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Testosterone Replacement Therapy with Androgel

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#1 DarkRiver

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 11:02 PM


I started a thread last year about endogenously raising testosterone levels which generated a lot of discussion and opinions. The take-away from it, for me, was that there's really nothing that can be done to boost testosterone levels in any substantial way other than supplying the hormone from an external source.

 

For the past few years (I'm in my late thirties) my T levels have been in the very low end of the "normal" scale. This is a consequence of having persistently low levels of FSH and LH (below the normal levels, according to the lab).

 

The urologist prescribed me androgel and lied when I asked him if it was going to suppress my body's natural T production. He told me "No, don't worry about it". 

 

Before taking an artificial source of T I want to make sure that there's nothing left to be done to get my FSH, LH and T levels back to optimal levels endogenously. 

 

I have previously been on TRT via injection which I administered with HCG. I was told by my doctor at the time that taking HCG with the TRT would ensure that my body would continue making hormones naturally despite a whole lot of T being supplied via injection. This method did raise my T levels substantially and with it my libido too. However, it was very expensive and I wasn't crazy about giving myself two injections weekly.

 

Anybody have any ideas or suggestions before I start applying the androgel on my skin? If I start applying the gel routinely and my hormones shut down, will they rise to their natural levels if I stop the gel? Thanks for any clarification you can provide.



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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:26 AM

Its no different than injecting testosterone.... You are putting exogenous T into your body. Everything shuts down like an injection. Why would it be different???

The only benefit to the gel is that its applied daily in small doses and won't raise red blood cell count like blasting 100mg into your body all at once.

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#3 Omega 3 Snake Oil

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Posted 25 June 2018 - 12:29 AM

Its no different than injecting testosterone.... You are putting exogenous T into your body. Everything shuts down like an injection. Why would it be different???

The only benefit to the gel is that its applied daily in small doses and won't raise red blood cell count like blasting 100mg into your body all at once.

My doctor told me that Androgel is more likely to be converted to DHT due to a certain enzyme (?) that is involved when test. is taken transdermally as opposed to injected. I was just prescribed 100mg daily Androgel and am worried about it since my DHT is crazy high. Does anyone know of anything to take to help block the conversion of test. to DHT?


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Posted 25 June 2018 - 05:12 AM

Androgel will absolutely shut down your HPTA the same as injectable testosterone. If you’re luteinizing hormone is normal and testosterone is low then odds are testosterone will always stay low. If you’re luteinizing hormone is off and testosterone is low there is a chance of recovery. I would suggest using 500iu hcg every other day for three weeks. Add 20 mg nolvadex to combat estrogen from hCG. After three weeks. Continue the nolvadex and add Clomid at 50 mg per day for 6 weeks. Clomid is the only drug that could potentially restore a damaged Hpta. After the total nine weeks wait an additional 4 weeks without using anything and get blood work done. Then assess from there.

Hcg, nolvadex and Clomid Are all pretty cheap and pretty easy to get from most well-known online pharmacies or research sites


Dr. Crisler is the king of the hormone replacement world.

“To end the debate on this topic, transdermal T gels/creams are more likely to elevate estrogen than injections, as long as the shots are properly administered once per week. That is because aromatase lives in the skin, along with higher concentrations of 5-AR, which converts T to E. Even so, the benefits of TD TRT outweigh the weekly convenience of shots.”

This article has a ton of valuable information

http://www.allthings...rd_docs/TRT.doc

Something he pointed out that no other endocrinologist has ever thought of or even to this day is aware of is how important the use of Hcg is during hormone replacement therapy. Luteinizing hormone is usually only thought to affect the testicles but it actually affects many other areas of the body including brain function.

http://drjohncrisler...-part-deux.html

https://defymedical....er-hcg-protocol

More good info from him

http://www.totrevolu...r-john-crisler/

Also you might want to rule out any pituitary damage as it’s pretty rare to have negative luteinizing hormone levels unless you used steroids or anything else that could disrupt HPTA.

Edited by John250, 25 June 2018 - 05:17 AM.

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