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[suspire]

I'd like to see someone run some tests on Mega. Well, run some tests on all the major distributors.

[Anthony_Loera]

looking at pricing... I believe we can meet their pricing using our R300 capsules for the 50% product...hmmm

For the megas 99% stuff... the folks who ordered X500 using our special offer recently... already have a lower price so they don't need to change a thing... but for new customers we may have to change stuff around to meet the pricing...

Whew! I'm sure we will start doing some price tweaking this weekend.

Again... kudos to mega, came out of nowhere and blindsided everyone... nice!

[tedsez]

Anthony,

You may have discussed this somewhere in this thread, but if so, I couldn't find it.

In the Web version of your price list, about half the products are noted as having 0 grams of trans-resveratrol.

Is that just because the manufacturers don't list t-res on the label, or do they actually not have any? How can you tell how much t-res these products do include?

[maxwatt]

We have also been contacted recently by what appears to be an american company interested in growing knotweed and producing rsv here at home. We think there is a definite need for this to happen, and we hope this company succeeds in it's efforts.

A

I am actually surprised this hasn't happened already. Knotweed is...just that. A weed. And it grows like wildfire, if I am not mistaken and is already in the U.S. In fact, I think some states are trying to get rid of it, it is such a general nuisance to the environment. I'd imagine it'd be easy as pie to grow the stuff--harvesting resveratrol from it might be trickier, but I don't know much about the process.

It is illegal to plant it in most states. Noxious invasive weed, or some such. I hear the State of Georgia will pay you to remove it from roadsides in the state. Heavy metal contaminants are a problem with extracts from such sources.

[raptor2003]

how about federalabs resveratrol?
they have not quoted their trans-res or emodin content but at usd$300/kg seems pretty cheap

any idea people?

[rwoodin]

I did a google search on 'Japanese knotweed' and most of the links deal with Eradication of the weed. Apparently it is a big problem as an invasive species that crowds out native foliage...There is something comically ironic about this. It's all over the place, grows like crazy and contains chemicals that are really good for you....and everbody is trying their best to get rid of it !!

Here is a couple of representative links....

http://www.nps.gov/p.../fact/pocu1.htm
http://landscaping.a.../a/knotweed.htm

[raptor2003]

pls people stick to the topic

[Anthony_Loera]

Anthony,

You may have discussed this somewhere in this thread, but if so, I couldn't find it.

In the Web version of your price list, about half the products are noted as having 0 grams of trans-resveratrol.

Is that just because the manufacturers don't list t-res on the label, or do they actually not have any? How can you tell how much t-res these products do include?

About the price list field "Trans-Resveratrol" :

When the manufacturers don't list "Trans" on the label or the COA (when the COA is available), it is listed on the price sheet as zero "0".

This is because the FDA label rules are pretty clear regarding contents on the labels, basically anyone not having this designation "trans-resveratrol" amount on the label is assumed not to have it at all in their product, as the FDA would not consider it as well in any investigation. If the FDA wouldn't consider it in a product, we won't either.

If you do find a label has changed that now states this... please let me know, I will update the sheet without a problem.

thanks
Anthony Loera

[rodentman]

I had always stayed away from Res because the price was so high. I think it is now reasonable enough, ( a buck a day)

[raptor2003]

Anthony,

You may have discussed this somewhere in this thread, but if so, I couldn't find it.

In the Web version of your price list, about half the products are noted as having 0 grams of trans-resveratrol.

Is that just because the manufacturers don't list t-res on the label, or do they actually not have any? How can you tell how much t-res these products do include?

About the price list field "Trans-Resveratrol" :

When the manufacturers don't list "Trans" on the label or the COA (when the COA is available), it is listed on the price sheet as zero "0".

This is because the FDA label rules are pretty clear regarding contents on the labels, basically anyone not having this designation "trans-resveratrol" amount on the label is assumed not to have it at all in their product, as the FDA would not consider it as well in any investigation. If the FDA wouldn't consider it in a product, we won't either.

If you do find a label has changed that now states this... please let me know, I will update the sheet without a problem.

thanks
Anthony Loera

so do you think federalabs is zero "0" trans-res? so cheap /kg

[rodentman]

OK, Anthony. I'm ready to order. Do you think you'd be willing to do a price match with Mega?

You can email me if you want as well.

RodentMan

[Anthony_Loera]

so do you think federalabs is zero "0" trans-res? so cheap /kg

I don't know, I checked the website and they don't have a PDF link describing it.

http://federalabs.com/resveratrol.htm

and their price list doesn't give us a hint either...
http://federalabs.com/1kilopricing.htm

I'll add them to the list sometime today.
Anthony Loera

[Anthony_Loera]

Ok, I called Federal Labs... now I'm on hold...

<queue the hold music here...>

ok, the person there answered, and will have someone contact me with more details about the powder. Once I have the detail, I'll post it on the price list.

[Anthony_Loera]

Federal Labs only sells 50% powder, they don't sell 98% or 99% powder.

I have added the 1 kilo pricing to the list.

thanks
Anthony

[maxhealthback]

In regard to Resveratrol pries, particularly pricing of trans-resveratrol I am not surprised that the sites that claim to compare the relative prices of various suppliers invariably leave Biotivia off their list. These "supplier price comparisons" are neither comprehensive nor accurate, in many cases. The numerous posts on this forum offering corrections, and the corrections are always in favor of the competitors brand, not the brand being sold on the site making the comparison, support my observation.

As to trans-resveratrol prices I would like to point out that our Transmax pure trans-resveratrol product comes with a free bottle of Bioforte with each two of Transmax. This brings the price of the kit down from that of $200.00 if one were to purchase the products separately, to $150. for all three bottles purchased as the kit. Consequently our price per mg of Trans-resveratrol is actually only $0.12. even less for total resveratrol content. This is apart from the quality issues I have enumerated in an earlier post which I believe make comparisons purely based upon price a myopic way of evaluating the respective products. For example it is absurd to compare Transmax which is produced in a CGMP facility in a clean room protected from oxygen and UV radiation and packed in Pfizer Vcaps and nitrogen-gas filled bottles with a product that consists of raw unprocessed and unencapsulated bulk powder dumped in a cheap generic bottle.

[Brainbox]

Probably it would be a good idea to ad some details regarding quality control in the list as well? The question might be how to control the quality control... )
If a company cliams to produce in a CGMP facility, how can this be proven? If the C would stand for "Certified" this would be quite easy. But it stands for "Current", so what will it be tomorrow? Or how was the situation yesterday?

There seems to be a lot to prove with this claim. On the other hand I think this is a step the supplement industry should take, voluntary.

[maxhealthback]

A good point. All facilities which enjoy GMP certification are issued a certificate number which may be easily verified. Quality control procedures are set forth in a detailed QC procedures document maintained at the processing facility which, in most countries I am knowledgeable of, is open to regular compliance audits and approval by the Health Ministry or appropriate regulatory agency. Also the European Pharmacopeia Association certifies facilities which meet their QC standards as does their American counterpart. Normally these certifications are required by underwriters as a prerequisite to a company's obtaining product liability insurance. In the US companies sometimes operate without such coverage.

[Anthony_Loera]

Interesting, you are opening this up to chinese GMP as well, which would qualify under your definitions.

But, no modification will be done to the price at this time. The same reason we aren't putting something like "3rd party tested by lab or association for accuracy" on the products... or if a manufacturer uses Pfizer vcaps, or if they have child proof caps, kosher, etc.

It is a price list only... a great starting point for anyone looking for resveratrol.

Anthony

[Anthony_Loera]

thanks for the thread move... brainbox? Good call.

[Brainbox]

Yup. The quality versus quantity dilemma again... [lol]
However, I still think it would be good to add some quality notion into the pricing overview. But I guess it would raise to much controversy at this moment. Like I said before, it would be a very good thing if the supplement industry would opt for a voluntary quality certification. That would be THE way to avoid controversy and unnecessary discussions after the product is being marketed and sold.

[Anthony_Loera]

For now Mega is still the low price leader on the list, we have reviewed the pricing, and find it quite challenging, but starting September first the website prices will change a bit. We were going to do this over the weekend, but the decision was to wait until 09/01.

Of course we will be price matching as much as possible, like we have done for Rodentman earlier. I believe James is price matching as well...

This brings up another question... who else do you guys know that do price matching? And do they price match on resveratrol, or a brand? I think most price matching is done on a brand based on SKU or UPC.

A

[maxhealthback]

Mega is not even a capsule. How could a product such as this be considered comparable to the other products on your list?

I see you have still not posted Biotivia on your list. Given that we guarantee to beat the price for the equivalent product from any supplier it would seem that Biotivia is actually the best price product, by definition.

[dannov]

Mega is not even a capsule. How could a product such as this be considered comparable to the other products on your list?

I see you have still not posted Biotivia on your list. Given that we guarantee to beat the price for the equivalent product from any supplier it would seem that Biotivia is actually the best price product, by definition.

James, check out their main page on megaresveratrol.com. I quote:

Mega Resveratrol-99%   
Yields  99% pure resveratrol extract,   the highest potency available.  Of that 99%, 100% is trans-resveratrol, the preferred form over cis-resveratrol.   A 500mg capsule/serving delivers 495mg of bioactive  trans-resveratrol.  Available in 500mg tablets and in powder form.

Highest Potency Available! Lowest Emodin! Most Economical! High Potency, Low Emodin!    Capsules (MR99T) Powder (MR99P) Capsules (MR98T) Powder (MR98P) Capsules (MR50T) Powder (MR50P) Powders

There are a lot of mentions of capsules there, plus pictures on the site. While it is great that you guys are willing to match and beat competitors, the price list can only reflect the listed prices on the sites of those who sell Resveratrol.

I have also seen Biotivia on the list.

[Anthony_Loera]

biotivia is around 20th on the list... its been there for a while now.

So far these 3 companies do price matching on rsv and not on brand or SKU (please correct me if I am wrong James):

Biotivia
Megaresveratrol
RevGenetics

What does this do for the consumer? They can check other things regarding these companies, and not rely on price alone...

Thanks
Anthony Loera

Edited by Anthony_Loera, 30 August 2007 - 07:53 PM.

[maxhealthback]

Thanks. My information was obviously dated.

[bentl]

About the price list field "Trans-Resveratrol" :

When the manufacturers don't list "Trans" on the label or the COA (when the COA is available), it is listed on the price sheet as zero "0".
Anthony Loera

Hi Anthony,

I noticed that the Mega products are all listed with 0's in the Trans column. It says "Trans" on their web site and also on the COA's that they have posted there.

Thanks for putting together the price sheet!

[Anthony_Loera]

It's my understanding that the COA's on the certification page would need to state:

"NLT Trans-Resveratrol" rather than "NLT Resveratrol" as I have seen certs with this difference in the past.
I also have not seen a label for their product. If you have a link to the label that states "trans-resveratrol" I will definitely correct the price sheet.

thanks
Anthony

[doronrapp]

To: Anthony Loera,
Revgenetics

This is a reply to numerous articles you posted on various boards, and a chart posted on your site, which includes false information about our company.

"Supplements Facts" are posted on our site and clearly state the amount of Trans-Resveratrol.

http://www.megaresve...om/capsule.html
http://www.megaresve...com/powder.html

Although Our products are as advertised, and our certifications are sufficient as-is, future Lab Certifications will include the wording "Trans-Resveratrol".
Our posting of Lab Certifications are not required by law, and are done on a voluntarily bases. Have you posted Lab Certification on your site before rushing to "put down" the competitors?

Publishing false information could make you liable for monetary damages.

PLEASE REMOVE OUR COMPANY FROM YOUR CHART LIST OR CORRECT THE INFORMATION!


Doron,
Mega Resveratrol

[Anthony_Loera]

Woah... Doron..

I thought we we friends. I have even asked people to go to your site in my posts. I suppose things have changed now. If things get back on track between you and I then please let me know if you want to do some business regarding powder and lab testing. As for the questions about the chart...

I haven't seen a label of your product, but if it contains the same supplemental facts that are printed on the site, I have no problem changing the list.

For now, I will take your items off of the list until we can clear it up. I presume you mean the excel sheet when you say 'chart' as I don't have any other list I have put you on.

Let me know when I can see the label, or check out the COA with the new wording.

thanks
Anthony

[Anthony_Loera]

Ok Doron,

You are off the list. At one point, you were completely taking the lead in low prices on the list. I think competition is great for all of us, so let me know if you want to be back on the list.

I think it helps everyone here out if you were back on, so just email a label or something.

thanks
Anthony