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Protecting from Coronavirus - Supplements & Therapies

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#2611 bladedmind

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Posted 14 March 2021 - 04:00 PM

Great chart Blademind. I did not research on it and just wonder if the FLCCC team has any take on this protocol beside IVM. Thank you for sharing the image!

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

 

 

Apologies, I don’t understand your question.  FLCCC has a prophylaxis and early outpatient treatment protocol, and a hospital treatment protocol, at the provided link.   It is more spare than the Aguirre-Chang protocol.  Aguirre-Chang somewhat overlaps the miscellaneous comments of  @ice_9 , and overlaps the more comprehensive advice of Steve Kirsch (Covid-19 Early Treatment Fund).  https://www.quora.co...le/Steve-Kirsch

 

Aguirre-Chang’s justifications can be found at his researchgate page:  https://www.research...o-Aguirre-Chang 

 

The Aguirre-Chang protocol might look like it’s throwing everything off the shelf at Covid-19.  But he has a separate early-stage protocol of Ivermectin and aspirin that is much more modest and carefully titrated, that he says somewhere will take care of most patients.  The full protocol is for hospitalization and, as we can see, also escalates with direness of disease. 

 

https://www.research...d7c4b1/download


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Posted 14 March 2021 - 06:01 PM

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@blademind, thank you for your reply!
 



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Posted 17 March 2021 - 07:07 AM

I know a doctor(friend of our family) who takes 2 grams of BHT per day. Is there any research on BHT to support his thesis that it will help against COVID? 


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Posted 17 March 2021 - 08:46 PM

I know a doctor(friend of our family) who takes 2 grams of BHT per day. Is there any research on BHT to support his thesis that it will help against COVID? 

Seems interesting, another supplement we should know more about.  Used for several other viruses as well.  However, Earthclinic.com is only one talking about it unless someone can find another source.

 

Earth clinic poster - " It has been long known that BHT will remove the lipid layer or cover from LIPID COVERED viruses and the coronavirus happens to be just such a virus and by doing so will prevent such a virus from attaching itself and do its dirty work."

 

There is much more info about BHT removing lipid layer of viruses

https://aac.asm.org/...5/1/67.full.pdf

https://pubmed.ncbi....ih.gov/3649561/

https://science.scie...ent/188/4183/64


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Posted 17 March 2021 - 09:24 PM

Epilogue to the sham-show Cali Colombia Ivermectin Trial from trial site news:

 

 

Smells very much like a redoux of the Surgisphere / HCQ fiasco.   Placebos have side effects?  Who knew?

 

JAMA, New York Times, CNN & FDA should be called out over their disgraceful gaslighting. 

 

We’re not crazy; it’s the world that’s gone mad!

 

Unbelievable! I can't believe how many people probably needlessly died due to the suppression of out-patient treatment options.


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#2616 Hebbeh

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Posted 18 March 2021 - 10:27 PM

Leprosy drug holds promise as at-home treatment for COVID-19 -- ScienceDaily

 

Nature study authored by scientists at Sanford Burnham Prebys Medical Discovery Institute and the University of Hong Kong shows that the leprosy drug clofazimine, which is FDA approved and on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines, exhibits potent antiviral activities against SARS-CoV-2 and prevents the exaggerated inflammatory response associated with severe COVID-19. Based on these findings, a Phase 2 study evaluating clofazimine as an at-home treatment for COVID-19 could begin immediately.

 

"Clofazimine is an ideal candidate for a COVID-19 treatment. It is safe, affordable, easy to make, taken as a pill and can be made globally available," says co-senior author Sumit Chanda, Ph.D., professor and director of the Immunity and Pathogenesis Program at Sanford Burnham Prebys. "We hope to test clofazimine in a Phase 2 clinical trial as soon as possible for people who test positive for COVID-19 but are not hospitalized. Since there is currently no outpatient treatment available for these individuals, clofazimine may help reduce the impact of the disease, which is particularly important now as we see new variants of the virus emerge and against which the current vaccines appear less efficacious."

 

Promising candidate revealed by screening drug library

Clofazimine was initially identified by screening one of the world's largest collections of known drugs for their ability to block the replication of SARS-CoV-2. Chanda's team previously reported in Nature that clofazimine was one of 21 drugs effective in vitro, or in a lab dish, at concentrations that could most likely be safely achieved in patients.

 

In this study, the researchers tested clofazimine in hamsters -- an animal model for COVID-19 -- that were infected with SARS-CoV-2. The scientists found that clofazimine lowered the amount of virus in the lungs, including when given to healthy animals prior to infection (prophylactically). The drug also reduced lung damage and prevented "cytokine storm," an overwhelming inflammatory response to SARS-CoV-2 that can be deadly.

 

"The animals that received clofazimine had less lung damage and lower viral load, especially when receiving the drug before infection," says co-senior author Ren Sun, Ph.D., professor at the University of Hong Kong and distinguished professor emeritus at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA). "Besides inhibiting the virus, there are indications that the drug also regulates the host response to the virus, which provides better control of the infection and inflammation."

 

Clofazimine also worked synergistically with remdesivir, the current standard-of-care treatment for people who are hospitalized due to COVID-19, when given to hamsters infected with SARS-CoV-2. These findings suggest a potential opportunity to stretch the availability of remdesivir, which is costly and in limited supply.

 

How clofazimine works

The study showed that clofazimine stops SARS-CoV-2 infection in two ways: blocking its entry into cells and disrupting RNA replication (SARS-CoV-2 uses RNA to replicate). Clofazimine was able to reduce the replication of MERS-CoV, the coronavirus that causes Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS), in human lung tissue.

 

"Potentially most importantly, clofazimine appears to have pan-coronavirus activity, indicating it could be an important weapon against future pandemics," says co-senior author Kwok-Yung Yuen, M.D., chair of Infectious Diseases at the University of Hong Kong, who discovered the coronavirus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). "Our study suggests that we should consider creating a stockpile of ready-made clofazimine that could be deployed immediately if another novel coronavirus emerges."

 

Testing clofazimine in the clinic

A Phase 2 trial evaluating clofazimine in combination with interferon beta-1b as a treatment for people with COVID-19 who are hospitalized is ongoing at the University of Hong Kong. Interferon beta-1b is an immunoregulator that is given as an injection and is currently used to treat people with multiple sclerosis.

 

"Our data suggests that clofazimine should also be tested as a monotherapy for people with COVID-19, which would lower many barriers to treatment," says Chanda. "People with COVID-19 would be able to simply receive a regime of low-cost pills, instead of traveling to a hospital to receive an injection."

 

Old drug finds new purpose

Clofazimine was discovered in 1954 and is used to treat leprosy. Its promise for treating COVID-19 was discovered by high-throughput screening of more than 12,000 drugs from the ReFRAME drug library -- one of the most comprehensive collections of compounds that have been approved by the FDA for other diseases or that have been tested extensively for human safety. ReFRAME was created by Calibr, the drug discovery division of Scripps Research, with support from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, with a goal of repurposing existing drugs to meet unmet clinical needs.

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#2617 bladedmind

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Posted 19 March 2021 - 12:42 AM

For fans of photobiomodulation.  Yes, this is a self-serving press release, but still of interest.

 

https://www.sanfordh...769b443e2a.html

 

 

EmitBio Inc., today announced new evidence that demonstrates its proprietary light technology can inactivate variants of the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, including the highly infectious United Kingdom and South Africa variants. These findings indicate important effectiveness against potentially more transmissible mutations of COVID-19….


EmitBio™ has developed a novel, hand-held treatment device* that directs energy into the upper respiratory tract with 100% of the dose available in the area of need, thereby avoiding the possible side effects of systemic treatments. This device has been designed as an at-home treatment for mild-to-moderate COVID-19 in adults testing positive for SARS-CoV-2. The company recently reported results from a randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trial with the investigational treatment device, which showed a 99.9% reduction in viral load in adults with COVID-19. These clinical study results confirmed the expectations derived from in-vitro experiments that showed the antiviral effects of safe visible light on SARS-CoV-2. The clinical trial results along with the results from a Phase I safety study in healthy volunteers have been submitted as part of a comprehensive package to the FDA requesting Emergency Use Authorization (EUA).

 

 

Animated video here.   https://www.emitbio.com/  Wonder what their frequency is?  Can someone find their patent?


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#2618 zorba990

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Posted 19 March 2021 - 01:25 AM

For fans of photobiomodulation. Yes, this is a self-serving press release, but still of interest.

https://www.sanfordh...769b443e2a.html


Animated video here. https://www.emitbio.com/ Wonder what their frequency is? Can someone find their patent?


Well, found this:

"Light as a potential treatment for pandemic coronavirus infections: A perspective
https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/32388486/
The evidence shows that violet/blue (400-470 nm) light is antimicrobial against numerous bacteria, and that it accounts for Niels Ryberg Finsen's Nobel-winning treatment of tuberculosis. Further evidence shows that blue light inactivates several viruses, including the common flu coronavirus, and that in experimental animals, red and near infrared light reduce respiratory disorders, similar to those complications associated with coronavirus infection. Moreover, in patients, red light has been shown to alleviate chronic obstructive lung disease and bronchial asthma. These findings call for urgent efforts to further explore the clinical value of light, and not wait for another pandemic to serve as a reminder. The ubiquity of inexpensive light emitting lasers and light emitting diodes (LEDs), makes it relatively easy to develop safe low-cost light-based devices with the potential to reduce infections, sanitize equipment, hospital facilities, emergency care vehicles, homes, and the general environment as pilot studies have shown."

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"Adjunct low level laser therapy (LLLT) in a morbidly obese patient with severe COVID-19 pneumonia: A case report
https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/33043132/
Introduction: COVID-19 poses a higher risk of complications in obese patients due to low respiratory system compliance, increased inflammatory cytokines, and an activated immune system secondary to excess adiposity. Low level laser therapy (LLLT) has significant anti-inflammatory effects and reduces inflammatory cytokines. It is noninvasive and approved for pain management and musculoskeletal injuries. Data from human and experimental animal models of respiratory tract disease suggests that LLLT reduces inflammation and promotes lung healing.

Case and outcomes: A morbidly obese 32-year-old Asian female with severe COVID-19 received four consecutive once-daily LLLT sessions via a laser scanner. Pulsed 808 nm and 905 nm laser beams were delivered over the posterior chest for 28 min. The patient was evaluated before and after LLLT by radiological assessment of lung edema (RALE) on chest X-ray, oxygen requirements and saturation, pneumonia severity indices (SMART-COP and Brescia-COVID), blood inflammatory markers (interleukin-6, ferritin, and C-Reactive protein (CRP)). Prior to treatment, oxygen saturation (SpO2) via pulse oximetry was 88%-93% on 5-6 L oxygen. Following LLLT, SpO2 increased to 97%-99% on 1-3 L oxygen. Reductions in RALE score from 8 to 3, Brescia-COVID from 4 to 0, and SMART-COP from 5 to 0 were observed. Interleukin-6 decreased from 45.89 to 11.7 pg/mL, ferritin from 359 to 175 ng/mL, and CRP from 3.04 to 1.43 mg/dL. Post-treatment, the patient noted appreciable improvement in respiratory symptoms.

Conclusion: Following LLLT our patient showed improvement over a few days in respiratory indices, radiological findings, inflammatory markers, and patient outcomes. This report suggests that adjunct LLLT can be safely combined with conventional treatment in patients with severe COVID-19 and morbid obesity.

Keywords: COVID-19; LLLT; anti-inflammatory; low level laser therapy; morbid obesity; photobiomodulation."


I own a 904nm laser and it penetrates quite deeply.
https://www.infohors...asertherapy.asp

For Near IR laser Avant LZ30Z I saw recommended in the fisetin discussion forums (https://forum.age-re...setin-quercitin) but I
don't have one yet (6K is a bit steep to drop without more references at least).
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Posted 19 March 2021 - 02:15 PM

https://www.nutraing...gn=19-Mar-2021#



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Posted 20 March 2021 - 01:57 PM

A review of the very positive results from Ivermectin usage around the world: https://covid19criti...and-ivermectin/


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#2621 Hip

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Posted 20 March 2021 - 03:04 PM

Preliminary report that in men, the hormone progesterone injected twice daily can reduce COVID severity, via its anti-inflammatory effect.

 

 

Progesterone you can buy as a supplement, as a transdermal cream. Though I am not sure what dose you get from the cream, compared to the injections used.



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Posted 20 March 2021 - 03:20 PM

I haven't seen nitazoxanide mentioned here, interesting drug...

 
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Posted 26 March 2021 - 10:34 AM

 

Romanian doctor says she cures ‘100 percent’ of COVID patients
Flavia Groșan chose not to apply official protocols to treat COVID-19 patients at all stages of the illness, instead approaching the disease as an ‘atypical pneumonia.’
 

Jeanne Smits, Paris Correspondent

 

March 24, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) — A pneumologist has been cleared of suspicion of “malpractice” by the Bihor Medical College in Romania after having been summoned on Monday to present her personal method for treating COVID-19 patients, which she claims has already allowed her to cure up to 1,000 patients.

 

Flavia Groșan, from Oradea near the Hungarian border, has been vocal in the Romanian media regarding her choice not to apply official protocols to treat COVID-19 patients at all stages of the illness, instead approaching the disease as an “atypical pneumonia.” She even went so far as to say that huge mistakes are being made in hospitals with excessive oxygen-therapy and, in the worst cases, intubation, which she claims actually "kills" the sick. Too much oxygen for too lengthy periods at a time, says Groșan, can lead to cerebral edema which in turn can cause death. Intubation is even more dangerous, according to the broncho-pneumologist.

 

Her option, based on her twenty-year long experience, is to administer less oxygen so as not to go beyond a patient’s needs, and she also gives antibiotics and a few other cheap medicines, contrary to recommendations in many countries. This option, she says, has allowed her to heal “100 percent” of some 1,000 patients who went through her hands, with only a tiny handful perhaps going on to hospital later without her knowledge.

 

“My goal from the beginning of the pandemic was that no patient should get on the oxygen mask, nor be intubated. And it didn’t happen,” she told the widely-read daily National. “I use my classic, cheap medication, which also includes Clarithromycin, an antibiotic that is part of the macrolide antibiotic group. It is the only antibiotic with viral tropism (the property to be located in certain organs).”

 

“There are only three antibiotics in the macrolide class, erythromycin, which everyone knows, azithromycin and clarithromycin. I don’t like azithromycin because it’s a weaker copy of clarithromycin. I worked in some very interesting clinical studies on pneumonia and there I learned about the viral tropism of clarithromycin, as well as the anti-inflammatory role of clarithromycin, which no antibiotic has. I have been working with this antibiotic in viral and atypical pneumonias for 10 years. When the pandemic hit I went for an etiological treatment, clarithromycin. Of course, in addition to this antibiotic, there are several adjuvant treatments, because it can’t cope alone. It is a treatment scheme that is my own.”

 

Can't find anything about her adjuvan treatments.


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#2624 calimero

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Posted 27 March 2021 - 01:14 PM

Can't find anything about her adjuvan treatments.

 

Quoting Dr.Grosan:

 

"Clarithromycin alone can't cope. Clarithromycin it's the star, but it needs help. The queen is Ventolin, the king is Flixotide.The scheme is not nailed down, we adapt it to the patient. Where needed, a little hydrocortisone. Covid is a serious cold, more tricky, a virus a little more aggressive, the symptoms are a little more brutal. It must be treated from the first symptom, enter the treatment and not to let it go down. The role of my regimen is anti-inflammatory to limit the spread of Covid. That's how I treated Covid, in this style."

 


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Posted 27 March 2021 - 02:34 PM

Thanks. Where you found this piece. Both seem prescription here. Though with a past COPD diagnosis (asymptomatic since) should be easy for me to get.

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Posted 27 March 2021 - 03:42 PM

In the last 3 weeks in Romania, the subject of Dr.Flavia Grosan has turned into a real hysteria. Daily reports and interviews with Dr. Grosan, etc.

 

I don't think it's not to be neglected that in Romania we are just going through a period in which we have a few deaths after vaccination and Dr. Grosan's treatment costs around 100 lei = $ 25.

 

I am sure that every country has at least one "Dr. Gosan" who saved patients from the clutches of Covid with a simple treatment, more or less expensive (I hope you'll post here the treatments applied in your country).

 

In Romania there is also Dr.Gilda Popescu who treated her Covid patients with budesonide, another cheap drug.

 

Another interesting statement of Dr.Grosan(don't forget to apply the english translation).

 


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Posted 01 April 2021 - 08:00 PM

Of course Ivermectin works. What a world tragedy! Will the health bureaucrats in the U.S. ever pay for their ineptitude? Or is it a case of regulatory capture? It happened with the food industry in the early 1900s, it happened with the sugar industry. It happened with big tobacco. It happened with the opioid epidemic. It seems like it is happening now. It looks like "Big Vaccine/Pharma" own the FDA, the NIH, the CDC, the WHO and are calling the shots.

 


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Posted 02 April 2021 - 01:27 AM

Of course Ivermectin works. What a world tragedy! Will the health bureaucrats in the U.S. ever pay for their ineptitude? Or is it a case of regulatory capture? It happened with the food industry in the early 1900s, it happened with the sugar industry. It happened with big tobacco. It happened with the opioid epidemic. It seems like it is happening now. It looks like "Big Vaccine/Pharma" own the FDA, the NIH, the CDC, the WHO and are calling the shots.

 

Overall, this is a great presentation, especially with regard to Vit.D and Ivermectin. The vaccine part had some problems, though.

Near the end, the presenter made reference to earlier work that had shown that earlier vaccines against other coronaviruses had caused the recipient immune system to “go haywire” upon subsequent encounter with a related virus. This deserves some comment, as it probably raises concerns for those deciding whether to get vaccinated or for those already vaccinated who might wonder if they did the right thing.

 

He implied that this was a problem specifically for mRNA vaccines, but that is not the case.

Here is an example from 2003 with vaccines against the virus now known as SARS-CoV-1 (causes SARS, not COVID-19). Four vaccines were tested in animals: two whole virus vaccines, a recombinant DNA spike (S) protein vaccine, and a VLP (virus-like particle) vaccine that contained the SARS-CoV spike protein (S) and the Nucleocapsid (N), envelope (E) and membrane (M) proteins from mouse hepatitis coronavirus (MHV). The recombinant DNA spike (S) protein vaccine would be similar to the Novavax vaccine—it contains only spike protein produced by recombinant DNA technology, no DNA, no RNA. Likewise the VLP vaccine contained no DNA or RNA. So none of the viruses were much like the Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZenica, or Jannson vaccines. The results showed that “challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.”Th2-type immunopathology” = the immune system “goes haywire” in a particular way. It is important to note that this was happening with “traditional” vaccines.

 

A lot has been learned since then. There are known ways to prevent coronavirus vaccines from sensitizing to subsequent type 2 immunopathology. They include immunization with only a small part of the spike protein and the use of particular adjuvants to skew the immune response away from TH2 toward TH1, which will give a protective response. Fig.1 of the link lists RNA (i.e. foreign RNA) as being able to skew toward TH1. We don’t have access to information about exactly what preclinical tests were done, or exactly what is in the vaccines, but we have reason to expect that they will not cause the immune system to go haywire when the next variant comes along.

 

And, by the way, the definition of “vaccine” has not been recently changed to accommodate the new products, as charged by the speaker. From the above-linked paper published in early 2020: “There are several strategies to develop a vaccine such as live-attenuated or inactivated viruses, viral vector-containing nanoparticles or virus-like particles, subunit components, proteins/peptides, RNA, DNA, or even viable cells.” I can attest from professional experience that this broader definition has been the norm for many years. The people who try to say that the new products are not true vaccines are relying on an outdated definition.


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Posted 02 April 2021 - 03:06 AM

Dr Ryan Cole in his video at 13:05, he says it is against the law for the federal government to approve a vaccine for a disease if a treatment for the disease is available.

 

I am no expert on medical rules, but this seems highly implausible. Each year a new flu vaccine is created and given to millions of people, yet there are treatments for influenza, Tamiflu for example.  


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Posted 02 April 2021 - 04:15 AM

The first flu vaccines were available and used as treatment long before Tamiflu. The yearly tweaks to flu vaccines aren't "new" vaccines. Much as adding LED lights to replace halogens because your vision is waning or changing to snow tires during the winter in a snowy area doesn't make your vehicle a "new" vehicle. It just means that you have tweaked things to make your vehicle more appropriate for current, or anticipated,  conditions.

 

 


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Posted 02 April 2021 - 04:47 AM

Dr Ryan Cole in his video at 13:05, he says it is against the law for the federal government to approve a vaccine for a disease if a treatment for the disease is available.

 

I am no expert on medical rules, but this seems highly implausible. Each year a new flu vaccine is created and given to millions of people, yet there are treatments for influenza, Tamiflu for example.  

 

Here's the detail on EUA, from the FDA: 

 

https://www.fda.gov/...ted-authorities

 

d. No Alternatives

For FDA to issue an EUA, there must be no adequate, approved, and available alternative to the candidate product for diagnosing, preventing, or treating the disease or condition.  A potential alternative product may be considered “unavailable” if there are insufficient supplies of the approved alternative to fully meet the emergency need.  A potential alternative product may be considered "inadequate" if, for example, there are contraindicating data for special circumstances or populations (e.g., children, immunocompromised individuals, or individuals with a drug allergy), if a dosage form of an approved product is inappropriate for use in a special population (e.g., a tablet for individuals who cannot swallow pills), or if the agent is or may be resistant to approved and available alternative products.

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What I gather from this is, the vaccines would have to go through their full 2 year safety study, looking for latent adverse events without an EUA, which can only be granted when there is no available therapeutic to treat the disease while full safety studies are done.  

 

I expect Tamiflu is considered inadequate, as it is ineffective if not given within 48 hours of symptom onset.  Few can get seen by their doctor with "next day" appointment.  If you are symptomatic when you try to get seen, that's day one.  If you're not seen the next day, you'll be over 48 hours when you get seen & fill your prescription.  By this time, Tamiflu therapy is futile.  


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#2632 Hip

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Here's the detail on EUA, from the FDA: 

 

Thanks for finding and posting the relevant legislative passage, DG.

 

So it seems the legislation Dr Cole refers to is not specific to vaccines, but covers all medical treatments. And the legislation only relates to emergency use authorization (EUA) of medical treatments, such as in emergency situations like a pandemic. 

 

There is no general rule that you cannot license a vaccine if an effective treatment is already available.

 

 

But even in the emergency use context, I don't think this legislation would prohibit the emergency authorization of further COVID treatments (like vaccines) just because one COVID treatment is already available, which is what Dr Cole is suggesting. I think this is a misinterpretation of the legislation.

 

Large clinical trials have shown the corticosteroid drug dexamethasone reduces COVID mortality, so this is an already-available treatment proven to work in large trials. But it has not stopped the emergency use authorization of the various coronavirus vaccines.

 

So similarly, if we had a large clinical trial which demonstrated that ivermectin can reduce COVID mortality, it would not stop emergency use authorization of coronavirus vaccines.


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Posted 02 April 2021 - 06:11 PM

Seems Dr Cole also wasn't honest about covid being under control in India due to near universal ivermectin use.

Just out today:
https://www.bbc.com/...-india-56614620

The chief minister of the western Indian state of Maharashtra has warned a full lockdown could be imposed unless Covid-19 cases begin to fall.

Uddhav Thackeray said people were failing to take precautions and warned the state's health system could become "inadequate" within weeks.

Maharashtra recorded at least 47,828 cases on Friday.

The same day, India reported 81,466 new cases, and 469 deaths - the highest daily spike since December.

In a televised address, Mr Thackeray said: "Consider this a warning that I could impose a complete lockdown in the next couple of days if things remain the same."

Some people were getting Covid-19 after being vaccinated because they had stopped wearing masks, he added.

Last Sunday, he asked officials to prepare a plan to impose a lockdown and said people were not following safety rules.


Since the pandemic began, India has reported more than 12.2 million cases and more than 163,000 deaths. It is the third-highest number of Covid-19 infections in the world after the US and Brazil.

So far, India has administered more than 68 million doses. The world's biggest inoculation drive aims to cover 250 million people by July, but experts say the pace needs to further pick up to halt the spread.

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Covid is still raging out of control in virtually all the countries where ivermectin trials were done. This can be easily checked by tracking cases and deaths on any number of available sources on line. Don't believe me... Check for yourself.
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Posted 02 April 2021 - 06:32 PM

Covid is still raging out of control in virtually all the countries where ivermectin trials were done. This can be easily checked by tracking cases and deaths on any number of available sources on line. Don't believe me... Check for yourself.

 

I would like to know the numbers of hospitalizations, this is what really counts. We've had several people in our office(under 60) get it, but they just took vitamins and stayed home.  None saw the hospital.

 

If you look at the East Virginia Medical School treatment(Marik), IVM is important, but they are also doing other things as well.  Hasnt changed since Dec, guessing they are pretty satisfied with their protocol.

 

Its unreal, how hard is it for the media to find out who is winning the most and everyone simply copy them?  

Dr. Darrel DeMello, a family practitioner who has treated more than 3000 COVID-19 patients - claims easy to treat at 9:47.

 

 

if IVM isnt working, they should get behind fluvoxamine.


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#2635 Hebbeh

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Posted 02 April 2021 - 06:48 PM

https://www.ktvb.com...be-d8edbf576c34

St. Luke's chief medical officer fact checks a doctor's anti-vax claims
"I'm afraid this is more from our anti-vax colleagues to stoke fear and misinformation instead of science."

BOISE, Idaho — One of St. Luke's top doctors spoke with The 208 on Tuesday to discuss and fact-check anti-vax statements that one Garden City doctor told state lawmakers last week.

"Average COVID-19 death, 78.6. Average age of death in North America every year, 78.6, that's fascinating," Dr. Ryan Cole told lawmakers a meeting at the Idaho State Capitol Building. The statement elicited an eruption of laughs from legislators.

Cole, who owns and runs Cole Diagnostics, a testing lab in Garden City, made claims that the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines could cause cancer and medication for parasites in horses could be used to fight the virus instead of other proven treatments

Starting with the average age of death in America, it was 78.8 in 2019, according to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention. In 2020, it dropped a full year to 77.8 due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Cole also suggested that other treatment options for COVID-19 should be avoided and questioned the vaccines that hundreds of thousands of Idahoans have already safely received.

He even went onto say that the COVID-19 pandemic in Idaho is statistically over.

In order to fact check the claims he made to state legislators, The 208 spoke with Dr. James Souza, the Chief Medical Officer at St. Luke's Health Systems.

Citing the rising number of new cases per day and the uptick in COVID-19 variants reported in the Gem State, Souza said the Idahoans may be done with the pandemic, but the pandemic isn't done with Idaho. He added that drawing conclusions with what to expect from COVID-19 based on what other viruses have done is just flawed logic.

When speaking with legislators, Cole said, "What are our highest risk factors? obesity, low vitamin d levels, advanced age. 90% of deaths in the state have been over 70 years of age, that's the at-risk population. We have stopped our society for something that is taking people that are already at that death risk age anyway."

Souza said that claim is simply false and cruel.

"But I personally have been the part of the care team, I'm an intensivist for 75-year-olds who died from this who were frankly fit as fiddles and their only 'crime' was that they're 75 and they came across covid," he said.

"When you actually look at the statistics of that group and you ask the question, 'Ok on average how many more healthy years of life does that group have?' It's 10-15 more years depending on race. I just think that statement about stopping our society for something that is taking people who are already at a death-risk age, beyond being wrong, I found it particularly cruel that that comment elicited laughs by some of our legislators, that I guess these people who were just going to die anyway, they just kind of went ahead and did it for us. It's chilling, and sort of like, who are we?" Souza added.

Cole also told lawmakers that ivermectin, a medication used in horses to treat parasites, killed the coronavirus in 99.9% of petri dish studies. Souza said while this statement is true, it would have to be given to humans in a dose 100 times the size used in studies, which would be unsafe for humans.

"When you actually go to the studies, the truth is, it's a mixed bag so we should talk about the entire bag and not just the positive sides of the bag," Souza said. "I understand the desire to reach for solutions that are easy, but I find it interesting that people might be more interested in putting an animal, anti-parasite, chemical medication into their body to prevent something that we already know we can prevent non invasively by wearing a mask and spacing out."

Another one of Cole's anti-vax claims he told Idaho lawmakers was that the vaccine is "an experimental biological gene therapy immune-modulatory injection. mRNA trials in mammals have led to odd cancers, mRNA trials in mammals have led to auto-immune diseases, not right away, 6-9-12 months later.

He also claimed that 50% of health care providers won't get the vaccine because they don't trust it.

Souza mustered an eye-roll before he explained that every part of Cole's claims was false.

"But let's be honest about it, I mean the vaccine trials started about a year ago so we are looking at data that's six and nine and 12 months now and we're not seeing these sorts of effects," he explained.

Souza added that about 72% of St. Luke's employees have voluntarily taken the COVID-19 vaccines.

"I'm afraid this is more from our anti-vax colleagues to stoke fear and misinformation instead of science."

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#2636 Hebbeh

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Posted 02 April 2021 - 07:02 PM

Most covid cases don't go to the hospital no matter what. Most don't die.

We've had almost 31 million known diagnosed covid cases to date and I'm sure no where near 31 million hospitalized.

My boss had a severe case of covid back in November and he is defiantly a long hauler. But he never went to the hospital. Instead like most, he isolated and toughed it out at home. Although he's been to his Dr a number of times since getting various meds.

It's a known fact that they don't want you showing up at the hospital until you're almost turning blue... Otherwise they send you home. Has anybody heard anything different?

BTW, my boss is going in this afternoon for his covid vaccination in spite of already having a serious case of covid. He told me this morning that no way the vaccination could have side effects anywhere close to having covid and he wouldn't wish covid on anybody. He's 49 and I should add was in good health and was a very fit gym goer. He told me just recently tried to start going to the gym again. He said he used to do an hour on the stair stepper. Now he can't handle more than 5-10 minutes and his lungs ache so bad he almost collapsed.

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Posted 02 April 2021 - 08:47 PM

Seems Dr Cole also wasn't honest about covid being under control in India due to near universal ivermectin use.

Just out today:
https://www.bbc.com/...-india-56614620

The chief minister of the western Indian state of Maharashtra has warned a full lockdown could be imposed unless Covid-19 cases begin to fall.

Uddhav Thackeray said people were failing to take precautions and warned the state's health system could become "inadequate" within weeks.

Maharashtra recorded at least 47,828 cases on Friday.

The same day, India reported 81,466 new cases, and 469 deaths - the highest daily spike since December.

In a televised address, Mr Thackeray said: "Consider this a warning that I could impose a complete lockdown in the next couple of days if things remain the same."

Some people were getting Covid-19 after being vaccinated because they had stopped wearing masks, he added.

Last Sunday, he asked officials to prepare a plan to impose a lockdown and said people were not following safety rules.


Since the pandemic began, India has reported more than 12.2 million cases and more than 163,000 deaths. It is the third-highest number of Covid-19 infections in the world after the US and Brazil.

So far, India has administered more than 68 million doses. The world's biggest inoculation drive aims to cover 250 million people by July, but experts say the pace needs to further pick up to halt the spread.

Rest at link

Covid is still raging out of control in virtually all the countries where ivermectin trials were done. This can be easily checked by tracking cases and deaths on any number of available sources on line. Don't believe me... Check for yourself.

 

This is not enough information to say that ivermectin does not work. Every RCT trial, in several countries of the world, have been incredibly positive, as has been documented in this thread.

 

Is India still using Ivermectin? Do they have enough supply to help a substantial fraction of the population? Same goes with the other countries that trialed Ivermectin? Without data on usage, nothing can be said about whether or not it is "working" in that country. In the small trials, it worked very well.


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Posted 02 April 2021 - 09:06 PM


BTW, my boss is going in this afternoon for his covid vaccination in spite of already having a serious case of covid. He told me this morning that no way the vaccination could have side effects anywhere close to having covid and he wouldn't wish covid on anybody. He's 49 and I should add was in good health and was a very fit gym goer. He told me just recently tried to start going to the gym again. He said he used to do an hour on the stair stepper. Now he can't handle more than 5-10 minutes and his lungs ache so bad he almost collapsed.

 

The vaccine may help some long-haulers:

 

 

 

https://www.npr.org/...id-long-haulers

 

https://www.npr.org/...ovid-19-vaccine

 

https://www.webmd.co...ter-vaccination

 

It may be a bit like the shingles vaccine which helps with hidden herpes virus from childhood infections. In these long haulers there may be virus lurking in some of their cells causing them misery. The vaccine may help that. 


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Posted 02 April 2021 - 09:07 PM

This is not enough information to say that ivermectin does not work. Every RCT trial, in several countries of the world, have been incredibly positive, as has been documented in this thread.

Is India still using Ivermectin? Do they have enough supply to help a substantial fraction of the population? Same goes with the other countries that trialed Ivermectin? Without data on usage, nothing can be said about whether or not it is "working" in that country. In the small trials, it worked very well.

The point is that in the video you posted, Dr Cole made disingenious and dishonest claims as demonstrated.

One claim Dr Cole made was that India solved their covid problem with ivermectin. Obviously that's not true. Ivermectin doesn't appear to have made any kind of appreciative dent in the covid rate of India or any other country.

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Posted 02 April 2021 - 09:11 PM

The Mystery Behind India’s Success in Flattening the Curve
Posted on March 1, 2021

https://covexit.com/...ning-the-curve/


Interpretation:

It appears that 29 Mil. patients have received HCQ during the period of Mar-Dec 2020.
Overlapping with these 29 Mil, 10.2 Mil pts were PCR +ve cases (or part of it) indicating that behind every +ve case around 2 more -ve patients have also been treated with HCQ. These could be either close contacts, untested or prophylaxis users.
Patients taking Ivermectin is 56% of the RT-PCR positive cases. However, like the state of UP which replaced HCQ with Ivermectin, we have assumed only a 50% overlap with HCQ increasing the number of patients receiving either drugs.
This would project the number of patients receiving either HCQ or Ivermectin to over 30 Mil (29 Mil + half of 5.75 Mil)
Thus, it is safe to assume that behind every positive case of Covid-19 in India, there were 2 more who received either HCQ or Ivermectin.

If we plot the R0 numbers along with the case devolution together with important milestones time-stamped together, the entire picture is clear from the following single graph, which doesn’t leave anything to imagination.

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