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[Luna]

I doubt stargate or wrap drive can work.. but hey!

I think stargate is cool because you only need to leave it there and then the travel is pretty much instant So,, build a wrap drive, get there faster, build a stargate, get there even faster!

[treonsverdery]

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look at what I found viewing the source
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you know how people talk about wildcardgate as a scandal  well *gate is colanguage with the notion that stars are scandalous

stars are among a variety of things energy diagrams

I think that when people mutiny sufficiently to reject (s)tars they will have the white light energy to make travelfasterthanlightdoors

Talk about pattern magic

mutiny

I have recently communicated with numerous persons capable of sending thoughts; when they reject their tradition they can just use the same techniques to be measured to see if their effects are faster than light with that beginning comes faster than light travel; I have heard these people described as stars "s tars"  when they reject S sufficiently to actually technologize their abilities the faster than light benefit is creatable

I think that an adept telepath, given a task of communicating some variant on "oil" should just say, technologize this.  even scribes welcomed word processing; time to mutiny beyond variations on "fuck you motherfucker" to at least get to "motherfucker has a suggestion I could use if I mutinied" then "motherfucker says an actual mother is a human able to bear live young plus nurse them, that perhaps the phrase "fuck you human being trying to rescue humans" would be more accurate; then if they mutiny sufficiently to think on it they could reach the "rescing agent; our preference is thing"

they could even describe the thing

Edited by treonsverdery, 04 June 2010 - 01:36 AM.

[bobdrake12]

This is interesting.

Any comments?

http://www.unitel-qh...&id=1&Itemid=11



Aerospace

Intro



Unitel, Inc. will provide mankind with the first practical interstellar transportation system. Based on our patented laser lens and specifically shaped hull, our aerospace propulsion system will feature two modes of transportation: Electromagnetic propulsion, which will be used for short-range interplanetary travel, while elastic tunneling will allow interstellar travel throughout the universe.

The Unitel's Type VI MOSS Vehicle requires the three-part laser lens and charged hull to produce specific quantum effects in order to be used for propulsion. MOSS (Macroscopically Observable Superconductive State) pertains to a system that is observable on a large-scale, yet bound to the same quantum laws as a subatomic particle. The fact that atoms or particles can exist on a macroscopic scale was recently proven with the creation of a Bose-Einstein condensate, a proven MOSS system. Unitel's Type VI vehicle is itself a MOSS system.

On a subatomic level light can be viewed as a light string, where one end point is moving at the speed of light. The projected plasma of the laser assumes the role of a macroscopic light string. Our vehicle will traverse the light string like a photon. This can be considered electromagnetic propulsion, because we utilize a quantum mechanical function intrinsic to monopoles, in order to generate a strong magnetic attraction.  Dr.'s Raymond Chiao and Akira Tomita were able to physically measure quantum monopole-like effects.

For traveling huge distances, such as from earth to the nearest solar system, our ship will tunnel. Tunneling is a commonplace phenomenon at sub-nuclear levels and occurs in semiconductors, nuclear fusion, and the tunneling electron microscope. Unitel will use the lens to generate electromagnetic bucking waves, denoting a direct interaction with the zero point energy (ZPE). The ZPE is found in the vacuum of space. It is referred to as zero point, because the energy is not thermal in nature. The ZPE consist of random quantum fluctuation. Acting as a single giant electron, the Unitel spaceship will tunnel through the fabric of spacetime to arrive at a calculated destination. The same distance could take eons to travel by conventional means. In this manner, our vehicle will demonstrate superluminal or faster than light capabilities.

Scalar fields fill the Universe and mark their presence by affecting the properties of elementary particles. Scalar fields in nature can generate mass by the expansion of the wave length of quantum fluctuations. Large fluctuations such as those produced by our propulsion system may alter the observed properties of physics. The Unitel vehicle with its charged hull surface and projected laser plasma will polarize the scalar field underlying the elementary particles in our Universe and organize the quantum fluctuations coherently to make them large enough to alter physics locally in order to provide instantaneous translation from one spacetime coordinate to any other.

[Luna]

It looks like promises I think there were quite a bit of physics breaking promises recently that it's a bit hard to expect for anything when reading this kind of stuff. Hope is always nice though.

[Reno]

Either way you go, I want to see full molecular nanotechnology before we go to the stars. That includes mature nanotechnology based medical care, and a mobile Molecular assembler. To go to the stars without such insurance would be extremely risky if not completely disastrous.

Edited by Reno, 26 June 2010 - 06:45 PM.

[niner]

Reno, on 26 June 2010 - 06:44 PM, said:

Either way you go, I want to see full molecular nanotechnology before we go to the stars. That includes mature nanotechnology based medical care, and a mobile Molecular assembler. To go to the stars without such insurance would be extremely risky if not completely disastrous.

Something tells me that we will have advanced nanotech before Unitel gets their ship off the ground.  It would certainly be cool if they could do it, though.

[ChromodynamicGirl]

While I can't claim omniscience as to the future, there simply is no plausible scenario to ever get access to the huge amount of purely theoretical materials and absurd amounts of energy that would be required to do this. What it takes to warp space to any appreciable degree is higher energy concentration than the sun, on the level of black holes. And without a preexisting warp-drive there is no way you could ever move these elements together in such a vast amount to do this. You'd also need something like strange matter to keep a warp stable, and you quite simply can't go into a neutron star and pull stuff out. And even if you could, you could never move it anywhere. If you try to use a black hole the accretion disk will pellet you with particles with such intense energy that no possible material could withstand it without being destroyed.

I don't understand why so many transhumanists have such baseless beliefs about physics. Reality isn't comic books, there are some things which simply are not possible. Even if we don't know what they are, the very fact that there are certain physical laws at all entails certain other things can not be done. STL travel is what we're going to be stuck with, and I don't see why this is such a problem. There is plenty of room in our own solar system; eventually you could send robots off to other solar systems to go from nearby stellar mass to nearby stellar mass, but even then their activities and communications are going to be confined to the local region.

Edited by ChromodynamicGirl, 12 October 2010 - 04:34 AM.

[kurt9]

The plausible contenders for a propellant-less space drive, FTL, or wormhole are:

1) Mach effect - Mach-Lorentz Thrusters and traversable wormholes (Woodward and March)
2) Extended Heim Theory (Droescher and Hauser)
3) QVF/ZPF (Puthoff, Haisch, and Davis)

[treonsverdery]

eww I just had this image then a phrase I figured it out appear at my brain
I think an unknown kind of thing may have amplified my thinking ability

thus just maybe this is like a human glimpsing diagrams from a different intelligence


It goes like this

first ask
what would space have to look like to make a warp drive function
then viewing that kind of dynamic picture which is kind of like a reverse exponential fractal like, the appearence of anisotropic complexity is higher at a particular direction which grows at an exponential rate (you notice how people use the word exponential yet omit saying what number they are using as an exponent)  then at that geometry the potential energy of following or avoiding the fractal bulge of material is higher than the stationaryizing effect  now im getting this image which I think is kludge of a curved triangle whe the three corners actually curve up n around the meet at the center.  (I think its a kludge cause the giant triangle thing just likes people to say triangle a lot)  

if you visualize a thing going around thesides of the corner angles of the same time it eventually appears at the base


actually ill phrase this differently  
visualize a travelling structure that causes more space than 3 space that you could follow, then the opposite of that is travelling linear  use the geometric oppoverse of that same geometric process to describe a more direct than linear path from 3dness



theres a nifty song with the phrase "I dont go too fast but I goes pretty far" thatsuperfits   yet the actual phrasing that superfits the idea is "it doesn't go too fast  but it goes pretty far"

 potato wearing radioactive bikini with camel toe or warp drive.jpg   37.92K   11 downloads

also there appears to a diagram of a potato wearing a radioactive bikini with visible camel toe  complementing the idea
(that might be a result of the giant potato wearing a radioactive bikini with visible camel toe thing just likes people to say potato wearing a radioactive bikini with visible camel toe a lot)  

among the possibilities view the radioactive bikini wearing potato as surfaced with fractal trianges defined with unlike other fractals edge whatsanotherwordforsolid yet center highly surfaced area superfractal  You could slide along the outer edges traversing less distance than anything near the center of each triabgular part of the radioactive bikini ()()() then YOU travel like  an upside down tripod opening while the radioactive bikini wearing potato thing just  is a spatial gradient getting there faster than any light path on the surface of the potato wearing a radioactive bikini

the thing is that the traveller has to be made of three parts  That might translate as three attributes or dimension or equation letterobjects  

Just start with the knowledge that the warp drive is less complicated than the alternative then describe a technology to avoid the alternative