I dunno. What makes the AOR whey so hot. Just another isolate/concentrate blend, ISTM.
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Posted 23 March 2007 - 01:24 AM
I dunno. What makes the AOR whey so hot. Just another isolate/concentrate blend, ISTM.
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While Whey is a great protein source, most people overlook the myriad benefits associated with a high quality whey and its inherent micorfractions alpha-lactalbumin, lactoferrin and sialic acid. AOR'S Whey is one of the first I have found to have such high values of each and has listed amounts of each as well. If you don't realize the value of these ingredients then you should certainly look into it before making such a grandiose statement.
AOR offers a start: http://www.aor.ca/in...vanced_whey.php
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Posted 23 March 2007 - 08:01 AM
Hardly grandiose, ageless! 
I never claimed to be an expert on whey. But, to my amateur eye, a review of the ingredients
posted by AOR for their whey looked basically identical to just about every other whey blend
I'd ever seen.
Thanks for the education, grandiose or no.
In addition, if ya read any producer's propaganda, most every one will claim to have
some nutritional/biophysiologic advantage over every other brand, whether that
be "spray dried plasma protein,"
"organic source," "proprietary blend of full spectrum whey peptides" or
added lactoferrin, etc., etc., etc.
So, according to one's particular focus, any one of the higher quality
proteins may be the "best" for that individual. Jay Robb claims one oughta
stick exclusively to isolates, etc.
So, I hardly find this a cut and dried, simple clear cut choice issue, personally. JMO,
no grandiosity implied- just a bit of ignorance, sloth, and limited intellect. [huh]
I never claimed to be an expert on whey. But, to my amateur eye, a review of the ingredients
posted by AOR for their whey looked basically identical to just about every other whey blend
I'd ever seen.
Thanks for the education, grandiose or no.
In addition, if ya read any producer's propaganda, most every one will claim to have
some nutritional/biophysiologic advantage over every other brand, whether that
be "spray dried plasma protein,"
"organic source," "proprietary blend of full spectrum whey peptides" or
added lactoferrin, etc., etc., etc.
So, according to one's particular focus, any one of the higher quality
proteins may be the "best" for that individual. Jay Robb claims one oughta
stick exclusively to isolates, etc.
So, I hardly find this a cut and dried, simple clear cut choice issue, personally. JMO,
no grandiosity implied- just a bit of ignorance, sloth, and limited intellect. [huh]
Edited by tintinet, 23 March 2007 - 08:18 AM.
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Posted 26 July 2008 - 01:38 AM
Duke are you still using Jay Robb?
Zoo are you still using a custom blend?
I'm running out of ON's Whey and am looking for a better quality protein mix if there's one out there.
I'm down to Jarrow, Jay Robb, or making my own.
I use the Jay Robb protein, I dont do any artificial sweeteners, so the stevia is probably the largest factor for me choosing it, plus the taste is awesome.
I am not sure what everyone is mixing their whey with in here, but after trying the usual things like mixing it with water or milk or getting the blender out and mixing in ice and making a mess, the best method I have come up with is mixing it with plain, unflavored unsweetened yogurt. Most yogurts have alot of sugar or artificial sweeteners, but plain yogurt is tart and nasty so the flavor and the stevia sweetener from the Jay Robb protein flavors and sweetens the yogurt and it comes out perfect, I buy a quart and premix the powder and so it is extremely fast to prepare just pour out of container and your done. Much easier than other methods like blending or mixing etc. as there just isnt any mixing or work. I throw in a handful of pecans for some low carb crunch and you get a high protein low carb no artificial sweetener meal that tastes good and lasts me for hours.
Edited by ortcloud, 26 July 2008 - 01:38 AM.
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Posted 26 July 2008 - 01:40 AM
Oh and regarding the bovine plasma protein, I have some concerns. While it does have alot of IgG it also has alot of IGF-1 and I am concerned too much of it is not a good thing. Bodybuilders might be ok with it for its anabolic properties, it might have some issues with cancer risk and life extension.
Edited by ortcloud, 26 July 2008 - 01:41 AM.
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Posted 26 July 2008 - 06:21 AM
Bovine growth hormone: human food safety evaluation
JC Juskevich and CG Guyer
Food and Drug Administration, Center for Veterinary Medicine, Office of New Animal Drug Evaluation, Rockville, MD 20857.
Scientists in the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), after reviewing the scientific literature and evaluating studies conducted by pharmaceutical companies, have concluded that the use of recombinant bovine growth hormone (rbGH) in dairy cattle presents no increased health risk to consumers. Bovine GH is not biologically active in humans, and oral toxicity studies have demonstrated that rbGH is not orally active in rats, a species responsive to parenterally administered bGH. Recombinant bGH treatment produces an increase in the concentration of insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I) in cow's milk. However, oral toxicity studies have shown that bovine IGF-I lacks oral activity in rats. Additionally, the concentration of IGF-I in milk of rbGH-treated cows is within the normal physiological range found in human breast milk, and IGF-I is denatured under conditions used to process cow's milk for infant formula. On the basis of estimates of the amount of protein absorbed intact in humans and the concentration of IGF-I in cow's milk during rbGH treatment, biologically significant levels of intact IGF-I would not be absorbed.
Nutrition
Volume 18, Issues 7-8, July-August 2002, Pages 566-567
Oral nutritional supplementation of colostrum, the first milk secreted by cows after calving, has long been advocated as promoting health. In the late 1980s it became an important nutritional supplement for athletes. Although it has not been established unequivocally that colostrum enhances performance in humans, athletes take oral bovine colostrum in an attempt to use all possible legal means to enhance performance. The interest in this supplement recently has regained momentum.
Colostrum is designed by nature as a substance that protects a newborn’s immune system and provides passive immunity against a host of microorganisms. It also assists the body with protein synthesis, muscle building, and tissue growth. Colostrum is a rich source of bioactive proteins, [1 and 2] which could account for its prescribed actions. Although colostrum might contain proteins with anabolic actions that have not yet been described, a possible mechanism of action could come from insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I). It is the most abundant and well-described growth factor in colostrum and has the same amino acid structure in bovines and humans. [3] Administration of IGF-I stimulated muscle protein synthesis in animals [1 and 4] and humans. [5] Colostrum supplementation may increase plasma IGF-I concentrations, which has a direct action on tissue growth, or IGF-I might increase intestinal maturation and, with that increase, nutrient uptake. However, Buckley et al. [6 and 7] found no increases in plasma IGF-I levels with the use of bovine colostrums (Intact™, GNC, Pittsburgh, PA, USA), whereas Mero et al. [8] found changes in IGF-I levels after training in subjects who had ingested bovine colostrums, although the magnitude of change was small and remained within the normal physiologic range. In addition to IGF-I, bovine colostrum contains growth hormone. Growth hormone also exerts a specific effect on metabolism. [9] In contrast to IGF-I, this form of bovine growth hormone does not bind to the human growth hormone receptor. [10. S.C. Souza, G.P. Frick, X. Wang et al., A single arginine residue determines species specificity of the human growth hormone receptor. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 92 (1995), p. 959. Full Text via CrossRef | View Record in Scopus | Cited By in Scopus (32)10]
Because colostrum contains components forbidden by the International Olympic Committee (IOC; e.g., IGF and growth hormone), whether to add colostrum to the IOC’s list of banned substances is being debated. The purpose of this study was to investigate 1) whether colostrum supplementation (60 g/d) has any effect on plasma levels of IGF-I and its binding protein (insulin-like growth factor binding protein-3 [IGFBP3]) and 2) whether 4 wk of supplementation would have any effect on a regular urine drug test in an IOC-accredited laboratory.
RESULTS:
Blood IGF-I levels before supplementation were (mean ± standard deviation) 31 ± 13 nM/L, and no acute effects were observed after 4 wk of supplementation (33 ± 9 nM/L). Levels of IGF-binding protein-3 were 136 ± 11 nM/L before supplementation and 135 ± 16 nM/L after 4 wk of supplementation. Two hours after ingestion of the last portion, the level of IGF binding protein-3 was 131 ± 19 nM/L, which was not different from baseline values. Drug testing in a laboratory accredited by the International Olympic Committee did not show any forbidden substance before or after 4 wk of supplementation.
CONCLUSIONS:
Daily supplementation with 60 g of bovine colostrum for 4 wk does not change blood IGF-I or IGF binding protein-3 levels and does not elicit positive results on drug tests.
JC Juskevich and CG Guyer
Food and Drug Administration, Center for Veterinary Medicine, Office of New Animal Drug Evaluation, Rockville, MD 20857.
Scientists in the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), after reviewing the scientific literature and evaluating studies conducted by pharmaceutical companies, have concluded that the use of recombinant bovine growth hormone (rbGH) in dairy cattle presents no increased health risk to consumers. Bovine GH is not biologically active in humans, and oral toxicity studies have demonstrated that rbGH is not orally active in rats, a species responsive to parenterally administered bGH. Recombinant bGH treatment produces an increase in the concentration of insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I) in cow's milk. However, oral toxicity studies have shown that bovine IGF-I lacks oral activity in rats. Additionally, the concentration of IGF-I in milk of rbGH-treated cows is within the normal physiological range found in human breast milk, and IGF-I is denatured under conditions used to process cow's milk for infant formula. On the basis of estimates of the amount of protein absorbed intact in humans and the concentration of IGF-I in cow's milk during rbGH treatment, biologically significant levels of intact IGF-I would not be absorbed.
Nutrition
Volume 18, Issues 7-8, July-August 2002, Pages 566-567
Oral nutritional supplementation of colostrum, the first milk secreted by cows after calving, has long been advocated as promoting health. In the late 1980s it became an important nutritional supplement for athletes. Although it has not been established unequivocally that colostrum enhances performance in humans, athletes take oral bovine colostrum in an attempt to use all possible legal means to enhance performance. The interest in this supplement recently has regained momentum.
Colostrum is designed by nature as a substance that protects a newborn’s immune system and provides passive immunity against a host of microorganisms. It also assists the body with protein synthesis, muscle building, and tissue growth. Colostrum is a rich source of bioactive proteins, [1 and 2] which could account for its prescribed actions. Although colostrum might contain proteins with anabolic actions that have not yet been described, a possible mechanism of action could come from insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I). It is the most abundant and well-described growth factor in colostrum and has the same amino acid structure in bovines and humans. [3] Administration of IGF-I stimulated muscle protein synthesis in animals [1 and 4] and humans. [5] Colostrum supplementation may increase plasma IGF-I concentrations, which has a direct action on tissue growth, or IGF-I might increase intestinal maturation and, with that increase, nutrient uptake. However, Buckley et al. [6 and 7] found no increases in plasma IGF-I levels with the use of bovine colostrums (Intact™, GNC, Pittsburgh, PA, USA), whereas Mero et al. [8] found changes in IGF-I levels after training in subjects who had ingested bovine colostrums, although the magnitude of change was small and remained within the normal physiologic range. In addition to IGF-I, bovine colostrum contains growth hormone. Growth hormone also exerts a specific effect on metabolism. [9] In contrast to IGF-I, this form of bovine growth hormone does not bind to the human growth hormone receptor. [10. S.C. Souza, G.P. Frick, X. Wang et al., A single arginine residue determines species specificity of the human growth hormone receptor. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 92 (1995), p. 959. Full Text via CrossRef | View Record in Scopus | Cited By in Scopus (32)10]
Because colostrum contains components forbidden by the International Olympic Committee (IOC; e.g., IGF and growth hormone), whether to add colostrum to the IOC’s list of banned substances is being debated. The purpose of this study was to investigate 1) whether colostrum supplementation (60 g/d) has any effect on plasma levels of IGF-I and its binding protein (insulin-like growth factor binding protein-3 [IGFBP3]) and 2) whether 4 wk of supplementation would have any effect on a regular urine drug test in an IOC-accredited laboratory.
RESULTS:
Blood IGF-I levels before supplementation were (mean ± standard deviation) 31 ± 13 nM/L, and no acute effects were observed after 4 wk of supplementation (33 ± 9 nM/L). Levels of IGF-binding protein-3 were 136 ± 11 nM/L before supplementation and 135 ± 16 nM/L after 4 wk of supplementation. Two hours after ingestion of the last portion, the level of IGF binding protein-3 was 131 ± 19 nM/L, which was not different from baseline values. Drug testing in a laboratory accredited by the International Olympic Committee did not show any forbidden substance before or after 4 wk of supplementation.
CONCLUSIONS:
Daily supplementation with 60 g of bovine colostrum for 4 wk does not change blood IGF-I or IGF binding protein-3 levels and does not elicit positive results on drug tests.
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Posted 26 July 2008 - 03:02 PM
Bovine growth hormone: human food safety evaluation
JC Juskevich and CG Guyer
Food and Drug Administration, Center for Veterinary Medicine, Office of New Animal Drug Evaluation, Rockville, MD 20857.
CONCLUSIONS:
Daily supplementation with 60 g of bovine colostrum for 4 wk does not change blood IGF-I or IGF binding protein-3 levels and does not elicit positive results on drug tests.
Interesting research but remember colostrum is dried milk, this is dried blood you are drinking.
There might be a difference in colostrum igf-1 because it has to pass through the mammary gland and pure unfiltered cow blood.
ok kids who wants more "blood shake !!" mmm, yummy. I DO, I DO !
hurry up and drink it kids before it starts to clot !
sally, wipe the blood mustache off your brothers lip.
and fade to black......
Narrator voice over -"Got Blood ?"
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Posted 27 July 2008 - 11:19 PM
Truth, Justice, and American Whey? Hey, if it's good enough for Superguy...
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Posted 10 November 2008 - 05:20 PM
What's the benefit of Bioferrin/lactoferrin?LEF, Enhanced Life Extension protein which contains Bioferrin/lactoferrin
I have the same question: What is the benefit of Vioferrin/lactoferrin? I haven't seen anything on it/them.
I'm still debating between Jarrow and LEF's products in the category for protein powders. I am also musing over Jarrow's "ultrafiltered" version: http://www.iherb.com...spx?c=1&pid=343
Is it superior to their normal protein powders?
Any other thoughts on protein powders? I'm looking for something in the price range of Jarrow or LEF at the most--beyond that and I just don't want to spend the extra cash for protein powder.
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Posted 10 November 2008 - 07:24 PM
I've been using Mercola's - good stuff but way too sweet for my taste. It's like candy.
Anyone ever use Robb's Unflavored Whey? It's grass fed; no sweeteners. Sounds like good stuff.
I think a number of members here use Robb's, such as Duke. I looked at it, but it is crazy expensive and I am not interested in investing that much into it.
I am still trying to determine why Bioferrin and Lactoferrin are so great--LEF promotes it heavily in their product. I see it is supposed to be good for improved immune system, but is it worth it? Any thoughts?
Right now, I am debating between the following choices:
1) LEF: http://www.iherb.com...px?c=1&pid=4022
2) Jarrow Ultrafiltered: http://www.iherb.com...spx?c=1&pid=343
3) Jarrow Regular: http://www.iherb.com...c...id=270&at=0
4) Optimum Nutrition: http://www.amazon.co..._bxgy_hpc_img_a
Unless there are some superior products out there in the same general price range. I could use some help/thoughts on this. Which one should I go for and why?
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Posted 10 November 2008 - 08:58 PM
I've been using Mercola's - good stuff but way too sweet for my taste. It's like candy.
Anyone ever use Robb's Unflavored Whey? It's grass fed; no sweeteners. Sounds like good stuff.
I think a number of members here use Robb's, such as Duke. I looked at it, but it is crazy expensive and I am not interested in investing that much into it.
I am still trying to determine why Bioferrin and Lactoferrin are so great--LEF promotes it heavily in their product. I see it is supposed to be good for improved immune system, but is it worth it? Any thoughts?
Right now, I am debating between the following choices:
1) LEF: http://www.iherb.com...px?c=1&pid=4022
2) Jarrow Ultrafiltered: http://www.iherb.com...spx?c=1&pid=343
3) Jarrow Regular: http://www.iherb.com...c...id=270&at=0
4) Optimum Nutrition: http://www.amazon.co..._bxgy_hpc_img_a
Unless there are some superior products out there in the same general price range. I could use some help/thoughts on this. Which one should I go for and why?
Good heavens - every new product I see seems to be the best, eh?
Wouldn't it be funny if they all got their whey from the same place and just repackaged it with slightly different marketing?
A man could get killed for telling the truth like that
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I've been using Mercola's - good stuff but way too sweet for my taste. It's like candy.
Anyone ever use Robb's Unflavored Whey? It's grass fed; no sweeteners. Sounds like good stuff.
I think a number of members here use Robb's, such as Duke. I looked at it, but it is crazy expensive and I am not interested in investing that much into it.
I am still trying to determine why Bioferrin and Lactoferrin are so great--LEF promotes it heavily in their product. I see it is supposed to be good for improved immune system, but is it worth it? Any thoughts?
Right now, I am debating between the following choices:
1) LEF: http://www.iherb.com...px?c=1&pid=4022
2) Jarrow Ultrafiltered: http://www.iherb.com...spx?c=1&pid=343
3) Jarrow Regular: http://www.iherb.com...c...id=270&at=0
4) Optimum Nutrition: http://www.amazon.co..._bxgy_hpc_img_a
Unless there are some superior products out there in the same general price range. I could use some help/thoughts on this. Which one should I go for and why?
Good heavens - every new product I see seems to be the best, eh?
Wouldn't it be funny if they all got their whey from the same place and just repackaged it with slightly different marketing?
A man could get killed for telling the truth like that
I am not disagreeing with you there. That's why I put this up on the board--there are folks here a hell of a lot more knowledgeable than I am on this topic. Hope to get some answers.
all jarrow whey is ultrafiltered... its a good product, def one of the best on the market for the price.
Good point. So then the difference between the two Jarrow products seems mostly in fat and calorie content, unless I am missing something.
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The best whey depends on your reason for taking whey. Whey is a source of BCAA, that's good for bodybuilding. You might take it for the lactoferin. If you use whey for purposes of glutathione supplementation, the place to go is:
www.rimkor7.com/lowcost.php
They try to analyze the problem systematically based on data from an animal study. Evaluating 16 different whey products, they come up with the conclusion that Jarrow unflavored is 5 times more "cost-effective" than Immunocal. Immunocal is generally considered to be the classic whey protein for supplementing glutathione. It even has an entry in the 2009 Physician's Desk Reference. Seems rather odd considering that it is more of a nutraceautical than a pharmaceutical.
www.rimkor7.com/lowcost.php
They try to analyze the problem systematically based on data from an animal study. Evaluating 16 different whey products, they come up with the conclusion that Jarrow unflavored is 5 times more "cost-effective" than Immunocal. Immunocal is generally considered to be the classic whey protein for supplementing glutathione. It even has an entry in the 2009 Physician's Desk Reference. Seems rather odd considering that it is more of a nutraceautical than a pharmaceutical.
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Those guys over at immunocal are pushing real hard for it to reach pharmaceutical status. I am very happy to hear about Jarrow's whey. I have been using this one for months off and on. I knew it was a good price and after taking a close look at it I realized it may be of fairly high quality.The best whey depends on your reason for taking whey. Whey is a source of BCAA, that's good for bodybuilding. You might take it for the lactoferin. If you use whey for purposes of glutathione supplementation, the place to go is:
www.rimkor7.com/lowcost.php
They try to analyze the problem systematically based on data from an animal study. Evaluating 16 different whey products, they come up with the conclusion that Jarrow unflavored is 5 times more "cost-effective" than Immunocal. Immunocal is generally considered to be the classic whey protein for supplementing glutathione. It even has an entry in the 2009 Physician's Desk Reference. Seems rather odd considering that it is more of a nutraceautical than a pharmaceutical.
Does anyone know if keeping Jarrow's or other whey proteins refrigerated after opening is optimal for maintaining quality? I've been keeping mine refrigerated/
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The best whey depends on your reason for taking whey. Whey is a source of BCAA, that's good for bodybuilding. You might take it for the lactoferin. If you use whey for purposes of glutathione supplementation, the place to go is:
www.rimkor7.com/lowcost.php
They try to analyze the problem systematically based on data from an animal study. Evaluating 16 different whey products, they come up with the conclusion that Jarrow unflavored is 5 times more "cost-effective" than Immunocal. Immunocal is generally considered to be the classic whey protein for supplementing glutathione. It even has an entry in the 2009 Physician's Desk Reference. Seems rather odd considering that it is more of a nutraceautical than a pharmaceutical.
this is really a great post/comment. thx much.
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The best whey depends on your reason for taking whey. Whey is a source of BCAA, that's good for bodybuilding. You might take it for the lactoferin. If you use whey for purposes of glutathione supplementation, the place to go is:
www.rimkor7.com/lowcost.php
They try to analyze the problem systematically based on data from an animal study. Evaluating 16 different whey products, they come up with the conclusion that Jarrow unflavored is 5 times more "cost-effective" than Immunocal. Immunocal is generally considered to be the classic whey protein for supplementing glutathione. It even has an entry in the 2009 Physician's Desk Reference. Seems rather odd considering that it is more of a nutraceautical than a pharmaceutical.
this is really a great post/comment. thx much.
+1
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This is my vote http://www.amazon.co...d/dp/B000GIPIXU , second up I love goat whey.
Does anyone know a trusted supplement store that has aftermax for less then amazon or bulknutrition ?
Does anyone know a trusted supplement store that has aftermax for less then amazon or bulknutrition ?
Edited by Doc Eight or DE, 01 June 2009 - 02:26 AM.
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I use:
True Protein with natural flavors (stevia sweetener). I consider it a big move up from ON Whey which is basically a concentrate. I also order bulk fish oil and vitamin C caps from them
Whey Protein Isolate Ultra-Filtration
+ NATURAL Premium Vanilla $1/
($9.79 a lb for everything)
And
Milk Protein Isolate
+ NATURAL Premium Vanilla $1/
($8.49 a lb for everything)
True Protein with natural flavors (stevia sweetener). I consider it a big move up from ON Whey which is basically a concentrate. I also order bulk fish oil and vitamin C caps from them
Whey Protein Isolate Ultra-Filtration
+ NATURAL Premium Vanilla $1/
($9.79 a lb for everything)
And
Milk Protein Isolate
+ NATURAL Premium Vanilla $1/
($8.49 a lb for everything)
Edited by zm3thod, 02 June 2009 - 01:01 AM.
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 03:41 AM
Nutritional (vegetarian) yeast might be better than whey. 1 scoop is 45 calories, 8 g protein, 0 fat, 4 g carbs as fiber, enough B vitamins to make you blush. $6 a pound is typical. The taste is bland at best, but I drink it straight with water. There are books on how to use it in food.
http://www.bulkfoods...chParamTxt=4742
I learned this hont from Jack LaLane who said on TV once "I get all my protein from yeast and egg whites". If you scramble your own egg whites and throw away the yellow, it cost you $20/pound in egg white protein g verses about $9/pound true g whey protein. Yeast is about $12/pound true protein grams
http://www.bulkfoods...chParamTxt=4742
I learned this hont from Jack LaLane who said on TV once "I get all my protein from yeast and egg whites". If you scramble your own egg whites and throw away the yellow, it cost you $20/pound in egg white protein g verses about $9/pound true g whey protein. Yeast is about $12/pound true protein grams
Edited by zawy, 02 June 2009 - 03:50 AM.
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Posted 02 June 2009 - 08:18 PM
Does anyone know if keeping Jarrow's or other whey proteins refrigerated after opening is optimal for maintaining quality? I've been keeping mine refrigerated/
I contacted the company that makes mine (Designer Whey) in the past. They told me not to refrigerate because it will cause moisture inside the bottle. (I could have explained the reason better but I forget how they put it.)
Edited by nancyd, 02 June 2009 - 08:19 PM.
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