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#1 elc202

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Posted 29 July 2020 - 02:12 AM


Hi,

My main issue is rumination about the past, but also depression, anxiety and ocd. supplements, therapy, meditation, and medications offered no real help. The only thing that offers some help is exercise which I do every day. so I'm looking for something completely different. I found electronic devices for depression like this one and this one claims to be approved by fda also this one on  amazon do you think they could help? any experience with any of them? seems fake.

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 12:13 AM

I recommend using a tens device with ear clips. A tens puts out tiny amounts of electricity, but unlike the devices you referred to, the electricity does not go through the brain. It only goes through the outer ear and stimulates the vagus nerve. I use it myself, right ear lowers blood pressure and pulse rate, left ear gives you a better mood and reverses depression. Best of all its super cheap not like those grossly overpriced devices. A tens costs from $15 to $50 more or less and the ear clips only about $10. They get hundreds or thousands for those patented devices.

 

All I know is it works for me. My bp and pulse rate is down and my mood is up after using it on both ears. I have a dual channel tens and 2 sets of ear clips


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#3 Daniel Cooper

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 04:01 PM

I recommend using a tens device with ear clips. A tens puts out tiny amounts of electricity, but unlike the devices you referred to, the electricity does not go through the brain. It only goes through the outer ear and stimulates the vagus nerve. I use it myself, right ear lowers blood pressure and pulse rate, left ear gives you a better mood and reverses depression. Best of all its super cheap not like those grossly overpriced devices. A tens costs from $15 to $50 more or less and the ear clips only about $10. They get hundreds or thousands for those patented devices.

 

All I know is it works for me. My bp and pulse rate is down and my mood is up after using it on both ears. I have a dual channel tens and 2 sets of ear clips

 

Do you not have issues with dialing down the intensity of your average TENS unit to make that comfortable?



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Posted 05 August 2020 - 07:39 PM

Do you not have issues with dialing down the intensity of your average TENS unit to make that comfortable?

No, it has a dial that goes from 0 to 8. A friend of mine got a cheap one about $15 that the lowest setting was too high. I told her to cut a tiny square from the pad they give you, strip off the white part and put the black material between the contact and her ear. She says its comfortable now and it seems to be working. No more bad dreams and poor sleep, less anxiety and better mood. Only uses it on left ear



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Posted 05 August 2020 - 07:47 PM

If you were handy with a soldering iron a person could put something around an 8k ohm resistor in series with one of the leads and that would give you more controllable range on the unit.

 

I've tried what you're doing with my TENS and at about a "2" it's unpleasant.  Putting some series resistance in the path drops enough voltage that the intensity control isn't so sensitive.

 

 



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Posted 08 August 2020 - 03:40 AM

I recommend using a tens device with ear clips. A tens puts out tiny amounts of electricity, but unlike the devices you referred to, the electricity does not go through the brain. It only goes through the outer ear and stimulates the vagus nerve. I use it myself, right ear lowers blood pressure and pulse rate, left ear gives you a better mood and reverses depression. Best of all its super cheap not like those grossly overpriced devices. A tens costs from $15 to $50 more or less and the ear clips only about $10. They get hundreds or thousands for those patented devices.

 

All I know is it works for me. My bp and pulse rate is down and my mood is up after using it on both ears. I have a dual channel tens and 2 sets of ear clips

 

many thanks for your reply!

i found this device for 70 dollars, also they sell ear clips,  do you think they would work?

also do i have to modify them like on this tutorial?

do you put both clips on the left ear? or one clip on each ear?

how  many times per week do you use them for depression? and each session for how many minutes?

tnanks!



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Posted 08 August 2020 - 09:55 PM

Yes that looks fine. The tutorial is to use one double sided clip instead of 2 clips on each ear. I'm sure that would work though I have not tried it myself. IMO, just use one clip on the tragus (ear flap) and one on the lobulus (ear lobe). I use two clips on each ear. If you put one on one ear and the other clip on the other ear, it would send electricity through your head and brain. If you used too high an intensity there is a risk of triggering a seizure. There are devices that send currents through the brain but they use tiny micro currents. The system I speak of doesn't do that, just through the ear and stimulate the vagus

 

I use it about every 2 days. I have a dual channel tens and I do both ears at once to save time. I do about 20 or 30 minute sessions. Mine is set at 20hz and 100 microsecond bursts. Other settings should work fine also, I've tried other values that worked. Right ear lowers pulse and blood pressure, left ear helps with depression, anxiety and improves mood. The effect is kind of subtle, don't expect something dramatic right away. But if you measure your bp and pulse you will definitely see a change if you did the right ear. On left ear, expect a gradual improvement in mood. I've been using it for a couple years now and I still like it. You can use it everyday or more than once a day. Set the intensity so that it is comfortable or just below what you can feel

 


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#8 elc202

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Posted 12 August 2020 - 04:19 AM

many thanks! :)

 







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