• Log in with Facebook Log in with Twitter Log In with Google      Sign In    
  • Create Account
  LongeCity
              Advocacy & Research for Unlimited Lifespans

Photo
- - - - -

Article: "Why Antioxidants Don’t Slow Down Aging"

antioxidants

  • Please log in to reply
10 replies to this topic

#1 osris

  • Guest
  • 531 posts
  • 81

Posted 18 December 2022 - 06:21 PM


Any truth in this, and how should we approach supplementing if true?
 
Why Antioxidants Don’t Slow Down Aging
 
Most antioxidants don’t extend lifespan
 
In the past two decades, many large studies found that antioxidants do not slow down aging and don’t reduce mortality (R,R,R).
 
One large meta-analysis consisting of 230,000 people even found that some antioxidants are associated with an increased risk of dying ®: vitamin A, vitamin E and beta-carotene intake was associated with slightly increased mortality.
 
Of course, many arguments can be brought up to counter these findings: in many studies the wrong form of antioxidants are given, or too low doses, or too late.
 
Still, both animal and human studies have painted a disappointing picture about the role of antioxidants in longevity. Animals have been given all kinds of antioxidant cocktails, but they didn’t live longer. At least according to well-conducted studies; there are many low-quality studies that sometimes do show that antioxidants slow down aging. But often, when these studies are reproduced by other research groups no longevity effects are seen.
 
The dangers of antioxidants
 
Many studies have shown that antioxidants can even be dangerous, for example by increasing the risk of cancer or helping cancer to spread (metastasize) (R,R,R,R,R).
 
This makes sense: cancer cells are metabolically very active, so they produce huge amounts of free radicals as a side effect of their metabolism. This means that especially cancer cells benefit from antioxidants that neutralize free radicals.
 
So it is not always advisable for cancer patients to take antioxidants.
 
Other studies show that antioxidants can undo the beneficial effects of exercise ®. Taking antioxidants to “recuperate” faster from exercise is also not always a good idea.
 
Why antioxidants don’t really work to extend lifespan
 
Research shows that most antioxidants do not extend lifespan.
 
And if some antioxidants do extend lifespan, it’s often not because of their antioxidant activity, but because of other mechanisms, such as their anti-inflammatory, epigenetic or mitochondrial activity.
 
But why is it that most antioxidants don’t work?
 
One problem is that antioxidants, when taken orally, cannot enter the regions in the cells where they are most needed, and this in high enough concentrations.
 
But even then, studies in which animals are genetically modified to produce much more antioxidant enzymes (like catalase), do not live longer.
 
Such antioxidant enzymes work much better than antioxidants (small-molecules) taken by mouth, but still they do not seem to have significant effects on lifespan.
 
Even more confusingly, mounting evidence shows that the substances antioxidants are supposed to neutralize, free radicals, can even have life extension effects.
 
For example, genetically modified worms that produce more free radicals live 32% longer. Giving worms a weed-controlling herbicide that creates a surge in free radical production extends lifespan in these worms by 58% ®. 
 
How is this possible? Free radicals can function as a benign warning sign, revving up the cell’s defense mechanisms, like detoxification enzymes and repair proteins, protecting our cells against age-related damage.
 
That’s one reason why exercise is healthy: during exercise you produce a lot of free radicals because your cells have to work much harder. These exercise-induced free radicals activate all kinds of repair and defense mechanisms in our cells, so that the cells can better protect themselves against the next time you exercise. In the meantime, these revved-up defense and repair mechanisms also protect you against aging and aging-related diseases.
 
Besides exercise, we know that foods like vegetables, fruits and green tea are healthy. The classic, main explanation for this is that these foods contain antioxidants. But this is an oversimplification. A reason that healthy food is healthy is not because of its antioxidant activity, but because this food contains slightly toxic substances. These substances upregulate detoxification and repair enzymes in the body, so that our body is better protected against damage.
 
Healthy food is healthy not so much because of its antioxidants
 
Healthy foods are also healthy due to reasons other than their oxidants. Healthy food contains substances that have epigenetic effects, that reduce inflammation, that are beneficial to the gut microbiome, that do not overstimulate aging pathways (like mTOR or insulin receptors), that improve mitochondrial functioning. And of course, healthy foods deliver vitamins and minerals our body needs to function properly.
 
So healthy food is much more than just antioxidants. 
 
Antioxidants and aging 
 
The whole notion that antioxidants can slow down aging is a huge oversimplification of the aging process.
 
We know that we age because of many other mechanisms than accumulation of oxidative damage.
 
We also age because of epigenetic dysregulation, protein accumulation, lysosomal dysfunction, telomere shortening, crosslinking, mitochondrial dysfunction (in which most mitochondrial damage is not caused by oxidative damage, but by mutations in the mitochondrial DNA as a consequence of mitochondrial division), and so on. Aging is much more complex than just free radicals damaging our cellular machinery. 
 
Conclusion
 
In conclusion, taking antioxidants is not a good way to extend your lifespan. Of course, when you are deficient in specific antioxidants, such as vitamin A, vitamin E or other vitamins, taking these antioxidants can be very useful. But taking large doses of extra antioxidants to slow down the aging process doesn’t seem to work unfortunately.
 
To slow down aging and to extend human lifespan, we need to look beyond oxidants and their counterparts, antioxidants. We need to take in substances that act on various other aging mechanisms, like epigenetic dysregulation, protein accumulation and mitochondrial dysfunction. For this, we created NOVOS Core.
 

Edited by osris, 18 December 2022 - 06:40 PM.

  • unsure x 1

#2 ironfistx

  • Guest
  • 1,172 posts
  • 64
  • Location:Chicago

Posted 20 December 2022 - 01:58 AM

Well, I read that article recently.

 

The thing you have to remember is Novos is trying to sell their product.  They have a bunch of ingredients, none of which (other than vitamin C?) is an anti-oxidant.  So of course they're going to say "these things don't work!" because it's not what they're selling.  With that in mind, I'm not sure if their stuff works or not, and there is at least one review on reddit of it giving people headaches and them not being able to return it (no return guarantee on an expensive product like that is odd).  They have a lot of specifics on their site about myriad products and what they do.  So... I don't know.  But I figure, if anti-oxidants DID slow down aging, we'd probably know about it by now.


The founder of the company has an account here, btw.


  • Good Point x 3

sponsored ad

  • Advert
Click HERE to rent this advertising spot for SUPPLEMENTS (in thread) to support LongeCity (this will replace the google ad above).

#3 osris

  • Topic Starter
  • Guest
  • 531 posts
  • 81

Posted 21 December 2022 - 10:19 AM

Yes, I initially thought that too... that they were dissing antioxidants so as to sell their own products. But they cite the research of Siegfried Hekimi of the Department of Biology at McGill, as their "evidence". Here is an article about his research on this:

 

https://www.medicaln...articles/276589

 

He might be wrong, though, as I can find no other studies that repeat what he says.

 

 


  • Informative x 1

#4 ironfistx

  • Guest
  • 1,172 posts
  • 64
  • Location:Chicago

Posted 21 December 2022 - 03:46 PM

Are you saying the author of that study is wrong? Are there studies saying antioxidants slow aging?

#5 Rocket

  • Guest
  • 1,072 posts
  • 143
  • Location:Usa
  • NO

Posted 22 December 2022 - 02:02 AM

So in other words a cigarette a day is good because a little free radicals like in exercise is good.... But a pack a day is bad voodoo.

#6 osris

  • Topic Starter
  • Guest
  • 531 posts
  • 81

Posted 22 December 2022 - 05:13 PM

I don't know what to make of the study. It is just one study. If other studies come along saying the same thing, then it might have a grain of truth. 



#7 osris

  • Topic Starter
  • Guest
  • 531 posts
  • 81

Posted 22 December 2022 - 05:20 PM

Are you saying the author of that study is wrong? Are there studies saying antioxidants slow aging?

 

I can't find any other studies that back him up. 

 

His thesis that antioxidants don't slow down aging is unique. Everything I've read about antioxidants says that they do help in slowing aging down - to some extent. 

 

Maybe his research is funded by Big Pharma?


Edited by osris, 22 December 2022 - 05:22 PM.


#8 Mind

  • Life Member, Director, Moderator, Treasurer
  • 19,058 posts
  • 2,000
  • Location:Wausau, WI

Posted 22 December 2022 - 08:48 PM

It has been the opinion of most people that hang out here, that large amounts of anti-oxidants are probably not good for health. Here is an old thread tracking some of the studies that showed increased mortality.

 

When LongeCity members crowd-sourced and produced Vimmortal, it was intentionally a low-dose multi-vitamin, because all the research showed large doses were not good.

 

It makes sense from a metabolic standpoint. Our bodies continually produce pro-oxidant and anti-oxidant molecules for different reason. Jamming your body full of anti-oxidants could create imbalances.


  • Agree x 1

#9 osris

  • Topic Starter
  • Guest
  • 531 posts
  • 81

Posted 23 December 2022 - 04:51 AM

I agree that too many antioxidants can be bad, but the article seems to be saying that in principle antioxidants don't affect longevity. 



#10 ironfistx

  • Guest
  • 1,172 posts
  • 64
  • Location:Chicago

Posted 23 December 2022 - 10:16 PM

If antioxidants expanded lifespan then wouldn't all the huge vitamin c amount people still be alive?

sponsored ad

  • Advert
Click HERE to rent this advertising spot for SUPPLEMENTS (in thread) to support LongeCity (this will replace the google ad above).

#11 osris

  • Topic Starter
  • Guest
  • 531 posts
  • 81

Posted 24 December 2022 - 06:54 PM

They won't expand lifespan on their own, but they do help in cutting down damage from free radicals, which can shorten lifespan.
 
By the way, I recently found out that SGLT2 inhibitors have been linked to longevity:
 
 
There are synthetic SGLT2 inhibitors available on prescription for diabetics, but I never take synthetic substances as supplements.
 
There is a natural SGLT2 inhibitor called phlorizin, which is found only in apple bark. As far as I know, phlorizin is the only natural SGLT2 inhibitor in existence. Unfortunately, apple bark extract has yet to be formulated as a food supplement... or has it? I have looked, and found none.
 
Are there any?
 
 
 
 
 
 

Edited by osris, 24 December 2022 - 07:05 PM.






Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: antioxidants

0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users