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#1 experimenting

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Posted 06 December 2020 - 07:02 PM


During my LSD trip recently, for a few hours during it I experienced a mental state that changed me into a different, better person.

I felt total social dominance. Zero anxiety, utterly assertive personality. Not a dick, like I feel on dopaminergics, but just a truly in-command person. And, my libido/sexual function was off the charts (I won’t go into detail here, but it was utterly next-level).

What’s the mechanism here? Obviously, LSD is utterly unsustainable. It totally exhausted me, I was really tired for 2 days afterward, and the hallucinations etc mean that I would never try this outside a very controlled setting.

But...what receptor/mechanism was being hit here? Is there anything remotely similar that is safe, and can approximate even a small portion of this effect?

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Posted 06 December 2020 - 07:44 PM

Microdose LSD or 1p-LSD. 10 micro grams on day 1. <<>> day 2 off. <<>> day 3 off. day 4: 10 micro grams. <<>> day 5 off. <<>> day 6 off etc etc etc.



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#3 experimenting

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Posted 07 December 2020 - 02:06 AM

Like I said I'm not going to microdose a hallucinogen. I want to know what the mechanism is and whether it's replicable. 



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Posted 07 December 2020 - 11:41 AM

How many ugs, or tabs?

 

How long from the time of ingestion did it take to the onset of effects, and how long was the overall experience?


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Posted 08 December 2020 - 02:18 AM

How many ugs, or tabs?

How long from the time of ingestion did it take to the onset of effects, and how long was the overall experience?


200ug, 1 tab. Trip lasted about 8 hours, with about 12 hours to total “sobriety”. Effects started within 45 minutes of ingestion. This dominance effect came into play maybe 4 hours in.

Obviously a trip is quite a journey, and I experienced many states along the way. But this clearheaded total dominance was an amazing moment that I’d like to better understand. I’m under no illusions that I can achieve that state without the power of a hallucinogenic, but maybe with some clue as to what’s going on, with the right supplements I could skew myself in that direction.

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Posted 08 December 2020 - 04:43 PM

I just wanted to check, it sounds more like a light aggression inducing effects of NBOMe from that. But I guess I was wrong.

 

No two acid trips are ever completely alike. A lot of people never feel very in control socially, above 125ug.  They even feel sometimes a succession of negatives directed at others. Perhaps simply telling a pair of friends to rudely "leave" because you had the feeling they were interfering and had overstayed their welcome and you were struggling to find the words to politely make them go. Now I don't think telling people to abruptly leave is terribly charming in retrospect, but to each his own.

 

That's a lot of people's experience on acid around others. Not being able to find the words (worse than 3 drinks of alcohol). Very unstable mood, clumsy socially, and generally either apprehensive or outright ridiculous. There are likely to be some moments of clarity and flow, however. And I guess it's not impossible for an overall trip or two to be characterized like this.

 

It could be the mutual effects on serotonin and dopamine. Dopamine might make you aggressive and callous, but it could be buffered out by serotonin's gentle touch. I dabbled with 5-HTP for a bit and whenever I took it before class, I was always more warm and humorous and more in a story telling mood, regardless of any other supplements.



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Posted 09 December 2020 - 05:36 PM

I just wanted to check, it sounds more like a light aggression inducing effects of NBOMe from that. But I guess I was wrong.

No two acid trips are ever completely alike. A lot of people never feel very in control socially, above 125ug. They even feel sometimes a succession of negatives directed at others. Perhaps simply telling a pair of friends to rudely "leave" because you had the feeling they were interfering and had overstayed their welcome and you were struggling to find the words to politely make them go. Now I don't think telling people to abruptly leave is terribly charming in retrospect, but to each his own.

That's a lot of people's experience on acid around others. Not being able to find the words (worse than 3 drinks of alcohol). Very unstable mood, clumsy socially, and generally either apprehensive or outright ridiculous. There are likely to be some moments of clarity and flow, however. And I guess it's not impossible for an overall trip or two to be characterized like this.

It could be the mutual effects on serotonin and dopamine. Dopamine might make you aggressive and callous, but it could be buffered out by serotonin's gentle touch. I dabbled with 5-HTP for a bit and whenever I took it before class, I was always more warm and humorous and more in a story telling mood, regardless of any other supplements.


Yeah, I figured it was a lost cause but thought I’d check.

Mysteries of life, LSD is a thing of wonder, and we still have no clue how it really works.
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Posted 10 December 2020 - 10:03 AM

I have not tried LSD. But I have experience with some psychoactive tryptamine psychedelics (and ketamine), mainly 4-ho-met. 

The one thing I've noticed that people report, and that happened to me back in the day, is these substances at significant doses caused a sort of burst of obsession and creativity (mainly afterwards). The typical stuff. Basically obsessing over the novelty of the experience for days afterwards. I'm sure some people might get all varying sorts of feelings of being enlightened or that they've attained something afterwards.

They also seem to cause anxiety at varying levels during but I guess LSD has a better reputation in this regard.

 

4-ho-met and psilocin (basically the same thing) cause extreme lack of verbal skills for most people once you take enough. DMT likewise. 

 

Dosage also makes a huge difference. When I took small doses of 4-ho-met (which today are considered on the high end according to various sites) I basically got euphoria, lack of verbal skills, and tons of hallucinations with eyes closed and when I did open my eyes e.g. the people on TV had cat or dog heads and stuff like that, but I felt rather normal in most regards albeit not very interested in engaging in normal things of life (usually just layed in bed eyes closed). This was not the case with what I considered high doses (50-100mg of the fumarate salt) but then instead total alteration of reality, transportation to different realities. Basically in comparison, the "low" doses (e.g. "ultrakill high superblaster high" doses, according to the sites today) were almost entirely euphoria (and novel hallucinations that were rather superficial and boring in the long run), relatively speaking. Where the higher doses were a lot more unpleasant and having very little to do with normal reality or my sense of anything. If I just assume that I can translate the 4-ho-met dosage guidelines to LSD I've seen on various sites, etc, then I'd say you took a very low dose of LSD but one that's intended for maximum euphoria, in my world that is. That's just my impression that dosage guidelines are catered towards the euphoria novelty seekers rather than us old-school weirdos that take it to go to the moon and lay on the floor in the fetal position while vomiting.

 

With that said I have found all my intakes of these kinds of substances fascinating, despite the dosage. But it got rather boring after a while with 20-35 mg 4homet fumarate salt, which I did at least 5 times, and all it did was make me feel a bit weird, rather euphoric, tons of visual hallucinations, but nothing about "reality" really changed, it was sort of just like I had downloaded an extremely visual and weird movie into my brain and was partly playing a role in the movie. Meanwhile the really high dosages were just insane and something I barely could handle (dramatic fear of loosing ones sense of self, or just primal fear in anticipation). 

 

Anyway the situation you use it in greatly diminishes some of the weirder effects. Just moving your body erases most of the hallucinations. Some people seem to enjoy taking LSD and whatnot in a social setting in modest doses, which I assume is because it is rather euphoric, and once you move around (or have bright lights or eyes open) most of the utterly bizarre stuff is not so distracting. Everyone's also different of course, and again I haven't tried LSD. Also 4-ho-met is sometimes described as less potent than LSD or psilocybon mushrooms with regards to the weirder effects but more potent visually.

 

Just like my opinion that tryptamine psychedelics are rather boring and pointless (and fascinating), consider that your opinion that LSD is fascinating and so forth, is just like in my case an after-the-fact argument largely conjured by some primal program in your brain to make you do something that might on average be beneficial to your genes considering your evolutionary past. I think the biggest thing with these kinds of drugs is the novelty. Novelty to some extent seems related to intelligence, or knowledge, or knowledge seeking, and e.g. people in academia seem very much novelty driven (they seem to come up with all kinds of weird fads for society). I think certain intelligent people tend to have a kind of drive towards novelty, and they tend to inevitably confuse novelty with usefulness or truth. Some smart people like to "come up with ideas", hence novelty seekers, but most ideas are trash (even the really good ones).

Maybe you should ponder more basic things, like what "social dominance" means or "no anxiety" or "off the charts libido". Or if you even want to go in that direction. Maybe you need to reduce your libido, and increase your anxiety. That's what I mean with novelty seeking being a potential danger and mostly bunk, some people tend to get enticed by the novelty or otherwise enthralled and then the human brain is as always very good with coming up with stories to justify whatever it desires. 

 



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Posted 24 April 2021 - 08:50 PM

I know this is a bit late, but LSD also affects the dopaminergic system - it's a D2 agonist and that agonism is probably related to the energy, libido - I've seen some studies mentioning that it lowers prolactin levels as a result, increasing FSH. The way it binds to the 5ht2a receptor means it hangs out for a very very long time (i think there's a little latch that kinda closes over it and holds on to it longer). I'm on a tricyclic antidepressant - and while serotonergic antidepressants are known for decreasing the intensity/effects of classical psychedelics, they actually increase the effects of LSD. I can take psilocybin or DMT with little to no effect while on my tricyclic, but even a small dose of LSD will have noticeable effects. Kinda interesting (from what I understand, the increased serotonin levels from the TCA increases the effect LSD has on the system, whereas with something like DMT or psilocin, endogenous serotonin competes with the psychedelic molecules over the binding sites.

 

Re: microdosing - I know you mentioned that you were pretty against it personally. Just to reiterate, microdosing is done at sub-perceptual doses - something as low as 10ug has no noticeable effect on perception (visually, existentially, mindfuck-y). The benefits seem to be cumulative over time - the D2 agonism might help with the energy, but the 5ht2a binding increases BDNF release. I've tried it with varying doses of various substances and found at very low levels that LSD helps the most for me personally with energy levels. No hangover or feeling drained. Anywho, my two cents.



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Posted 24 April 2021 - 10:30 PM

Microdose LSD or 1p-LSD. 10 micro grams on day 1. <<>> day 2 off. <<>> day 3 off. day 4: 10 micro grams. <<>> day 5 off. <<>> day 6 off etc etc etc.

 

I would do a little more research on cardiac valvulopathy due to 5HT2B receptor agonists. Chronic microdosing of these could be an issue.


Edited by TMNMK, 24 April 2021 - 10:36 PM.


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Posted 25 April 2021 - 04:07 PM

I kinda had that feeling for a couple weeks with GDF11.  

It wasn't just that my energy was coming back, but I was very 'in control, assertive, and not socially inhibited'.  That effect was unfortunately only temporary.

 

I took LSD once when I was 21, and I didn't get a great feeling out of it.  My mind was just fixated by pointless things.

 

 







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