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[xanadu]

As a matter of fact, narcissistic, it does not work that way. They have never found that cannabinoid receptors become overstimulated and reduce in number. As a matter of fact, regular users may need less to achieve the same effects than those who use very rarely. Pot is illegal because of politics and politicians.

[Infernity]

It's good if you wanna be like A. Kamil 8)

-Infernity

[Shepard]

Now that's just not necessary.

[narcissistic]

As a matter of fact, narcissistic, it does not work that way. They have never found that cannabinoid receptors become overstimulated and reduce in number. As a matter of fact, regular users may need less to achieve the same effects than those who use very rarely. Pot is illegal because of politics and politicians.

really? I was pretty sure that it work that way with all monoamines, even though drugs wear not involved. for instants if we get depressed the amount of serotonin will reduce and as a consequence the number of receptors to take up the available serotonin will increase in number. And opposite if we fell real good for a vile the receptors available to collect the excessive amount of serotonin or dopamine will decrease.

The bad thing with weed is probably that its to good. Some people yeast sit around a hole life smoking pot and being completely satisfied with things, they don’t even have to make an effort to get the money becosese its so cheap.

[Shannon Vyff]

Need to point out that a THC vaporizer, does in fact damage the lungs--albeit not as much as traditional burning/smoke.

It is still safer for your lungs to simply eat a properly made and dosed THC imbued food treat.

I lived in Eugene Oregon for 10 years. I over time observed friends and family who used THC for years in all manners, smoking, vaporizers, eating. A also saw them not only become addicted (hey we get addicted to caffeine too) but lose drive and some became emotionally unstable. While living there, at times I delved into voraciously learning about THC.

I do not agree with the title of this thread in the first place, but I do agree that it should not be under 'Food, Nutrition, and Exercise' Is there not a related discussion of cannabis under 'Nootropics and Brain Enhancers' ?

[xanadu]

Now that's just not necessary.

Agreed. There is no need to make personal attacks when debating something. People should keep their comments to the subject at hand.

wing girl, I think you are correct about eating being the best way. It does have to be heated at some point in the process or the pot will have no effect.

[DJS]

wing girl: Need to point out that a THC vaporizer, does in fact damage the lungs--albeit not as much as traditional burning/smoke.

It is still safer for your lungs to simply eat a properly made and dosed THC imbued food treat.

I lived in Eugene Oregon for 10 years.  I over time observed friends and family who used THC for years in all manners, smoking, vaporizers, eating.  A also saw them not only become addicted (hey we get addicted to caffeine too) but lose drive and some became emotionally unstable.  While living there, at times I delved into voraciously learning about THC.

You say that THC vapor particles still damage the lungs. Do you have any information on why this might be the case? And if so, to what extent there is in fact damage? Please understand that this is not a rhetorical question, I honestly am curious. The way I see it, there are a wide variety of airborne particles that enter our lungs on a daily basis with apparently negligible health effects (eg, pollen, dust, etc), so I am reluctant to just assume that any and all particles entering the lungs are measurably harmful.

Of course, there is no health risk whatsoever to your lungs if the marijuana is consumed orally. However the difference in rate of delivery has an overall effect on the "high" experienced, which is why people typically prefer absorbtion through the lungs.

As far as the negative effects of marijuana (addiction, laziness, etc), sure, anything can be harmful if over done. I remember I use to have co-workers who couldn't wait to get out of work at 5pm so they could get baked. With something like marijuana I've never understood that type of urge. I don't know, perhaps my mind just works differently than that of others.

[Aegist]

I've never smoked pot (or any ciagarette for that matter), and I hate the smell of it, and I have no desire whatsoever to engage in it. But I still think it should be legalized. there is no real argument for why it isn't which can't be adequately targetted to smoking and alcohol in one form or another. (and I don't like either of those either, but I don't agree with arbitrarily removing the rights of others just because you don't like it)

[Aegist]

My mother caught me drinking at age 12 and had me write a 30 page referenced paper on the effects of THC, tobacco and alcohol on the brain.

That is exactly the sort of parent I want to be when my time comes. One who educates instead of punishes, so that your children can make informed decisions for themselves rather than do something out of fear of punishment.

[DJS]

My mother caught me drinking at age 12 and had me write a 30 page referenced paper on the effects of THC, tobacco and alcohol on the brain.

That is exactly the sort of parent I want to be when my time comes. One who educates instead of punishes, so that your children can make informed decisions for themselves rather than do something out of fear of punishment.

Are you trying to tell me that having a 12 year old write a 30 page research paper isn't a punishment?! [lol] Reminds me of the time I was grounded until I had written the Nicene Creed 100 times and could faithfully recite it word for word...wait, I've said too much... [tung]

(and yeah of course, my example is actually the exact opposite of learning)

[DJS]

Ageist: I've never smoked pot (or any ciagarette for that matter), and I hate the smell of it, and I have no desire whatsoever to engage in it.

I must admit that this type of mind set is totally foreign to me – not that I’m being judgmental or anything. After all, I have quite a few friends with your view and I respect their right to cognitive liberty. However one aspect of my personality is an intense curiosity. This curiosity is directed at all things intellectual and experiential. So, barring situations where I perceive an unacceptable level of risk, I am generally down for giving anything a try at least once.

[Aegist]

Well, perhaps 'no desire whatsoever' is one step too far, because I too suffer from extreme curiosity, and so I do have a curiosity as to how it feels, but in this instance my curiosity is greatly offset by the smoke aspect (I hate smoke with a passion). And actually, in truth I did try a pancake made with some bud in it, but it achieved nothing.

So I am not adverse to the potential experience, its the method of intake which I have the strong adversion to, and then I have a consistent 'fear' of getting addicted or letting the drug state become normal (as so many of my family members have), so I have pretty much decided from a very young age to simply avoid drugs et al. not adverse to 1 experiment, but I will avoid regularity with them at all cost.

[Shannon Vyff]

The Vapor is hot--it still burns the cilia in the lungs and damages the mucosal lining of the throat and lungs. (there is also small bit of smoke, but all this is many times less harmful than straight burning of the Marijuana)

You don't just heat the Marijuana while cooking--it must be heated at near boiling temps in fat--the THC transfers into the fat. Cooking it without butter, would be just like eating Marijuana straight--no effect)

When I learned about the effects of various drugs on the brain, I never tried them as a teen. I always wanted to try acid when I was 60--but I feel I've accidently had that exp. from and adverse effect from Ambien--and as I like my faculties as intact as possible, I only abuse caffeine

Dear Lord The Nicene Creed! Hmmm just gave me the idea--have my kids copy The Immortalist Mannifesto when they are in trouble next! (oh, but then they'd not like it--currently I have them copy pages out of a science questions and answers book for kids, and they seem to like it still--even use what they've written about in the past for reference...hmmm)

[Aegist]

When I learned about the effects of various drugs on the brain, I never tried them as a teen.  I always wanted to try acid when I was 60--but I feel I've accidently had that exp. from and adverse effect from Ambien--and as I like my faculties as intact as possible, I only abuse caffeine

And thats it exactly. My fear is losing mental faculty (as well as the general dislike of not being in complete control of myself, I consider myself incredibly capable, and losing control just doesn't fit in with that picture of myself).

I too abuse caffeine....actually, probably moreso sugar. Way too much sugar in my diet...but Coke and Chocolate are just so damn nice!

[zoolander]

general dislike of not being in complete control of myself, I consider myself incredibly capable, and losing control just doesn't fit in with that picture of myself

Stay away from ecstasy, cocaine and ice then. These substance usually give you a greater sense of control and a heightened sense of how capable you are.

That's what a little birdy told me

A friend of mine is red-green color blind and when he takes acid he sees the full spectrum of color.

[doug123]

http://questionthema...-marijuana.aspx

Here are his reasons (go to article to see links to his sources for most of them):

25 Reasons to Smoke Marijuana
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This entry was posted on 12/22/2006 3:54 PM and is filed under Question the Media,Question your government,Question Your Health.
Reasons to Smoke Pot

1) Nobody has ever died from smoking pot.

2) Marijuana users report less depression

3) Marijuana does not cause emphysema, unlike tobacco.

4) Marijuana does not cause cancer (and if you  smoke it you are actually slightly less likely to get cancer)


5) THC actually helps cleanse the lungs, preventing tumors

6) Daily marijuana use doesn’t damage your brain.

7) There has never been a study to link marijuana with psychological problems, though it’s not for a lack of trying.

8) Marijuana is NOT a gateway drug.

9) Marijuana fights hardened arteries

10) Marijuana has both stalled the growth of and eliminated brain tumors in rats. Such an experiment has yet to be done on humans.

11) Not that herd mentality is a good reason, but you’re not alone. Marijuana is the US’s number one crop.

12) Sex gets a whole lot better

13) 15 million people smoke it a month (US only).


16) Marijuana can prevent blindness.

17) Marijuana can prevent migraines.

18) Marijuana is less addictive than caffeine. There is no physical addiction but a slight mental addiction can develop.

19) In 1977 the DEA wanted to decriminalize marijuana.

20) Haven’t you always wanted to be able to laugh at Pauly Shore?

21) Because legality isn’t a good enough reason for you to not smoke. Slavery was once legal and sodomy was once illegal; legality is a horrid barometer for morality.

22) Because getting “high” isn’t “bad.” Though you may not realize it, eating meat or candy or fried foods or vegetables or drinking coffee, tea, or soda all effect your mental state. All of these things can make you “high.”

23) Because we don’t yet know all of the benefits of marijuana; the government has tried for years to prove that it is harmful and has consistently failed. Very few studies have explored its benefits.

24) Because you would be in the company of Louis Armstrong, the Beatles, Bob Denver, Bill Clinton, George Bush (okay, never mind him), famous scientist Carl Sagan, Michael Bloomberg, Lewis Caroll, George Washington Carver, Salvador Dali, Al Gore, Steve Jobs,  John kennedy, John Wayne, and George Washington.

25) Because it feels good.

The answers might be found here.

Take care.

[Aegist]

Stay away from ecstasy, cocaine and ice then. These substance usually give you a greater sense of control and a heightened sense of how capable you are.

That's what a little birdy told me

A friend of mine is red-green color blind and when he takes acid he sees the full spectrum of color.

Actually, I think Ecstasy it pretty cool... *doobe doobe doo*

[Infernity]

Guys, guys, I was kidding gee... no sense of humor anymore...

-Inf.

[bacopa]

Marijuana messes with the brain and s...l...o...w...s everything down I don't like weed for this reason. It also distorts my cognition...if you smoke make sure it's kind bud.

[Live Forever]

if you smoke make sure it's kind bud.

How do you determine the kind bud from the mean bud?

[DJS]

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kind+bud ....which I find interesting. I knew it was a generic term, but wasn't aware that it was spelt "kine"...so I guess according to urban dictionary, I'm ignorant as well.

[DJS]

The Vapor is hot--it still burns the cilia in the lungs and damages the mucosal lining of the throat and lungs. (there is also small bit of smoke, but all this is many times less harmful than straight burning of the Marijuana)

All true, and the quality of the vaporizer would also be a factor. My main point is that using a vaporizer would drastically reduce the ammount of tars and other impurities that come with traditional smoking methods (and are responsible for the increased risk of cancer). Burning of the cilia is certainly not a good thing and it could negatively affect the body's immune response, but in your average health adult I'm not of the opinion that this increased risk would be statistically significant (though I should make clear that I am not expert and there a wide variety of factors that come into play). Everything in moderation I say. If one truly wanted to be hardcore about reducing all risk factors then consuming the occasional sugary treat, having that occasional extra vodka tonic, driving a car, or living in a city with substandard air quality would all be off limits. As long as a person makes the effort to be well informed, deciding what constitutes an acceptable level of risk should be a purely personal decision. I think my position is reasonable, although perhaps others would disagree...

[roidjoe]

Curiosity killed the cat... but at least the cat had fun.

It seems that humans lack an understanding of existence these days - and most problematic of all, the future looks grim. On the other hand - we possess the capability to mold our own existence unlike any generation of the past. What seems inherently obstructive is the lack of population control and the continued evolution of a genome that is in the order of reproduction - which, when contrasted with intelligence - seems to be opposite in nature. Thus, by and by every new generation, though more information is available(however with exponential information also comes exponential misinformation), lacks in the area of great minds. Where do we go from here? When times comes about and we are able to function in a co-existence with engineered machinery (that is directly connected to the mind) - do we give this ability to all? - Naturally, we are to assume only a select few would exist with this technology - and in doing so would use the technology to further the accumulation of power(which seems to be the obvious goal of this technology). Why are we to assume that this type of technology, although many here believe it is of great potential for yourselfers (as immortalists I assume), would not be abused by the richest of the rich and devoid of any place in society? 84 seems obvious.

What we miss out on is the general view that we are all consciousness and without the observer, nothing exists. As in, what we don't realize is that we're all just one energy and when looking into the stars you are looking into yourself and when looking into the eye of a girl - there is something curiously mysterious about it. What is that mystery? Is it the unconscious knowledge that you are looking at yourself, even though the ego fails to acknowledge it? And what is the bond? Is it the coming together of missing selves? And what is the purpose? Is it just of enjoying consciousness? And why do we suffer? To have happiness must we also have suffered?

And why do governments limit the use of certain drugs(even though they have naturally evolved) to the public? And what function have these drugs(psychedelics) had in evolution? - Evolution of tools, language, society, philosophy - everything imaginable. Would we be here without psychedelics? The obvious answer is no. They have a purpose in life - to discover yourself: explore the world, explore the universe, explore yourself.

I'm not sure what happened to the original post.. it seemed to disappear when I went to edit it.

Edited by roidjoe, 17 March 2007 - 09:29 AM.

[DJS]

Well, until you made your edit it didn't appear that your comments were on topic so I moved them. Now that you've pulled it together at the end of your post I've just deleted the moved post/new thread. )

Curiosity killed the cat...

I was waiting for someone to say that!

[DJS]

BTW, your post is still mostly rambling and off topic. In the future try to address the thread topic more directly., as mostly people will read the first two sentence of your posts (when they're written in the manner of the post above) and then skip it.

Would we be here without psychedelics? The obvious answer is no.

You've gotta be kidding me. Are you on psychedelics as well speak? I mean, heck, I'm all for cognitive liberty, but what in the world are you talking about?

[roidjoe]

BTW, your post is still mostly rambling and off topic.  In the future try to address the thread topic more directly., as mostly people will read the first two sentence of your posts (when they're written in the manner of the post above) and then skip it. 



You've gotta be kidding me.  Are you on psychedelics as well speak?  I mean, heck, I'm all for cognitive liberty, but what in the world are you talking about?

Psychedelics were an invaluable tool in the cultural evolution of early hominid man, which, then, magnified the selective pressure of intelligence.

[Aegist]

BTW, your post is still mostly rambling and off topic.  In the future try to address the thread topic more directly., as mostly people will read the first two sentence of your posts (when they're written in the manner of the post above) and then skip it. 



You've gotta be kidding me.  Are you on psychedelics as well speak?  I mean, heck, I'm all for cognitive liberty, but what in the world are you talking about?

Psychedelics were an invaluable tool in the cultural evolution of early hominid man, which, then, magnified the selective pressure of intelligence.

Says one popular yet (as far as I know) entirely unsupported hypothesis...

[DJS]

heh, I had to look that one up. I suppose you learn something new everyday...never been exposed to that meme before.

BTW, I am highly skeptical of such a notion. Where is there concrete evidence provided to support this hypoethesis? Just in keeping an opening mind I'd be interested to see it.

[Live Forever]

Curiosity killed the cat...

...but, satisfaction brought it back.

[Aegist]

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