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[Hip]

Good article mocking Elon Musk for his clanger of a comment that the pandemic would end in April 2020:

 

Elon Musk, who predicted the Covid pandemic would end in April 2020, suggests Fauci should be prosecuted

 

The reason that Musk was against lockdowns ans social distancing has nothing to do with pandemic science, and I suspect more to do with the way lockdowns affected his businesses and his profits.

[Florin]

Good article mocking Elon Musk for his clanger of a comment that the pandemic would end in April 2020:

 

Elon Musk, who predicted the Covid pandemic would end in April 2020, suggests Fauci should be prosecuted

 

The reason that Musk was against lockdowns ans social distancing has nothing to do with pandemic science, and I suspect more to do with the way lockdowns affected his businesses and his profits.

 

Sure, that was a dumb claim by Musk, but OTOH, it wasn't entirely unreasonable for Musk to have been against the first lockdown lasting too long.

 

At any rate, I'm sure that the recommendations of experts like Fauci lead to a lot more death and suffering than whatever Musk said or did.

 

Your claim that Fauci didn't recommend respirators because that would lead to less masking makes no sense. Many high-risk people would almost certainly wear respirators and with high compliance. If comfort was really an issue for some, more comfortable respirators could have easily been developed and distributed. 

[Mind]

One thing I don't think most non-US people are aware of is the grotesque history of the US military and intelligence agencies.

 

They exposed sailors to nuclear radiation. Then lied about it.

They sprayed pneumonia bacteria over San Francisco to see how the disease would spread. Then lied about it.

The US government conducted a secret experiment to spread syphilis among black men. Then lied about it.

The US government conducted secret mind control experiments using drugs and other methods with unsuspecting innocent civilians (MKUltra). Then they lied about it.

....and many many more disgusting secret experiments.

 

The last one listed - MK Ultra was particularly awful. The thousands of innocent US civilians whose lives and minds were destroyed, complained to everyone who would listen that they were being experimented upon by the government. The US government (with the national media on board - like now) claimed these people were crazy, mentally ill, and weird conspiracy theorists. Sound familiar? Many of these people had productive happy lives and ended up dying in mental hospitals as the US government tried to cover their tracks. It should make you sick to read about this.

 

Now we have Dr. Fauci, brazingly and obviously lying to the public about gain of function research. People who were working with him and other researchers were using private email when talking about GOF research, because they didn't want anyone to see what they were talking about.

 

People should WANT answers and want them now! A drug that never passed a legitimate human or animal trial was just given to billions of people. The reason? Very likely because of an engineered virus created in Wuhan and funded by Dr. Fauci, Francis Collins, Google-supported EcoHealth, etc...

Edited by Mind, 12 April 2024 - 05:48 PM.

[Daniel Cooper]

Good article mocking Elon Musk for his clanger of a comment that the pandemic would end in April 2020:

 

Elon Musk, who predicted the Covid pandemic would end in April 2020, suggests Fauci should be prosecuted

 

The reason that Musk was against lockdowns ans social distancing has nothing to do with pandemic science, and I suspect more to do with the way lockdowns affected his businesses and his profits.

 

So Musk was wrong about the pandemic ending in 2020. So what? He's a private citizen. Fauci and Brix - the people running our Covid pandemic response - gave us "Fifteen days to stop the spread" and predicted the vaccines would end the pandemic once they were available. They were wrong too. 

 

But the argument for prosecuting Fauci has nothing to do with him being wrong. People are wrong all the time. Particularly in my experience people that work in the government. But being wrong isn't a criminal offense.

 

What Fauci did went far beyond merely being wrong. Fauci and the NIAID were funding gain of function research through EcoHealth Alliance at the Wuhan Institute of Virology during the time when the US had a prohibition in place against US federal money being used for that sort of research. 

 

Fauci then sought to squash any suggestion that sar-cov2 had come from WIV, even though his advisors were telling him the virus looked engineered. Most likely because he was well aware that he probably had a hand in funding that research.

 

Then Fauci repeatedly lied to Congress about NIAID money being used to fund gain of function research. Going to the extreme of making up his own personal definition of gain of function that basically boiled down to "Whatever we funded, that's not gain of function".

 

Dr. Fauci has repeatedly lied during this entire pandemic. He's lied to the public, and he's lied to Congress. And he funded research that he was specifically prohibited from funding. 

 

He's done more than enough to earn a little prosecutorial inquiry.

[Hip]

What Fauci did went far beyond merely being wrong. Fauci and the NIAID were funding gain of function research through EcoHealth Alliance at the Wuhan Institute of Virology during the time when the US had a prohibition in place against US federal money being used for that sort of research. 

 

In which case, why aren't Musk' pronouns "prosecute EcoHealth Alliance and its leader Dr Peter Daszak for conceiving and running the project, prosecute the Wuhan Institute for hosting the project, and the NIH and Fauci for funding the project"?

Edited by Hip, 12 April 2024 - 07:16 PM.

[Daniel Cooper]

In which case, why aren't Musk' pronouns "prosecute EcoHealth Alliance and its leader Dr Peter Daszak for conceiving and running the project, prosecute the Wuhan Institute for hosting the project, and the NIH and Fauci for funding the project"?

 

I'm sure that Musk would be onboard with "Prosecute Daszak", but outside of a fairly small circle few in the general public know who Peter Daszak is and his roll in Covid-19.

 

And, I'm not entirely sure he's broken federal law. Maybe? Not sure. It was definitely illegal to spend federal funds on Gain of Function research for several years while this was going on, so Fauci signing off it it was an illegal act. Was it an illegal act to receive funds for a grant that you applied for and spend them per the details of the grant? I don't know the legalities of this. Maybe, maybe not.

[Mind]

The FBI found it "ALARMING!" that Dr. Fauci and the NIH were funding "Gain Of Function" research.

 

Later, DR. Fauci lied and said he was not funding gain of function research. To this day, the US national media continues to ignore the story, to all of our detriment.

[Daniel Cooper]

The FBI found it "ALARMING!" that Dr. Fauci and the NIH were funding "Gain Of Function" research.

 

Later, DR. Fauci lied and said he was not funding gain of function research. To this day, the US national media continues to ignore the story, to all of our detriment.

 

Yes, that is rather alarming. And illegal at one point.

 

And Fauci still says he didn't fund gain of function research by the expedient of having his own personal definition of "gain of function" that no one else in the world uses and is basically defined as "Something that was never funded by Tony Fauci". 

[Dorian Grey]

Fauci's pal Peter Daszak / EcoHealth is getting grilled on capitol hill today.  

 

https://www.dailymai...html#newcomment

 

Republicans demand criminal investigation into key figure in the COVID origins scandal for his links to gain of function research in Wuhan: 'This is the closest we will get to questioning a Chinese spy'

 

On Wednesday, ahead of a Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic hearing with Daszak, the body released a report calling for a criminal investigation into the scientist and EcoHealth for violating his government grant agreements and legal reporting requirements. 

'Peter Daszak is the closest this committee will ever get to questioning a Chinese spy,' Rep. Ronny Jackson, R-Texas, who sits on the committee, exclusively told DailyMail.com in a statement.

 'His direct role in providing funding for the Wuhan Lab and his lies and personal involvement in the COVID cover up that followed were directly responsible for the public health and economic disaster that followed.'

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Hope we get some red meat on Fauci!  

[Mind]

The paper trail showing the US funding GOF research is detailed and decades long. Some of the researchers - INCLUDING DR. FAUCI - spoke openly about it in interviews and at conferences. Yet - now we are to believe them that they NEVER funded GOF research. If you are dumb as the US National media, I guess you can be deceived.

[Daniel Cooper]

The paper trail showing the US funding GOF research is detailed and decades long. Some of the researchers - INCLUDING DR. FAUCI - spoke openly about it in interviews and at conferences. Yet - now we are to believe them that they NEVER funded GOF research. If you are dumb as the US National media, I guess you can be deceived.

 

She's right about it not being an open question - the US (and specifically NIAID and Dr. Fauci) has funded gain of function research - before, during, and after the temporary ban that was instituted back in 2014. NIAID did use EcoHealth Alliance essentially to launder federal money that was eventually passed on to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. This really isn't a debatable issue. We have the receipts. It's just our mainsteam media here in the US won't really challenge Fauci on his ludicrous  assertions that his organization didn't fund GOF.
 
This shouldn't surprise anyone. Anthony Fauci was on record in a published paper stating that even if gain of function research results in a global pandemic it was worth the deaths.

 

Money quote:

 

In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic? Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario – however remote – should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision?

Scientists working in this field might say – as indeed I have said – that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks. It is more likely that a pandemic would occur in nature, and the need to stay ahead of such a threat is a primary reason for performing an experiment that might appear to be risky.

Within the research community, many have expressed concern that important research progress could come to a halt just because of the fear that someone, somewhere, might attempt to replicate these experiments sloppily. This is a valid concern.

 

 

Out of curiosity I'm wondering if there is anyone here that would like to make the argument that sars-cov2 did not more likely than not originate at the Wuhan Institute of Virology?