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#61 donjoe

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 08:29 PM

Light up with a lighter, you breath in lighter fluid.

I never "knew" this, but for some reason, when I lit up I always blew out the first puff(s) without inhaling, so I guess I was avoiding this specific kind of damage(?). (I guess this matters if you think avoiding the inhalation of one type of gas makes any difference when you've already accepted that "it's OK" to inhale the mix of hundreds of gases coming out of that choke-stick.)

Natural Tobacco is healthy for you.

Uh-huh, sure. Tell yourself whatever makes you feel better about being unable/unwilling to quit (despite at some level knowing full well you should).

BTW: Notice the huge increase in Smoke Cessation products ads everywhere? You got it. Big Pharma cashing in.

And hey, did you also notice all the soap ads that appeared everywhere after it was invented? Just imagine how much money is being made annually from soap sales. Someone's definitely f--king us out of our money. :p (Insert example of Amazonian tribe "X" that doesn't use soap, but survives just fine even today, with maximum reported lifespans of 100 years. Don't forget to present this dubious anecdote as "scientific proof" in the most serious of tones.)

Go around and ask smokers and non-smokers who gets more colds.

Ooh! Ooh! Ask me! Ask me! (You already know what I'm going to tell you, don't you?)

If you stopped smoking, are you getting more colds? (Answer truthfully.)

It's hard to tell, because my "sample" is contaminated with significant diet improvements - I quit smoking soon after adopting a much healthier diet, so I couldn't say for sure what caused the improvements, but I can tell you when I smoked I used to get a cold (pharyngitis, bronchitis etc.) about every 3-4 months, but after I quit I went almost a whole year without any respiratory infection whatsoever. My last cold had been in November 2006 when I quit smoking in January 2007 and since then I've only had one mild cold (with a runny nose as its only symptom) in October 2007. Hell, these respiratory annoyances were one of the main reasons I decided it's over - no more periodic combustion residue inhalations for me.

At the time, I thought like everyone else, cigs. are bad for you. But over the last 6 months, I've been learning a lot.

Uh-huh. You call it whatever you want (e.g. "learning"), but telling other people to do what you do just because (and assuming that) you happen to have no visible adverse reactions to it (yet?) is still bad advice. Just because Jeanne Calment smoked until 117 and still lived to be 122 doesn't mean you can do the same, it doesn't mean anyone who reads your advice can do the same and also, importantly, it doesn't mean she couldn't have lived even longer had she not smoked at all.

Edited by donjoe, 01 January 2008 - 08:33 PM.


#62 luminous

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 10:22 PM

I've read that tobacco is carcinogenic due to the uranium contaminated fertilizer that tobacco growers
use. By itself, tobacco is not carcinogenic. That's not to say smoking is good for you. Also, nicotine is a poison that kills germs. When you smoke (I'm an ex-smoker) and your esophagus and lungs are lined in nicotine it actually kills germs. A few weeks after I stopped smoking, I came down with the most terrible case of bronchitis. I had no natural defense for it, being that I smoked since I was 12. I never had bronchitis before I stopped smoking. I haven't had it since either.

Well, I noticed an odd symptom when I quit smoking, and that was that my gums hurt for a while--a lot. I wondered at the time if they'd been coated with something protective from smoking. Maybe nicotine?

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 11:05 PM

I've read that tobacco is carcinogenic due to the uranium contaminated fertilizer that tobacco growers use. By itself, tobacco is not carcinogenic.


You really need to start fact-checking all the kooky stuff you read. You've been doing nothing but embarrassing yourself lately. Look at all the tobacco carcinogens listed here. Uranium is so far down on the list it isn't even mentioned.

Chem Res Toxicol. 2007 Dec 4
Progress and Challenges in Selected Areas of Tobacco Carcinogenesis.
Hecht SS.
hecht002@umn.edu.

Tobacco use continues to be a major cause of cancer in the developed world, and despite significant progress in this country in tobacco control, which is driving a decrease in cancer mortality, there are still over 1 billion smokers in the world. This perspective discusses some selected issues in tobacco carcinogenesis focusing on progress during the 20 years of publication of Chemical Research in Toxicology. The topics covered include metabolism and DNA modification by tobacco-specific nitrosamines, tobacco carcinogen biomarkers, an unidentified DNA ethylating agent in cigarette smoke, mutations in the K-RAS and p53 gene in tobacco-induced lung cancer and their possible relationship to specific carcinogens, secondhand smoke and lung cancer, emerging issues in smokeless tobacco use, and a conceptual model for understanding tobacco carcinogenesis. It is hoped that a better understanding of mechanisms of tobacco-induced cancer will lead to new and useful approaches for the prevention of lung cancer and other cancers caused by tobacco use.

PMID: 18052103

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#64 missminni

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 11:06 PM

I've read that tobacco is carcinogenic due to the uranium contaminated fertilizer that tobacco growers
use. By itself, tobacco is not carcinogenic. That's not to say smoking is good for you. Also, nicotine is a poison that kills germs. When you smoke (I'm an ex-smoker) and your esophagus and lungs are lined in nicotine it actually kills germs. A few weeks after I stopped smoking, I came down with the most terrible case of bronchitis. I had no natural defense for it, being that I smoked since I was 12. I never had bronchitis before I stopped smoking. I haven't had it since either.

Well, I noticed an odd symptom when I quit smoking, and that was that my gums hurt for a while--a lot. I wondered at the time if they'd been coated with something protective from smoking. Maybe nicotine?

Could be. I remember a friends father who was in his 50's was told by a doctor that if he
didn't stop drinking and smoking he would be dead within 5 years. He stopped immediately and got so sick with pneumonia
he died a short time later. All those years I guess the nicotine and alcohol must have been killing germs instead and doing the
work his immune system should have done. It stopped working.


#65 missminni

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 11:28 PM

I've read that tobacco is carcinogenic due to the uranium contaminated fertilizer that tobacco growers use. By itself, tobacco is not carcinogenic.


You really need to start fact-checking all the kooky stuff you read. You've been doing nothing but embarrassing yourself lately. Look at all the tobacco carcinogens listed here. Uranium is so far down on the list it isn't even mentioned.

Chem Res Toxicol. 2007 Dec 4
Progress and Challenges in Selected Areas of Tobacco Carcinogenesis.
Hecht SS.
hecht002@umn.edu.

Tobacco use continues to be a major cause of cancer in the developed world, and despite significant progress in this country in tobacco control, which is driving a decrease in cancer mortality, there are still over 1 billion smokers in the world. This perspective discusses some selected issues in tobacco carcinogenesis focusing on progress during the 20 years of publication of Chemical Research in Toxicology. The topics covered include metabolism and DNA modification by tobacco-specific nitrosamines, tobacco carcinogen biomarkers, an unidentified DNA ethylating agent in cigarette smoke, mutations in the K-RAS and p53 gene in tobacco-induced lung cancer and their possible relationship to specific carcinogens, secondhand smoke and lung cancer, emerging issues in smokeless tobacco use, and a conceptual model for understanding tobacco carcinogenesis. It is hoped that a better understanding of mechanisms of tobacco-induced cancer will lead to new and useful approaches for the prevention of lung cancer and other cancers caused by tobacco use.

PMID: 18052103

It's so kind of you to be concerned whether I have embarrassed myself. Not to worry. I am not embarrassed. This isn't a contest to be right.
I'm never embarrassed when I'm wrong. I learn from it.
On the other hand I've noticed you seem to have an ego issue that requires you to be right and if necessary rude too.
But thanks for your concern.
I stand corrected, thank you.
what I was referring to:

article link
June 3, 2000

This confidential Philip Morris (PM) memorandum from 1980 reveals that PM knew that smoke from their cigarettes contained radioactive lead and polonium, and that it was derived from the uranium in the calcium phosphate fertilizers that were regularly used on tobacco-growing soils. As the writer of this memo states most straightforwardly,

"210-Pb [radioactive lead] and 210-Po [radioactive polonium] are present in tobacco and smoke...."

They also knew that switching to another fertilizer could probably help the situation. Here's what they had to say about that:

"..using ammonium phosphate instead of calcium phosphate as fertilizer is probably a valid but expensive point...."



Edited by missminni, 02 January 2008 - 12:52 AM.


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Posted 02 January 2008 - 04:57 PM

Well, I noticed an odd symptom when I quit smoking, and that was that my gums hurt for a while--a lot. I wondered at the time if they'd been coated with something protective from smoking. Maybe nicotine?


It is. But you'll never hear this in our Corporate owned Mainstream news.

Nicotine is anti-bacterial.

News re Naser at American Society for Microbiology 101st Annual Meeting, Orlando FL. 1) "Shocker: 'Villain' nicotine slays TB. R Suriano. Orlando Sentinel 2001 May 22. With PC drivel. 2) Nicotine shows activity against Mycobacterium tuberculosis. Medscape - Reuters Health 2001 May 22. "'We found that this compound not only inhibits Mycobacterium tuberculosis growth, it kills it completely', explained lead researcher Dr. Saleh Naser of the University of Central Florida in Orlando... he believes nicotine may be effective against other bacteria as well. 'TB is a very tough bacterium. If you kill that one,' Dr. Naser said, 'you are on the right track.'"

This backs up what I've heard about the civilization that I trust: American Indians. When injured, they would put a tobacco leaf on the injury to sterilize it.

#67 missminni

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Posted 02 January 2008 - 05:09 PM

Well, I noticed an odd symptom when I quit smoking, and that was that my gums hurt for a while--a lot. I wondered at the time if they'd been coated with something protective from smoking. Maybe nicotine?


It is. But you'll never hear this in our Corporate owned Mainstream news.

Nicotine is anti-bacterial.

News re Naser at American Society for Microbiology 101st Annual Meeting, Orlando FL. 1) "Shocker: 'Villain' nicotine slays TB. R Suriano. Orlando Sentinel 2001 May 22. With PC drivel. 2) Nicotine shows activity against Mycobacterium tuberculosis. Medscape - Reuters Health 2001 May 22. "'We found that this compound not only inhibits Mycobacterium tuberculosis growth, it kills it completely', explained lead researcher Dr. Saleh Naser of the University of Central Florida in Orlando... he believes nicotine may be effective against other bacteria as well. 'TB is a very tough bacterium. If you kill that one,' Dr. Naser said, 'you are on the right track.'"

This backs up what I've heard about the civilization that I trust: American Indians. When injured, they would put a tobacco leaf on the injury to sterilize it.

Nicotine also enhances memory function. My mother was involved in a clinical study using nicotine gum with early stage alzheimers patients and had excellent results.

#68 infinitethought

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Posted 02 January 2008 - 05:16 PM

Chem Res Toxicol. 2007 Dec 4
Progress and Challenges in Selected Areas of Tobacco Carcinogenesis.
Hecht SS.
hecht002@umn.edu.

Tobacco use continues to be a major cause of cancer in the developed world, and despite significant progress in this country in tobacco control, which is driving a decrease in cancer mortality, there are still over 1 billion smokers in the world. This perspective discusses some selected issues in tobacco carcinogenesis focusing on progress during the 20 years of publication of Chemical Research in Toxicology. The topics covered include metabolism and DNA modification by tobacco-specific nitrosamines, tobacco carcinogen biomarkers, an unidentified DNA ethylating agent in cigarette smoke, mutations in the K-RAS and p53 gene in tobacco-induced lung cancer and their possible relationship to specific carcinogens, secondhand smoke and lung cancer, emerging issues in smokeless tobacco use, and a conceptual model for understanding tobacco carcinogenesis. It is hoped that a better understanding of mechanisms of tobacco-induced cancer will lead to new and useful approaches for the prevention of lung cancer and other cancers caused by tobacco use.

PMID: 18052103


Personally I wouldn't trust that PMID article you cited as far as I can throw it. The present state of Medicine is owned by Pharmaceutical Companies. We've lost our natural knowledge of herbs and healing.
Again, it's all about the money.

The reason why cancer is out of control in the Developed world is not tobacco, but the polluted air we breathe.

#69 donjoe

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 08:50 PM

The present state of Medicine is owned by Pharmaceutical Companies.

Don't underestimate the power of tobacco companies over the "scientific truth":
http://www.newscient...=mg19726434.500




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