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[ironfistx]

Guys on here were saying they were trying to avoid something that is in whey powder.

[OneScrewLoose]

No, it's quite good for you. They were either allergic to it or idiots.

[pamojja]

 

Guys on here were saying they were trying to avoid something that is in whey powder.

 

Whey is high in the amino-acid methionine. Some here try to limit methionine intake. Others don't: https://selfhacked.c...ne-restriction/

[OneScrewLoose]

You're gonna cite self-hacked? That's the buzzfeed as nutrition.

[Adamzski]

What about kidney stones?

I would if possible get enough protien from foods then suppliment to get 30% or so over the RDI

[RWhigham]

Pro: Whey doesn't have any of the type A1 beta-casein protein which Australia has banned but which is still in most milk and cheese in the US. (Jersey cows have type A2 beta-casein. Jersey milk is fine.)

 

Con:

Some of the proteins in whey stop autophagy. Its best to keep your autophagy running for 15-16 hours every day, so only take whey later in the day. Breakfast is the most important meal to not eat so overnight autophagy can continue until noon.

 

We likely evolved around frequent involuntary fasting.

 

The long "mediterranean" life span can be attributed (in part) to the frequent fasting required by the Greek Orthodox Church.

 

Autophagy goes through several phases, and doesn't reach the lipophagy phase during the first 10 hours. If your lipid droplets get too prevalent, they interfere with cell operation, and become difficult/impossible to clean out.

http://www.sciencedi...38819811600007X

"Autophagy is a catabolic process with an essential function in the maintenance of cellular and tissue homeostasis. It is primarily recognised for its role in the degradation of dysfunctional proteins and unwanted organelles, however in recent years the range of autophagy substrates has also been extended to lipids."

Edited by RWhigham, 28 October 2016 - 05:13 AM.

[aconita]

The long "mediterranean" life span can be attributed (in part) to the frequent fasting required by the Greek Orthodox Church.

 

Mmmmmm....Greek Orthodox Church in the Mediterranean area is only in Greece and actually longest lifespan in that area (and one of the best in the world) is achieved in Sardinia (Italy) where there is no fasting tradition but a very relaxed lifestyle and simple natural nutrition plus social interaction due to the small towns and villages.

 

 

[Junk Master]

Well, let's all not forget the huge role genetics plays in longevity.

 

My favorite example is Norman Lalane, Jack Lalane's brother, who was a heavy drinker and smoker and lived to be 97.  One year longer than Jack, the fitness pioneer, who could do 1,200 something pushups at 42, and who notoriously pulled a barge back from Alcatraz, swimming with a rope in his teeth.  Heck, even Gov Arnold once called Jack, "An animal..."

 

Personally, I do think there's something to intermittent fasting, and practice it myself-- but I'm more of a "health span" v. lifespan type.

 

 

[Keizo]

Not much more than protein is it?

For me I stay away from it, because, 1. It is very easy for me to get to 1 gram of protein per kg of body-weight (more or less what you want for building muscle). 2. Whey protein often makes me very tired, sometimes slightly nauseous

(Regular milk causes me no problems)

Edited by Keizo, 01 November 2016 - 12:07 AM.

[Oakman]

There's definitely some legitimate controversy around whey protein supplements. First, are they really needed, and second are they good for you. When you consider how they are presented and the prices asked, I'd say this article sums up fairly well how cow's milk whey is marketed and sold >

 

http://nutritionstud...protein-powder/

 

Google search will find many similar articles on its health effects in humans, many unfavorable.

 

I tried, then stopped using cow's milk whey for the most part, as I learned more in-depth about its effects on the body vs. alternatives. Not only that, but it's getting harder to find "pure" products unadulterated with artificial sweeteners and other substances. Vendors seem to want to do everything to make the product super sweet, candy like tasting, with many added substances to 'improve' it >

 

http://www.supplemen...y-whey-protein/

http://www.livestron...-goats-vs-cows/

 

Here's a suitable, more healthy replacement, that I use sparingly now. These folks whey/protein powder is made from fresh goats milk, not the leftover product of producing cheese as most cow's mil whey is made>

 

http://www.mtcapra.c...ded-protein.pdf

http://www.mtcapra.c...hey_protein.pdf

[ironfistx]

Pro: Whey doesn't have any of the type A1 beta-casein protein which Australia has banned but which is still in most milk and cheese in the US. (Jersey cows have type A2 beta-casein. Jersey milk is fine.)
 
Con:
Some of the proteins in whey stop autophagy. Its best to keep your autophagy running for 15-16 hours every day, so only take whey later in the day. Breakfast is the most important meal to not eat so overnight autophagy can continue until noon.
 
We likely evolved around frequent involuntary fasting.
 
The long "mediterranean" life span can be attributed (in part) to the frequent fasting required by the Greek Orthodox Church.
 
Autophagy goes through several phases, and doesn't reach the lipophagy phase during the first 10 hours. If your lipid droplets get too prevalent, they interfere with cell operation, and become difficult/impossible to clean out.
http://www.sciencedi...38819811600007X
"Autophagy is a catabolic process with an essential function in the maintenance of cellular and tissue homeostasis. It is primarily recognised for its role in the degradation of dysfunctional proteins and unwanted organelles, however in recent years the range of autophagy substrates has also been extended to lipids."[/size]

I was having whey protein in the morning.

[airplanepeanuts]

Personally I doubt it's bad.

 

It helps a lot with building mucle for sure. I can get visibly more muscular after a single visit to the gym, training with machines about an hour if I combine this with whey. I only do this a few times per year.

(This will not work if you are new to weight training. I have done it a lot in the past and it's much easier to build muscles back than it is to build them up for the first time.)

 

Edited by airplanepeanuts, 01 November 2016 - 11:34 PM.

[kurdishfella]

the fat content is labeled just as any nutritional fact would be labeled. Its  not actual fat from the animal dairy. Its listed to tell you the percentage of fat in the powder.

[kurdishfella]

Also I get brain zaps initially from whey protein