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[Anthony_Loera]

Hi curious sle,

I believe the 120 caps was on there, but I double checked and did find I was missing a 240 capsule (4 bottle discount) pricing which comes out to about 2.94 per gram of rsv, so I added it as well.

You can do a filter on the "Product" column if you have excel and you should see all 4 different prices.

thanks
Anthony

[curious_sle]

ah ok. :-) well, my main point was the link anyway (the ones on the webversion at least have all the session information so won't work for anyone else then you etc)

[Anthony_Loera]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh.... ok I understand.

sorry, let me make sure its corrected.

[Anthony_Loera]

Ok, I have updated the links. I remind folks to link to this post if you want to save it in your favorites:

First Post

Because when you link directly to the file (such as... RetailPricesM.htm, or the excel sheet...) you may not get the latest prices and maybe looking at an older file. I am changing the name of these once in a while to avoid 'caching' issues that some browsers have. Basically some browsers may not download the latest file with the same name, if it finds it already has a copy of a similar file in the browsers memory.

Anyway, just link back to the first post in this thread, and you should be ok.

thanks
Anthony Loera

[Anthony_Loera]

Pete,

I will check your pricing this weekend when I get a chance, and update the sheet. Seems like you have added some more quantity discounts that I'll need to add to the price sheet.

Personally I have seen some interesting pricing strategies from some folks while looking for some things for my wife. I actually found them quite provocative, and I think they may benefit some of our customers as well. I will be pushing for something similar with my partners and see how they feel about it.


IF they go for it, you may see some good changes in pricing for many of our best RevGenetics products.


So far, I still think the price of 99% powder is still high enough that the average person may not consider it unless they are shown the studies, and find an interest in it that hits home. Do you guys think pricing for 50% powder, or 99% powder continues to be a major factor that prevents the mainstream from considering 500mg or more of rsv a day?

Anthony

[psychenaut]

Hi Anthony,

I did tweak pricing yesterday, adding new, deeper, discount levels in an attempt to make it easier for those interested in an effective resveratrol regimen to afford it. Not trying to start a price war, just attempting to reach out to those serious about a high-dose lifestyle. No doubt, at high doses, it can be expensive.

Looking at the 99% product, it just didn't seem feasible from a customer affordability standpoint to gain 1%.

Maybe I am missing some information, but for a customer to purchase a 50% product seems crazy. Why subject yourself to all that emodin? Besides, when examined as a cost per mg, as you have done in your spreadsheet, it is plain that your business and mine and a few others have made a pure product affordable.

Likely the folks waiting in the wings are awaiting additional evidence of benefits of high dose resveratrol. Having experienced it effects personally, I am sold. I also have blood work done regularly to provide additional reassurance that I am not doing any damage. My last Hepatic Profile and Metabolic Panel was "perfect".

More and more I am liking what I learn about polyphenols in general, and how I feel after regular use of them, that is why I also use our EgCG Green Tea Extract (let's bust some beta amyloid plaques!) and personally believe there is synergy to be had when using multiple phenols (Resveratrol EgCG, Curcumin).

I also know some smart people (not me, I am a business guy, not a chemistry guy) believe the latest evidence is pointing to benefits from "spike" dosing of certain materials (R-lipoic acid, resveratrol). In other words, obtaining a spike in plasma levels to flip some metabolic switches, with benefits accruing even after plasma levels retreat. This is a speculative anecdotal comment, I don't have reference studies.

As everyone knows, the science is ever evolving. We are fortunate to live in a time where it is easily and widely shared.

Maxwatt- thanks for your comments and context you provided. The plate count is a result of the rice flour excipient used to make this a vegetarian product. The 98% resveratrol material is itself sterile.

Pete

[Anthony_Loera]

Pete,

I updated the price list with your quantity discount, it looks good.

Regarding the 99% product, we simply switched over to it and maintain the same pricing we had for the 98% product. I don't think the customer should pay for the 1% difference.

Most of the science really has only studied heart health, cancer, and Alzheimer's. There is current research using our RevGenetics powder. Initial research observations are positive, and we hope to continue to help in the evolution of the resveratrol science.

We are looking to provide free sample to legitimate studies in universities, so if you know of anyone who will be doing some research, send them our way. Price for samples? $0.00 (Now that is a great price!)

(Only legitimate University research professor contacting us, or students working on their dissertation/thesis will qualify for the free samples)

thanks
Anthony

[Brainbox]

Btw, I almost forgot to mention that I made a split of the quality discussion into here.

[suspire]

I think a couple of issues need to be considered in watching the prices for various resveratrol products:

1) Relentless Improvement has a progressive discount for multiple bottles of product in a single order. Moreover, after buying 150 dollars worth of an order, shipping is free(and even if you don't make 150, there is a flat shipping fee that does not increase despite multiple items purchased), dependent on location shipped to. The downside is that the largest(only) dose in a single pill is 300 mg.

2) Longevinex has a somewhat similar discount--when you buy 3 packs, you get the 4th free. Also, they stick with a flat fee for shipping that is lower than Relentless Improvement's, though they don't offer free shipping at higher level purchases. The downside is they only make a 100 mg dose pill and they add their own cocktail to their pills--which may or may not work well.

3) RevGenetics offers the most options and varieties in doseage and purity, which is great. However, they offer neither progressive pricing for larger quantities nor free shipping for higher quantities purchased. In fact, their basic shipping fees were the highest of the three(that I saw) and they actually INCREASED, the higher your price total was. Talk about a serious disincentive for buying more.

I haven't bought from any other suppliers, so I don't know how they compare in the shipping and handling price department, but I actually look quite closely at the S&H prices when I do make a purchase, since consumers often end up paying for so called "discounts" in that area.

Bottom Line: Anthony, you seem like a good guy, but if you're going to try and claim the lowest prices at RevGenetics, you need to change your S&H policy. I think it is counter-intuitive to increase your S&H prices the more a consumer buys from you.

Pete: Offer a 500 mg pill, man! I want to buy from you, but I'd like to see something more than 300 mg, especially since I end up consuming 1.5 grams per day. Yeah, sure, you might have to buy a larger pill than your "standard white pill", but that wouldn't be a bad thing. Right now, all Relentless Improvement pills look exactly the same--standard, white pills and I've actually gotten mixed up at times, when dosing, having forgotten whether the pills I have in hand were from bottle X, Y or Z(I buy a lot of your products and when I dose, there have been times when I couldn't recall whether I took a pill from a specific bottle or not, especially since all the pills look the same!).

Longevinex, err, if you have a rep on here, you seriously need to offer more options for your products. I actually don't mind the combo cocktail you have going with resveratrol, but I know a lot of other consumers do. That said, offering only a 100 mg product no longer cuts it.

*EDIT*: RevGenetics has offered extremely competitive pricing and elimination of S&H for existing customers.

Edited by suspire, 15 August 2007 - 05:05 PM.

[Anthony_Loera]

Suspire,

that was really a great post... and for those customers of ours who received an email from us recently regarding an exclusive offer, it looks like a very relevant post indeed...

For the public at large, RevGenetics has a flat fee for single, and multiple product orders over certain amounts, but if you have ordered from us at anytime in the past 8 months you would have recently gotten an exclusive offer that (among other things...) does away with shipping altogether, (if you haven't because you didn't leave us an email to contact you, let me know!).

For the public at large, we will implement a different offer (that deals only with shipping, and not the other items offered to our customers...) in September.

I think this will help alot, as we have had this change on our minds for a while. Also, this will only apply to customers in the USA.... and as they say in the news...

"You heard it here first."

Seriously though, if you ordered from us previously and have changed your email, let me know and I will forward the offer to you that was made recently. As for as the price list, It would be unfair to add RevGenetics special offers to it as they don't apply to the general public who buys our products for the first time.

thanks
Anthony Loera

Edited by Anthony_Loera, 15 August 2007 - 02:23 PM.

[Anthony_Loera]

Added 2 Biotivia products to list ... but can change/disappear again depending on information from James Betz.

Edited by Mind, 15 August 2007 - 10:23 PM.

[suspire]

Suspire,

that was really a great post... and for those customers of ours who received an email from us recently regarding an exclusive offer, it looks like a very relevant post indeed...

For the public at large, RevGenetics has a flat fee for single, and multiple product orders over certain amounts, but if you have ordered from us at anytime in the past 8 months you would have recently gotten an exclusive offer that (among other things...) does away with shipping altogether, (if you haven't because you didn't leave us an email to contact you, let me know!).

For the public at large, we will implement a different offer (that deals only with shipping, and not the other items offered to our customers...) in September.

I think this will help alot, as we have had this change on our minds for a while. Also, this will only apply to customers in the USA.... and as they say in the news...

"You heard it here first."

Seriously though, if you ordered from us previously and have changed your email, let me know and I will forward the offer to you that was made recently. As for as the price list, It would be unfair to add RevGenetics special offers to it as they don't apply to the general public who buys our products for the first time.

thanks
Anthony Loera

Anthony,

Thanks for the information. I have ordered from you in the past--within the last month or so, actually--but either I didn't leave an email addie, or more likely, your offer got filtered into my spam box by accident. I did try and experiment last night with your website, before I posted, to see if you'd changed to a flat fee S&H system. If you did, I didn't notice it(but I capped out at experimenting with how much you'd charge for about 300 dollars worth of product), but perhaps I didn't try and order enough.

In any case, I'll PM you with my email address--I'd love to get that offer, since I am certainly a large consumer of resveratrol.

Suspire

[suspire]

On the S&H issue, I stand corrected:

After receiving RevGenetics offer, it takes into account both a discount for existing clients as well as elimination of S&H.

[Anthony_Loera]

Hi suspire,
The offer email sends you to a different page in our site, our general orders page has not been modified... also I have resent the original email to you, although you may have noticed the exclusive offer, its not something I can add to the price list as it's not for the general public.

Having said that, let's get back to prices here on this thread, but thanks again for bringing an interesting detail that is not usually mentioned about rsv product prices in this thread. :D

Anthony

[tintinet]

Added 2 Biotivia products to list ... but can change/disappear again depending on James Betz.

Grrr!

I've attempted to email Biotiva with 2 different email addresses listed on their website, and all I get are Mailer-Daemon rejection notices stating no such email domain exists, etc.!

[trance]

Anthony,

Any chance you'll capsulate the 98% powder any time soon?

Trance

[Anthony_Loera]

The X500 Capsules in our website use 99% powder, but the price list also has others with a high percentage as well.

The "quality" field on the excel sheet states the percentage of purity (found on the label or COA of everyone's products.) if you want to compare pricing using that field.

I tried to get percentages for everyone, but some simply were not found.

thanks
Anthony

[Mind]

Remember that this is a "price watch" forum. Please keep your other questions/comments to various suppliers private (email/pm) or we will have to remove them.

[dannov]

Biorev, I know this is off-topic, but why do you insist in capitalizing weird words? You only capitalize at the beginning of a sentence or if you're referring to a name of a person, place, or thing worthy of capitalization. Between that and your "Dear <xxx>" format that is unfit for a forum, and constant baiting of Anthony (and then spamming 3 replies in a row at times, all reiterating the same damned thing), you are coming off as very obnoxious.

So far, Anthony's replies have been nothing but dignified and appropriate for this forum from my perspective.

Let's just compare the two products here, assuming that you are ingesting 2g of Resveratrol a day (the recommended amount from studies is 1.5-2g):

- Family Pack is the best value of the site's options at $310. 600 capsules at 250mg trans (correct me if it's more than 250mg), equates to 150,000 mg, or 150g. At 2g a day, that's 75 days, aka, 2 1/2 months. This breaks down to:

First month - $124
Second month - $124
First 1/2 of Third month - $62

Total: $310 for 2.5 months

Let's look at Rev:

For $150, you get 120 capsules with 500mg of trans-res. At 4 pills a day to get 2g, this bottle will last 30 days. Double the price to $300 to grab another bottle, and we are now up to 2 months. To get to 2 1/2 months, we hypothetically would use half a bottle (or $75). The breakdown:

First month: $150
Second month: $150
First 1/2 of Third month: $75

Total: $375 for 2.5 months

$65 difference, in favor of Bio.

Now, let's compare Bio to Giant Nutrition's Resveratrol Plus (produced by well-noted chemist Patrick Arnold, president/owner of Ergopharm), which comes with 30 capsules per bottle, at 250mg of Trans per, and also has enzyme inhibitors Quercatin and Piperine to assure better bioavailability of the Res. Price per bottle is 20 bucks.

Using BioTivia's above analysis since they both have 250mg trans, you'd have to get 20 bottles to get 600 capsules. 20x20 = $400 to get a supplementation of 2g a day for 2.5 months. Perhaps you pay the $90 more for the Quercatin and Piperine, neither of which the above products boast. The importance of these two enzyme inhibitors can be found here:

http://www.ergopharm...6oxoextreme.php

Resveratrol has a problem though, and it concerns its bioavailability. When you consume resveratrol it is absorbed adequately into the blood stream but after that it is very quickly sulfated and glucuronidated by enzymes. What this means is that it is transformed into inactive derivatives meant for elimination from the body. To get an active quantity of resveratrol into the body you have to overcome this problem. This is done by simultaneously ingesting compounds (quercetin and piperine) that will use up these enzymes preferentially, leaving the resveratrol free to circulate in the body. A large dose must also be taken, as the enzyme blocking will only be partially effective.

Edited by dannov, 17 August 2007 - 02:27 PM.

[Anthony_Loera]

dannov,

I appreciate the break down on our R500 product (but it is not our cheapest) so the comparison is a bit off, hmmm...maybe this should go to the price discussion...

By the way, can you compare the price using our R300 product with 150 capsules? You maybe surprised at the difference in price using the same Family pack pricing.

thanks
Anthony

[Anthony_Loera]

dannov,

check this thread out, and the price list as well:
http://www.imminst.o...&f=6&t=15059&s=

Maybe you can post your comparisons on that thread as it appears to be more appropriate.

thanks
Anthony

[dannov]

Doh, my apologies! Here we go:


RevGenetics R300 - 150 caps at 300mg trans-rev per cap, priced at $84.25 and 45000mg of trans-rev (45g) per bottle. At 2g a day, a bottle will last:

- 23 days (rounding up)

Now, to round out the remaining 7 days, divide $84.25 by 23, and the cost to us is found to be $3.66 per 2g a day.

Multiply the remaining days (7) by $3.66, and you get $25.62. Add that to $84.25, and the monthly total is:

$109.87

Compare to:

$120 at BioRev

Savings: $10.13

Also, since you're short 1 gram in the 23-day period, divide $3.66 by 2 and get $1.83, then subtract this from the savings:

Final savings total: $8.30 over Bio (approx.)

Yearly savings: $100 (approx.)

[biorev]

dannov

Biotivia offers 10 bottles (600 capsules) @ $341 including delivery + 1 bottle free , which makes Biotivia's product more cost effective.

(660 capsules for $341 + free delivery)

http://www.biotivia....ticals_shop.php

Can you provide the bioavailability studies from Ergopharm Resveratrol product to our forum.

Biorev

[biorev]

dannov

Sorry, I feel you have to take all the pain to recalculate again.....

Also add delivery charges to RevGenetics as well as Ergopharm products and calculated for our forum..

[Anthony_Loera]

Added a third biotivia offer (10 bottles or 600 caps) to the list that has better pricing

[Anthony_Loera]

The 10 bottle offer has been added to the price watch list here:

http://www.imminst.o...&f=6&t=15059&s=

Please post price discussions in the Price Watch forum for the benefit of folks.

thanks
A

[Anthony_Loera]

660? My mistake... so its a total of Eleven bottles? ok... let me correct that..

[Anthony_Loera]

I have corrected the excel sheet for a total of (660 capsules) for the offer, let me know if this is incorrect.

[Brainbox]

I did move the price discussion back to this original topic.
I surely hope you do run your companies with more care and accuracy than the way you post into this forum..... )

Edited by brainbox, 17 August 2007 - 04:12 PM.

[Anthony_Loera]

thanks brainbox

A