just still that messed up... I'll be giving it a few days, but it's clear I need more rehabilitation first.

 

Anyways, I'm going to be returning to the thread, soon, but first, I'd like to give you a suggestion for the anxiety which then eventually triggers the depression:

 

 

1. Duloxetine - an SNRI, which has been found in recent reviews to be the best medication for anxiety currently in wide use.

 

Read more about it here:

https://www.research...A_meta-analysis

(figure 2 contains a comparison of different agents - SNRI's where found to be the most effective)

 

UK study which found Duloxetine to be better than Venlafaxine (both are SNRI's)

http://www.bmj.com/c...t/342/bmj.d1199

 

 

 

2. NSI-189 + Memantine - NSI-189 should break the depression - alas, it is also highly anxiogenic - it CAUSES anxiety, presumably because anxiety is caused by both increased glutamatergic and serotonergic activity - and NSI-189 seems to light up your entire brain like a christmas-tree! Hence I recommend Memantine as an add-on - it's got highly promising results in trials, and has been known to impair NSI-189 -induced anxiety - another glutamatergic drug, Tianeptine, also does this. ( I'm on it right now - so I would agree)

 

Both compounds are however difficult to obtain.

 

3. PHENELZINE (nardil, et c) - an MAOI, a substance which inhibits the process through which your body breaks down neurotransmitters. It has serious side-effects, but you sound like you have a lot of problems - some of what you describe sound similar to depression + anxiety + SOCIAL PHOBIA - Phenelzine actually helps the most with the last one, and has an effect on all symptoms.

 

 

All of the compounds above are also pro-cognitive, hence why I've listed them - Memantine has the side-effect of a many-fold increased brainfog at the start of treatment - however, after the brainfog ceases, you will experience TREMENDOUS increase in cognition...! It's a medication originally created to improve memory and treat Alzheimers.

 

Right, to top it all off, I'm going to post some neat recent reviews on the matter of GID - seems like what I said before holds true: only transitional treatment helps those with a clear binary identity - everyone who's somewhere in-between will have trouble... Luckily, it does sound as if you are binary! = ) Hence, transitional treatment will help. However, you need to get better mentally first, so that you truly are a HUNDRED percent certain: these things aren't to be done lightly.

 

But, once you feel better, and can be really certain, then you could really, really become well again with transition. = )

 

Gender identity disorder: a literature review from a developmental perspective.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/20733256

 

Mental health and gender dysphoria: A review of the literature.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/26835611

 

 

Gender Dysphoria in Adults

http://www.annualrev...y-021815-093034

 

 

Thanks I researched all of these compounds but I do not think I will be trying any , its clear that the antidepressions had a highly toxic affect on me

of which it has taken along time to recover from so I am not looking for anything potentially dangerous or at any SSRI's like HTP

 

I am thinking more on the lines of adding a choline like DMAE or Choline bit. both ?

I looked at Inositol In but im unsure again weather it would be of any use

I have looked in NAC but I am unsure of the conflicting information as to weather it would be safe or not

also Glycine and ALCAR

im thinking

 

Memory

Function

Antioxident

Sleep

Cognition

 

What do you think about these ?

The problem im having is finding things then reading bad experiences and thinking can't risk it , which I can't . but I do seek to do a safe cycle to help myself become more able

thank you !!

[stackhope]

I'm curious why men with gender dysphoria, who feel of themselves as being feminine, don't try going to a trt clinic (legal)and upping their androgens? That's what many men do precisely because it makes them feel more masculine and it does work at least in the beginning.

 

HI

 

I have researched weather its possible to be a result of low hormones and I had found that it is not .

also I don't think its about feeling feminine or mascuine

its about being detacted from your body and its Gender idenitity

 

if everytime you saw your self in your mind as the oppersite gender from being a child , and then

you started to realize you are so out of touch with who you are because you look at your self and and chop it into

parts that even look like who you should be with parts that you don't associate with , you start to view your body and this thing

that has no relation to you its complicated

 

sometimes I feel like I am a human in a contraption

 

thanks

[stackhope]

 

Out of curiosity, did GameGuru diagnose himself?

 

no.  Freud and Lacan did, in my dream.  also, it's games

 

I am not hundred 100% about anything

 

can't be assed to check if it was mentioned, but which antidepressants are we talking about here?  i suggest you adopt a holistic lifestyle, regardless of whether or not they caused damage.

 

 

Prozac , fluoxetine

 

The muscle ticks and twitches have stopped resently with the supplements I have been taking
which is a huge relief

Edited by stackhope, 11 October 2016 - 12:35 PM.

[stackhope]

Also, NSI-189 and Nardil are TERRIBLE recommendations unless one has been through a lot of medicines and are running out of options. NSi-189 is still experimental, has not been FDA approved, and has to be ordered online because of this.

 

Nardil can outright KILL you if you eat the wrong foods. You are recommending a medicine that can kill someone. Sure, it's unlikely, especially if they are careful, but it's still a goddamn possibility. Why in God's name would you recommend something deadly when there are 50 other things you could try first?

 

Additionally, OP believes that anti-depressant ruined his/her brain. Do you think they are ready for that right here and now? Absolutely not. That's why I am trying to work with them to make them understand that that wasn't the case.

 

Hi I have been telling myself this "anti-depressants didn't ruin my brain, I am just fine"

which has helped me alot because I am not longer falling into the black out of

I USED TO BE OKAY BUT NOW I AM SO BROKEN BEYOND REPAIR

I able to self understand that I had a mental set break in terms of self development but I am getting better everyday

its made a difference and it was worth joining this site for and has made me realize the importance of ditching negativity completely

I am opperating at a lower level trying to get higher and I cannot do that with negatives because they are to heavy

sorry to read about your sister hope she is doing well

Edited by stackhope, 11 October 2016 - 01:10 PM.

[Mind_Paralysis]

Also, NSI-189 and Nardil are TERRIBLE recommendations unless one has been through a lot of medicines and are running out of options. NSi-189 is still experimental, has not been FDA approved, and has to be ordered online because of this.

 

Nardil can outright KILL you if you eat the wrong foods. You are recommending a medicine that can kill someone. Sure, it's unlikely, especially if they are careful, but it's still a goddamn possibility. Why in God's name would you recommend something deadly when there are 50 other things you could try first?

 

Additionally, OP believes that anti-depressant ruined his/her brain. Do you think they are ready for that right here and now? Absolutely not. That's why I am trying to work with them to make them understand that that wasn't the case.

 

Stackhope mentions things which sound similar to cognitive decline, possibly induced from a rare reaction to SSRI's - Stackhope also mentions that stackhope thinks it's the SSRI's which have poisoned stackhopes brain and caused issues.

 

Yeah ok, Nardil has potentially dangerous side-effects - but Stackhope mentions tremendous problems with Social Phobia as well, and I'm sorry, but treatment-resistant cases like Stackhope (which I figured stackhope would be, since that seems to be what stackhope's saying) don't have much other options when it comes to treating that. My general thought was of course that Stackhope would be prescribed Nardil by a Dr. and given sufficient advice and testing to make use of Nardil SAFE.
 

And NSI-189 repairs brains. There's no question about it - if you haven't actually taken it, then you honestly can't disregard the successful studies either. It works.

With that said, it's super-hard to come by, so that does make it an ill-fitting suggestion.

 

Now, if you could just stop talking to me in a fairly negative and loud way, then that would be lovely.

[Mind_Paralysis]

 

 

Thanks I researched all of these compounds but I do not think I will be trying any , its clear that the antidepressions had a highly toxic affect on me

of which it has taken along time to recover from so I am not looking for anything potentially dangerous or at any SSRI's like HTP

 

I am thinking more on the lines of adding a choline like DMAE or Choline bit. both ?

I looked at Inositol In but im unsure again weather it would be of any use

I have looked in NAC but I am unsure of the conflicting information as to weather it would be safe or not

also Glycine and ALCAR

im thinking

 

Memory

Function

Antioxident

Sleep

Cognition

 

What do you think about these ?

The problem im having is finding things then reading bad experiences and thinking can't risk it , which I can't . but I do seek to do a safe cycle to help myself become more able

thank you !!

 

 

Well, I'll give a shot at some helpful supplements.

 

 

Memory - Omega-3 - 2-3 grams, upregulates Choline, BDNF, helps build brain-matter.

 

Function - Acetyl L-carnitine, increases energy-metabolism.

 

Antioxidant - Omega-3, acetylsalicylic acid (aspirin, et c) - dosing varies, but it's the combo which does the amazing antioxidant-work. Omega-3 in itself does have some of that effect as well.

 

Sleep - Magnesium-L-Threonate - 2 grams,  Melatonin 10 mg. (melatonin must absolutely be taken at the same time every evening)

 

Cognition - Pyritinol increases reaction-time, this should be useful for your cognition.

Edited by Stinkorninjor, 11 October 2016 - 01:45 PM.

[OneScrewLoose]

 

Also, NSI-189 and Nardil are TERRIBLE recommendations unless one has been through a lot of medicines and are running out of options. NSi-189 is still experimental, has not been FDA approved, and has to be ordered online because of this.

 

Nardil can outright KILL you if you eat the wrong foods. You are recommending a medicine that can kill someone. Sure, it's unlikely, especially if they are careful, but it's still a goddamn possibility. Why in God's name would you recommend something deadly when there are 50 other things you could try first?

 

Additionally, OP believes that anti-depressant ruined his/her brain. Do you think they are ready for that right here and now? Absolutely not. That's why I am trying to work with them to make them understand that that wasn't the case.

 

Stackhope mentions things which sound similar to cognitive decline, possibly induced from a rare reaction to SSRI's - Stackhope also mentions that stackhope thinks it's the SSRI's which have poisoned stackhopes brain and caused issues.

 

Yeah ok, Nardil has potentially dangerous side-effects - but Stackhope mentions tremendous problems with Social Phobia as well, and I'm sorry, but treatment-resistant cases like Stackhope (which I figured stackhope would be, since that seems to be what stackhope's saying) don't have much other options when it comes to treating that. My general thought was of course that Stackhope would be prescribed Nardil by a Dr. and given sufficient advice and testing to make use of Nardil SAFE.
 

And NSI-189 repairs brains. There's no question about it - if you haven't actually taken it, then you honestly can't disregard the successful studies either. It works.

With that said, it's super-hard to come by, so that does make it an ill-fitting suggestion.

 

Now, if you could just stop talking to me in a fairly negative and loud way, then that would be lovely.

 

 

Cognitive Decline? Are you kidding me? OP has all the symptoms of the intense emotional confusion of being exactly where he/she is in life right now. Please cite this 'rare reaction' in medical literature, not a blog.

 

OK, you believe Nardil is the right choice for YOU. Perhaps you have gone through many drugs and they simply didn't work. How does this make it a proper choice for OP, given how little we know about him/her?

Repairs Brains? Multiple citations needed. Preferably from journals with impact factors above 2. Also, you seem to have extrapolated that OP has some sort of brain damage instead of the far more likely conclusion that OP is in some sort of emotional crisis. What brings you to this conclusion.

[PeaceAndProsperity]

HI

 

I have researched weather its possible to be a result of low hormones and I had found that it is not .

also I don't think its about feeling feminine or mascuine

its about being detacted from your body and its Gender idenitity

 

if everytime you saw your self in your mind as the oppersite gender from being a child , and then

you started to realize you are so out of touch with who you are because you look at your self and and chop it into

parts that even look like who you should be with parts that you don't associate with , you start to view your body and this thing

that has no relation to you its complicated

 

sometimes I feel like I am a human in a contraption

Respectfully, based upon your detailed description it almost appears as if what you are experiencing is not gender dysphoria but something on the psychotic spectrum, or in a weak sense (because borderline is so much more) related to borderline pd.