ImmInst Multi is out

Is there any reason that the hyperlinked page to RevGenetics is blank? Also, if I'm not mistaken, a product listing doesn't appear to be anywhere on the website.

Is there any reason that the hyperlinked page to RevGenetics is blank? Also, if I'm not mistaken, a product listing doesn't appear to be anywhere on the website.

I believe there's a discrepancy in the label.

By end of day Friday we will likely stop Vimmortal sales to re-order labels and correct the discrepancy.
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Vimmortal will be available next month after correcting the labels.

http://www.imminst.o...post__p__435197

  Eagerly awaiting my bottle of Vimmortal;  I placed my one-time order just before the deadline on the 15th.

@ Anthony_Loera,


Is there any s/h price break for ordering the monthly subscription?

Do you have a storefront in Miami where locals can pick-up their/our orders?

Thanks.   Best, Mia

I'm not going to lie, I'd rather still be able to buy the multi regardless of the label saying niacinamide instead of nicotinic acid; so long as it actually CONTAINS nicotinic acid, I don't care about what the label says. Now I need to decide whether to wait and go without a multi or buy another product in the meantime...

Too bad this topic got moved from the supplement forum.

It is kind of lost here.

I agree, at the very least update the sticky topic in the Supplements forum to link to this topic (instead of the what appears to be broken link...)

Too bad this topic got moved from the supplement forum.

It is kind of lost here.

I agree, at the very least update the sticky topic in the Supplements forum to link to this topic (instead of the what appears to be broken link...)

yeah the admins around here are geniuses...

Too bad this topic got moved from the supplement forum.

It is kind of lost here.

I agree, at the very least update the sticky topic in the Supplements forum to link to this topic (instead of the what appears to be broken link...)

yeah the admins around here are geniuses...

I am hoping that they can fix my membership so that I can buy vImmortal at the membership price (otherwise forget it). I started an annual subscription through PayPal last September for $50, which automatically renewed this last September for another $50, but my membership expired and still is expired. I have been waiting for almost a week now.... Multi Basics is looking tempting ;-) I cancelled the PayPal subscription so that I can manually renew each year through ImmInst.

I am hoping that they can fix my membership so that I can buy vImmortal at the membership price (otherwise forget it). I started an annual subscription through PayPal last September for $50, which automatically renewed this last September for another $50, but my membership expired and still is expired. I have been waiting for almost a week now.... Multi Basics is looking tempting ;-) I cancelled the PayPal subscription so that I can manually renew each year through ImmInst.

You'll have to wait till November because it needs a label update.
Hopefully your membership problem will be sorted before then.

Edited by rwac, 22 October 2010 - 03:27 AM.

this stuff is great. no complaints.

I'm wondering why bitartrate was chosen over citrate? Both are pretty cheap

Regarding niacinamide, this thread (linked to the summary post) seems to suggest that there isn't much practical difference between the forms. And unlike other multis, the dosage is reasonable enough that any negative effects on NAD/etc will be very minimal.

Reading Living the CR Way had made me cautious about anything with added niacin of any form, but the link you include along with your response, if I'm reading it right, makes me think this multi might go along with CR just fine.

Why are the B12 levels so low? 25mg? Really? Eventhough this form is the most absorbent, it's still a very low dosage and would force a lot of people to need additional supplementation for b12.

The amount of Choline is troublesome for someone with a history depression as it can worsen the problem in some individuals.

Vitamin C seems way too low. Why no megadosage of vitamin c but one for vitamin D?

IMO all of the numbers seem quite low aside from Magnesium (good) and choline (bad)

Vitamin C seems way too low. Why no megadosage of vitamin c but one for vitamin D?

Well for starters, the Vitamin D dose is really not a megadose at all. It is actually still much less than most people will require.

Why are the B12 levels so low? 25mg? Really? Eventhough this form is the most absorbent, it's still a very low dosage and would force a lot of people to need additional supplementation for b12.

24mcg is 400% of the RDA which is perfectly reasonable for a general purpose multivitamin. If you need more you can buy a B12 supplement and add what you think you need, but most people probably don't need more. The goal of a multi shouldn't be to mega dose every vitamin, but to provide the basics not adequately covered by your diet.

Vitamin C seems way too low. Why no megadosage of vitamin c but one for vitamin D?

Again, the point here is to NOT megadose. The Vitamin D dose is not a megadose by any stretch.

The link for the discount code page does not work. I get the following error: "[#10342] We could not determine which forum this topic is in."

Is there another link?

The link for the discount code page does not work. I get the following error: "[#10342] We could not determine which forum this topic is in."

Is there another link?

You have to be a member to get the discount.

So...sold many of these vitamins? I think it's a terrible multi at any price with nothing to commend it. I would buy almost any brand sold at iherb rather than this one. It is missing important nutrients, it has non-active forms of nutrients, and it has poor dosages of nutrients. Nor does it contain anything - sexy - like age extension nutrients. Why exactly do you think this is better than, for instance, the LEF multiple? Do you even know why people take multiples? They take them to ensure they get at least a small amount of every necessary nutrient that thye might not get by a hit or miss diet. But your multi IS a hit or miss diet!

So...sold many of these vitamins? I think it's a terrible multi at any price with nothing to commend it. I would buy almost any brand sold at iherb rather than this one. It is missing important nutrients, it has non-active forms of nutrients, and it has poor dosages of nutrients. Nor does it contain anything - sexy - like age extension nutrients. Why exactly do you think this is better than, for instance, the LEF multiple? Do you even know why people take multiples? They take them to ensure they get at least a small amount of every necessary nutrient that thye might not get by a hit or miss diet. But your multi IS a hit or miss diet!

Missing important nutrients? Such as...?
Non-active forms? Which are non-active?
Poor dosages? How so?
Nothing Sexy? Umm, guilty as charged. That wasn't the point. You're right about the point of a multi; to get adequate amounts of essential nutrients, but that's about the only thing you have right.

So...sold many of these vitamins? I think it's a terrible multi at any price with nothing to commend it. I would buy almost any brand sold at iherb rather than this one. It is missing important nutrients, it has non-active forms of nutrients, and it has poor dosages of nutrients. Nor does it contain anything - sexy - like age extension nutrients. Why exactly do you think this is better than, for instance, the LEF multiple? Do you even know why people take multiples? They take them to ensure they get at least a small amount of every necessary nutrient that thye might not get by a hit or miss diet. But your multi IS a hit or miss diet!

Could you make your vehement objections any more vague?

Exactly what "important nutrients" is it missing? What forms are non-active? What nutrients have poor dosages?

edit: niner... :D

Edited by RighteousReason, 14 November 2010 - 04:44 AM.

So...sold many of these vitamins? I think it's a terrible multi at any price with nothing to commend it. I would buy almost any brand sold at iherb rather than this one. It is missing important nutrients, it has non-active forms of nutrients, and it has poor dosages of nutrients. Nor does it contain anything - sexy - like age extension nutrients. Why exactly do you think this is better than, for instance, the LEF multiple? Do you even know why people take multiples? They take them to ensure they get at least a small amount of every necessary nutrient that thye might not get by a hit or miss diet. But your multi IS a hit or miss diet!

Could you make your vehement objections any more vague?

Exactly what "important nutrients" is it missing? What forms are non-active? What nutrients have poor dosages?

edit: niner... :D

Well, I did not mean to be vehement exactly, but I would not buy this multiple, nor seriously consider it. Here is a multiple I would more likely buy, for insstance:
http://www.iherb.com...Caps/18123?at=0

The imminst multiple does not contain all the B vitamins and the ones it does contain are not in their active forms - which means that your body has to make the active forms from the ones you have supplied and many (MANY) people cannot do this -- a small percentage genetically cannot do this and a HUGE percentage cannot do this due to dietary deficiencies. I think the future of vitamins is to provide 100% active forms of all vitamins so that they will work for everyone no matter what deficiencies or circumstances they have. I have to have the imminst multiple label before me to point out all the things missing. I can't recall if you have zinc but I know you have no copper and zinc w/o copper leads to hyperthyroid (Graves), I know you have no calcium and regardless what someone else said, everyone needs it and if you are a meat eater you especially need it (vegetarians with lower protein intake may not need as much calcium as the RDA, but the rest of you do!). The Ca:Mg ratio needs to be 1:1. The zn:cu ratio needs to be at least 15:2 (all women over 50 and possibly men over 50 but certainly mean over 70 would need an additioonal copper supplement for bone health). These are the B vitamins I look for to purchase a multiple:
B1 preferably in the form benfotiamine (THAT would be cutting edge -- no I have not seen a multi with this yet) 25 mg
B2 as Riboflavin 5'-Phosphate 25 mg
B3 as a mixture of niacin and niacinamide 25 mg + 125 mg
B5(as calcium D-pantothenate) 100 mg
B5(as Pantethine) 25 mg
B6 as Pyridoxal 5'-Phosphate 25 mg [NO Pyridoxal HCL, which can cause nerve damage and does not protect the kidneys from advanced gylcation end products]
B9, Folate as l-methylfolate 800 mcg
B12 (500 mg as Adenosylcobalamin and 500 mcg as Methylcobalamin)
choline 50 mg
inositol 50 mg
biotin 400 mcg
PABA 25 mg

A really good multi would have alpha lipoic acid and CoQ10 as well.
The Thorne multiple does not have K2 and that is important. The imminst E dosage is so low that it's a joke, right? I do not remember but I would expect a multi from a group looking for immortality would include chromium because I read somewhere that that is one of the top 10 supplements which have been proven to increase lifespan of small organisms.
I look at the Thorne multiple and I see that I can expend with 1 B Right a day, 1 boron, 1 vanadium, 1 chromium, 1 selenium, and I get zinc and vitamin A which I should take and don't - so it's less pills a day for me and it covers a few holes. On top of this multi I would still have to take 800 IU E, 1.2g C, extra calcium and copper, K2, and later in the day, a second dose of Jarrow B Right. Not including all the other stuff, of course, like alpha lipoic acid, and CoQ10, olive leaf extract, garlic, etc. With the imminst supplement, I would not get the right B Vitamins so right of the bat I am so not interested.

Someone above was questioning the high dose of D. It is not high. I take 10k D/day. I know about a bazillion people over 50 who also do so. I have read that people under 50 shoudl take at least 2k/day. Depends on where you are from, of course, but eventhose who live in Florida have been proven not to get enough sun. So unless you're tropical, the 1k of D for the imminst multi is a good choice.

So...sold many of these vitamins? I think it's a terrible multi at any price with nothing to commend it. I would buy almost any brand sold at iherb rather than this one. It is missing important nutrients, it has non-active forms of nutrients, and it has poor dosages of nutrients. Nor does it contain anything - sexy - like age extension nutrients. Why exactly do you think this is better than, for instance, the LEF multiple? Do you even know why people take multiples? They take them to ensure they get at least a small amount of every necessary nutrient that thye might not get by a hit or miss diet. But your multi IS a hit or miss diet!

Could you make your vehement objections any more vague?

Exactly what "important nutrients" is it missing? What forms are non-active? What nutrients have poor dosages?

edit: niner... :D

One dosage that I very much like is the iodine dosage. I am iodine sensitive and supposedly the imminst dosage is the max an iodine sensitive person can tolerate. Being iodine sensitive means I am copper deficienct (and sure enough tracelements.com shows I am copper deficient as of I turned 50, at 47 I was not copper deficient -- that is because estrogen helps women absorb copper -- it increases the amount of metallothionein which is required to absorb copper and zinc). Studies have shown links between breast cancer and low iodine and/or low selenium and/or low Vitamin D. So you have covered that base well.

I like the idea a lot, but unfortunately this isn't something I can recommend to my friends and family. The price and number of pills is just not reasonable for for the average person. After all the complaints about Ortho-core pricing, I was really really hoping to see something that had reasonable dosages and balanced without going overboard on price. It seems like the contents of this multi is choosen based on the optimal form of everything regardless of cost or number of pills.

Any good multi vitamin requires 6 pills / day and if it requires less than 6 pills / day it is apriori a junk pill made to make you think you are getting something when you are really wasting your money.

B6 as Pyridoxal 5'-Phosphate 25 mg [NO Pyridoxal HCL, which can cause nerve damage and does not protect the kidneys from advanced gylcation end products]

Oops - I meant pyridoxine HCL - the form in the imminst supplement. I don't want to ever take that form. I can take as much p5p as I want w/o consequence, but once you start taking pyridoxine HCL (which is not the active form, btw) you have to make sure you do not get too much B6. It might be because people have a hard time making the active form out of it so this non-active forms floats around where it shouldn't be.

Sorry - i am booooored waiting for something in another window to download. Carry on.

Oops - I meant pyridoxine HCL - the form in the imminst supplement. I don't want to ever take that form. I can take as much p5p as I want w/o consequence, but once you start taking pyridoxine HCL (which is not the active form, btw) you have to make sure you do not get too much B6. It might be because people have a hard time making the active form out of it so this non-active forms floats around where it shouldn't be.

nothing is without consequence.

the TUL for b6 is 100mg and damage only happens in the 100-500 range... michael wrote a great response to a thread i made a while back about p5p... you should search it out and read it.

http://www.efsa.euro...f?ssbinary=true

As only dephosphorylated vitamers can be transported into the cells (Coburn et al., 2003) the bioavailability of intact pyridoxal 5’-phosphate upon oral intake would be low. Bioavailability of vitamin B6 from pyridoxal 5’-phosphate requires hydrolysis of the phosphate group before absorption through the intestinal layer may occur.

aka: not worth the money at low doses

I am happy with the formulation. There is no way to please everyone, because everyone has a different opinion and biochemistry. I ordered a 6 month supply.

Yeah, I don't really see how anyone can have major complaints unless they are choline sensitive.

The brilliance of the multi is its conservative formulation. It's truly a supplement to a healthy diet and regimine rather than a replacement.

Edited by dosquito, 14 November 2010 - 07:19 PM.

I think it's a very good idea! I may be interested by this next year, when I will renew my membership to Imminst.
I've got two questions nevertheless. Sorry if they have already been replied, but I didn't get that :

-There is no omega 3 fat inside ?
and one question not scientific:
-What is the implication of ImmInst.org in this product? I understand that the composition of this production was "influenced" by suggestions of ImmInst forum members, but is there a profit sharing for ImmInst.org ?

I like the idea a lot, but unfortunately this isn't something I can recommend to my friends and family. The price and number of pills is just not reasonable for for the average person. After all the complaints about Ortho-core pricing, I was really really hoping to see something that had reasonable dosages and balanced without going overboard on price. It seems like the contents of this multi is choosen based on the optimal form of everything regardless of cost or number of pills.

Any good multi vitamin requires 6 pills / day and if it requires less than 6 pills / day it is apriori a junk pill made to make you think you are getting something when you are really wasting your money.

I couldn't disagree more. AOR's Multibasics 3 is a good counter-example.