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[william]

Checkout the video, at http://64.233.161.10...us&ct=clnk&cd=1, with Heather Mills McCartney on killing animals and the health benefits of a vegetarian diet. She even brought Einstein and longevity in on the matter. Pretty crafty.

Edited by william, 13 July 2006 - 10:40 AM.

[bender]

By natural I mean natural-raised, amish type of food, like chicken, beef etc.

[william]

By natural I mean natural-raised, amish type of food, like chicken, beef etc.

Naturally raised meat like you mention is no doubt healthier than corporate produced meat, but vegetarianism is healthier than both. Meat consumption is unhealthy, environmentally unsound, inconsistent with increased life spans, and is contrary to God's intent, in the beginning, to start man out on a vegetarian diet (Genesis 1:29-31) and His plan to make vegetarianism the diet in His soon coming kingdom on earth (Isaiah 11:6-9; Hosea 2:18). If you can't get into vegetarianism from a Christian point of view, you should checkout some of those secular organizations that advocate vegetarianism for health and environmental reasons.

Checkout that link I provided to the Heather Mills McCartney Vegtv video. I just straightened the link out so it's readily available.

[bender]

How is vegetarianism healthier then naturally-raised domesticated meat? Vitamin B12 deficiency can lead to some serious health problems and being constantly dependant on supplements of this sort doesnt seem healthy to me. A diet composed of fruits, vegetables, grains and meats along with correct supplementation is by far the most complete diet. Eating butter-grilled cheese steak is one thing, eating amish chicken cooked in vegetable oil is another.

[william]

How is vegetarianism healthier then naturally-raised domesticated meat? Vitamin B12 deficiency can lead to some serious health problems and being constantly dependant on supplements of this sort doesnt seem healthy to me. A diet composed of fruits, vegetables, grains and meats along with correct supplementation is by far the most complete diet.

I get two different types of soy milk: Silk and Organic Edensoy Extra. Both have the B-12 vitamin in it. Edensoy has all the B vitamins. I also get Ezekiel 4:9 ceral, a "sprouted whole grain ceral", that has "all 9 essential amino acids." I feel great and don't have any deficiencies. You might be seriously addicted to the fat in meat. I read an article in Newsweek some time ago about how the fats from meat and the high levels of refined sugars in junk food produce the same addiction response in the brain as other addictive substances do.

Eating butter-grilled cheese steak is one thing, eating amish chicken cooked in vegetable oil is another.

You're right about it being healthier to eat the chicken, but vegetarianism is healthier than the chicken. And what if you get the bird flu in the process of plucking the chicken? Or worse yet, the brand new (you're the first to get it) dreaded "yukabunga" disease that, causes pain worse than any torture technique known to man, for days or months on end before it finally kills you. Trust me you don't want it. Why don't you try some farm raised fish? If raised in those small in land ponds it's pretty healthy.

Edited by william, 15 July 2006 - 04:05 PM.

[bender]

Well, I'm eating a balanced diet along with meat and feel great as well. How exactly is vegetarianism healthier then chicken? There is just too much evidence around that that a long term, strict vegan diet is a sure recipe for developing certain nutritional deficiencies and significant health problems. To simply put it: eating lots of plant-based foods is good for your health. Eating ONLY plant-based foods for the long term is not good for your health.

[william]

(bender)

Well, I'm eating a balanced diet along with meat and feel great as well. How exactly is vegetarianism healthier then chicken? There is just too much evidence around that that a long term, strict vegan diet is a sure recipe for developing certain nutritional deficiencies and significant health problems. To simply put it: eating lots of plant-based foods is good for your health. Eating ONLY plant-based foods for the long term is not good for your health.

You are proving to be a tough customer to convince bender. You ever hear of a guy they call Live Forever that haunts these forums? It will probably take you time, study and serious thought to make a change over to vegetarianism. It did for me so I can't see why this would be any different for you. Checkout this link ( http://www.earthsave...=y&auid=1774565 ) to an organization trying to save the world through vegetarianism. Maybe they can convince you.

Edited by william, 19 July 2006 - 01:51 AM.

[william7]

Score another one for vegetarians.

http://news.bbc.co.u...lth/6180753.stm

High IQ link to being vegetarian
Intelligent children are more likely to become vegetarians later in life, a study says.

A Southampton University team found those who were vegetarian by 30 had recorded five IQ points more on average at the age of 10.

Researchers said it could explain why people with higher IQ were healthier as a vegetarian diet was linked to lower heart disease and obesity rates.

The study of 8,179 was reported in the British Medical Journal.

Twenty years after the IQ tests were carried out in 1970, 366 of the participants said they were vegetarian - although more than 100 reported eating either fish or chicken.

Men who were vegetarian has an IQ score of 106, compared to non-vegetarians with 101, while female vegetarians averaged 104, compared to 99 for non-vegetarians.

There was no difference in IQ score between strict vegetarians and those who said they were vegetarian but who reported eating fish or chicken.

Researchers said the findings were partly related to better education and higher occupational social class, but it remained statistically significant after adjusting for these factors.

Vegetarians were more likely to be female, to be of higher occupational social class and to have higher academic or vocational qualifications than non-vegetarians.

However, these differences were not reflected in their annual income, which was similar to that of non-vegetarians.

Lead researcher Catharine Gale said: "The finding that children with greater intelligence are more likely to report being vegetarian as adults, together with the evidence on the potential benefits of a vegetarian diet on heart health, may help to explain why higher IQ in childhood or adolescence is linked with a reduced risk of coronary heart disease in adult life."

Intelligence

However, she added the link may be merely an example of many other lifestyle preferences that might be expected to vary with intelligence, such as choice of newspaper, but which may or may not have implications for health.

Liz O'Neill, of the Vegetarian Society, said: "We've always known that vegetarianism is an intelligent, compassionate choice benefiting animals, people and the environment.

"Now we've got the scientific evidence to prove it. Maybe that explains why many meat-reducers are keen to call themselves vegetarians when even they must know that vegetarians don't eat chicken, turkey or fish."

But Dr Frankie Phillips, of the British Dietetic Association, said: "It is like the chicken and the egg. Do people become vegetarian because they have a very high IQ or is it just that they tend to be more aware of health issues?"