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[zoolander]

The days are not getting any slower for me. I'm starting to feel the heat somewhat and am looking to add a quality green superfood powder to my regime that I can mix into a glass of juice every morning

I'll give you an idea of what I am talking about



Jarrow Green Defence

What are peoples thoughts/experiances/recommendations?

[ajnast4r]

green magma, end of story
http://greenfoods.com/

[zoolander]

have a look at the comparisons bewteen the green Magma and Green Defense nutritional lables

Green Magma


Green Defense

[Shepard]

I've used Green Defense and New Chapter's Berry Green. I'd probably say Berry Green is the better stand-alone, but Jarrow Green Defense + Berry High would be superior.

Edit: My wording was just bad.

Edited by shepard, 24 August 2007 - 02:01 AM.

[suspire]

I use Garden of Life's Perfect Food Super Green Formula. Can't say it is any better or worse than any other formula, since it's the only one I'm familiar with.

[sogazelle]

I've used Green Vibrance. It's excellent and gluten free. It supports the 4 foundations of health: nutrition, digestion, circulation and immunity.

[PWAIN]

I put in a vote for Miracle Greens. You can look them up on iherb:

http://www.iherb.com...1&pid=7386&at=0

I currently use Miracle Reds and am considering adding this. The main issue for me at the moment is cost.



Supplement Facts
Serving Size: About 1 Tbsp. (9.4 g)
Servings per Container: About 90
Amount Per Serving % DV
Calories 50
Total Fat 1 g 2.5%
Saturated Fat 0 g 0%
Cholesterol 0 mg 0%
Sodium 51 mg 1.88%
Potassium 28 mg 0.75%
Total Carbohydrate 6 g 2.5%
Dietary Fiber 2 g 7.52%
Sugars 1 g *
Protein 3 g 5%
Vitamin C Complex 400 mg 667%
Calcium 40 mg 4%
Iron 1.5 mg 8.4%
Nutrient Rich Super Foods
Certified Organic Barley Grass Juice Powder 1200 mg *
Certified Organic Spirulina Powder 600 mg *
Chlorella-Cracked Cell 200 mg *
Spinach Powder with Octacosanol, Triaconsanol, Hexacosanol, Tetracosanol Proprietary Blend 85 mg *
Non-Dairy Probiotic Cultures Min. Organisms (At MFG) 8.5 Billion Units
Lactobacillus Rhamnosus *
Lactobacillus Acidophilus and Bulgaricus *
Bifidobacterium Longum and Breve *
Antioxidants
Vitamin E (Natural d-Alpha Tocopheryl Succinate) 100 IU 334%
Grape Seed (95% Proanthocyanidins) 30 mg *
Ginkgo Biloba (24% Ginkgo Flavoglycosides 6% Terpene Lactones) 10 mg *
>Antioxidant Proprietary Blend 1280 mg
Acerola Berry Juice Powder (natural source of Vitamin C) *
Bioflavonoids (Citrus) *
Silymarin (Milk Thistle 80% Extract) *
Green Tea (60% Polyphenols, 40% Catechins) *
Rutin *
Adaptogenic and Metabolic Herbs Proprietary Blend 1690 mg
Red Raspberry Powder *
Parsley Juice Powder *
Ginger Powder (Freeze Dried) *
Horsetail Stem Powder *
Royal Jelly (5% 10-HDA) *
Licorice Root Powder *
Eleuthero Root Extract *
Suma (Pfaffia Paniculata) *
Astragulus Membranicus *
Damiana *
Echinacea Augustifolia (Extract 5% Echinacoside) 35 mg *
Natural Fibers Proprietary Blend 1933 mg
Lecithin Powder 99% Oil Free (Non-GMO) *
Apple Pectin *
Apple Fiber *
Certified Organic Flax Seed Meal *
Harmonizing and Support Herbs Proprietary Blend 1170 mg
Yucca Juice Powder *
Watercress Juice Powder *
Carrot Juice Powder *
Certified Organic Beet Juice Powder *
Nova Scotia Dulse *
Cactus Powder *
Aloe Vera (Freeze Dried) 450 mg *
Natural Plant Enzymes 200 mg *
Protease, Lipase, Amylase and Cellulase
Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.
*Daily Value not established.

Other Ingredients


Stevia.

No fillers or animal testing. No sugar added and low-glycemic. No artificial colors, preservatives or ingredients. Taste may change depending on harvesting season.

[ajnast4r]

have a look at the comparisons bewteen the green Magma and Green Defense nutritional lables

consuming sub-clinical amounts of common herbal extracts interests me not...

green magma is a produced in a way that other barley grass supps are not, which preserves a considerable amount of the nutrients..
its also high in a unique antioxidant called 2"-O-glycosylisovitexin.

its unique

[zoolander]

ajnast4r what clinic are we talking about here? The local herbalist? The last time I looked at the science related to chlorophyllin I'm sure that they used, at minimum, 10x the amount of chlorophyllin found in Green Magma. Green Magma is not exactly forth coming with the exact amount of most of their greens anyway so what's to say that most of their compounds are not at "sub-clinical" levels?

Secondly, what's the difference between a unique anti-oxidant compared with a non-unique anti-oxidant? Companies selling items they claim to be "unique" just come accross as inferior to me because they work to sell their products through their uniqueness as opposed to their strengths.

[ajnast4r]

ajnast4r what clinic are we talking about here? The local herbalist? The last time I looked at the science related to chlorophyllin I'm sure that they used, at minimum, 10x the amount of chlorophyllin found in Green Magma. Green Magma is not exactly forth coming with the exact amount of most of their greens anyway so what's to say that most of their compounds are not at "sub-clinical" levels?

there is no chlorophyllin in green magma. nor the chlorophyll the most beneficial compound in it.
regular green magma only has barley grass and an excipient, so most of the bulk weight is barley grass juice.

standard doses of GM seem to be effective for numerous things. so that would imply its not a sub-clinical dose.

Secondly, what's the difference between a unique anti-oxidant compared with a non-unique anti-oxidant?

a chemical that would have other benefits, outside of its antioxidant activity

Companies selling items they claim to be "unique" just come accross as inferior to me because they work to sell their products through their uniqueness as opposed to their strengths.

thats horrible logic.

[Brainbox]

I'm using a Dutch green powder product. It's convenient for me since I can buy this stuff at a shop just around the corner. It has some ingredients for which I did not do sufficient research, but anyway....
What worries me is the relatively high level of iron content because of the algae, so I don't take it every day and in moderate amounts.

From the label translated to English:

serving size 10gr.

organic barley grass 4352mg
vegetable and fruit complex 926 mg
spirulina 700mg
chlorella 300mg
apple pectine (fibre) 661mg
organic wheat grass 661mg
acacia 661mg
inulin 661mg
calcium 361mg
natural flavor premix 300mg
high orac berry complex containing wild blue berry, grape seed, raspberry, cranberry, plum, cherry, bilberry, 200mg
acerola 50% vit C 159 mg
lactospore ™ (probioticum) 79 mg
digizyme ™ (enzyme complex) 53 mg
green tea extract 40% 26mg

green magma is a produced in a way that other barley grass supps are not, which preserves a considerable amount of the nutrients

what is special about this process? could you provide any references?

[eternaltraveler]

how bout matcha?

[krillin]

ajnast4r what clinic are we talking about here? The local herbalist? The last time I looked at the science related to chlorophyllin I'm sure that they used, at minimum, 10x the amount of chlorophyllin found in Green Magma. Green Magma is not exactly forth coming with the exact amount of most of their greens anyway so what's to say that most of their compounds are not at "sub-clinical" levels?

I think he was dissing the inconsequential doses of things in the "botanicals" section of the Green Defense label. Green Magma is not guilty of this kind of label padding.

[ajnast4r]

I think he was dissing the inconsequential doses of things in the "botanicals" section of the Green Defense label. Green Magma is not guilty of this kind of label padding.

yea that

[zoolander]

I'll see how I go with the green defense.

standard doses of GM seem to be effective for numerous things. so that would imply its not a sub-clinical dose.

Is that your personal experiance? If we are using the word clinical then I'm assuming that there are clinical studies that have been conducted with Green Magma or are you making an assumption here?

a chemical that would have other benefits, outside of its antioxidant activity

then why wouldn't they "sell" these benefits. I believe that they are suggesting that it's uniqueness (2"-O-glucosylisovitexin) is somehow a better or more effective antioxidant or special in some way. They don't mention how it might be unique do they? It's not uncommon for a supplement to try and sell it's product through it's uniqueness or by using a unique/abstract compound

Z Naturforsch [C]. 2003 Jan-Feb;58(1-2):53-6.Links
    The mis-identification of the major antioxidant flavonoids in young barley (Hordeum vulgare) leaves.
    Markham KR, Mitchell KA.

    Industrial Research Ltd., P. O. Box 31310, Lower Hutt, New Zealand. k.markham@irl.cri.nz

    Several papers have appeared in the literature since 1992 which refer to a major "isoflavonoid" antioxidant in young green barley leaves (Hordeum vulgare) as 2''-O-glucosylisovitexin. In the present paper the original NMR data supporting this structural assignment are examined and found to have been misinterpreted. HPLC and NMR data are used to prove that the major flavonoid antioxidants in young green barley leaves are in fact the flavone-C-glycosides, saponarin and lutonarin.

    PMID: 12622226 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

anyhow.....

Zoolander:Companies selling items they claim to be "unique" just come accross as inferior to me because they work to sell their products through their uniqueness as opposed to their strengths.


Ajnastr4: thats horrible logic.

that's marketing for you. Well that's my experiance of marketing.

It seems as though Green Magma are selling 2''-O-glucosylisovitexin as the active antioxidant in their compound because it's not well know. The more than likely active antioxidant in Green magma though is superoxide dismutase (SOD). This is a fairly common antioxidant that's found in quite a few supplements on the market today. Now if Green magma sold their product as being effective because of SOD then it would no longer be unique would it and hence be just another super food supplement.

The effectiveness, in a clinical environment, of green magma the product is unknown. Hence, all it has to demonstrate it's effectiveness are testimonials and studies looking at components found in Green Magma. The same applies to Green Defense.

AJ, I expected to get a reply to this topic from you because your supplement regime contains alot of botanicals. I looked forward to your response as info on botanticals supps from you is usually good advice. This situation however was more of a testimonial. I was looking for something a little more solid than just a testimonial in this situation.

[zoolander]

Elrond,

Matcha is great stuff. I find mixing matcha with 100% raw organic cacao powder in a 50:50 mix gives it a nice vanilla chocolate taste. I mix this into my pre-cooled steel cut oats

[ajnast4r]

I'll see how I go with the green defense.

its not a bad choice, dont get me wrong. check out barleans greens too... actually tastes decent.

Is that your personal experiance?

yes. ive been using it for a long time, and in the 3 or so years ive been selling these things ive seen more green magma sold, and more repeat customers on it than any other greens.

If we are using the word clinical then I'm assuming that there are clinical studies that have been conducted with Green Magma or are you making an assumption here?

its been years since i dug deep to figure out the barley grass stuff... i know research exists on it, but im not gonna spend time digging it up for the sake of argument

AJ, I expected to get a reply to this topic from you because your supplement regime contains alot of botanicals. I looked forward to your response as info on botanticals supps from you is usually good advice. This situation however was more of a testimonial. I was looking for something a little more solid than just a testimonial in this situation.

god i haven't updated that regimen in ages! i probably should soon

like i said above, i did my fair share of research on it back when i was trying to choose a greens powder. i was convinced enough through my research, word of mouth, and eventually through what i experienced with it (vs others i had tried) that it was the best choice.

i probably could if i invested the effort, post enough solid info to convince you also....but honestly i dont have the time these days, so all i can offer you is my opinions

[zoolander]

Thanks for the input anyway matey

[ajnast4r]

Thanks for the input anyway matey

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[nameless]

How do any of these green drinks taste? I've tried Berry Green before, and to be honest, to me, it tasted rather disgusting. I tried adding juices, cinnamon... whatever... but it never ended up tasting remotely good.

I've heard the Earth's Promise green drinks taste better than others, but I haven't tried it yet. I imagine it also has less nutritional content.

[zoolander]

The taste is something that I don't think that I am ready for.

My girl friend Natalie makes a green juice every morning. The juice contains cos lettuce, spinach, fresh tumeric, fresh ginger, parsley, silverbeet and skinless cucumber. I tried it once when she use to make it with Kale and almost threw up.

I will most likely mix the green powder in with some grapefruit juice.

[Shepard]

How do any of these green drinks taste? I've tried Berry Green before, and to be honest, to me, it tasted rather disgusting. I tried adding juices, cinnamon... whatever... but it never ended up tasting remotely good.

All the ones I've tried taste horrible. The only real way I found was to either mix them in a shake with many other things or just dump the powder in the back of my throat and drink a lot of liquid with it.

[ajnast4r]

green magma tastes like pond scum, jarrow green defense tastes like sweetened pond scum, barleans greens is the most tolerable one ive tasted. most of them are pretty horrible...a little extra stevia masks most of the nastiness usually.

i mix it into a shake in the morning (oats, whey, fruit, etc) and i cant taste it at all...

[eternaltraveler]

green magma tastes like pond scum, jarrow green defense tastes like sweetened pond scum, barleans greens is the most tolerable one ive tasted. most of them are pretty horrible...a little extra stevia masks most of the nastiness usually.

i mix it into a shake in the morning (oats, whey, fruit, etc) and i cant taste it at all...

I think I'll stick with matcha. Might try it with cacao in oatmeal as zoolander suggests. That sounds good.

[nameless]

Has anyone tried the Earth's Promise (kiwi/strawberry) drink, and is it even worthwhile from a nutritional standpoint?

http://www.enzy.com/...&partcode=03524

I've been considering it, since I've read user reviews that state it tastes better than other greens. I'd feel better if someone here has tasted it and could report on the taste though, as user reviews on various sites might not always be actual consumers, if you know what I mean.

Costco currently has this at a reasonable price, which is another reason I'm considering it.

I realize other green drinks may be better for you, but I'd prefer not torturing myself everyday trying to force the stuff down. Berry Green was semi-bearable, but it was basically like drinking green sludge. With added juice, it ended up being terrible grape/green sludge.

[health_nutty]

I just add fresh kale and a bit of broccoli to my blueberry smoothie smoothie. I'm crazy like that.

[ajnast4r]

Has anyone tried the Earth's Promise (kiwi/strawberry) drink, and is it even worthwhile from a nutritional standpoint?

http://www.enzy.com/...&partcode=03524

I've been considering it, since I've read user reviews that state it tastes better than other greens. I'd feel better if someone here has tasted it and could report on the taste though, as user reviews on various sites might not always be actual consumers, if you know what I mean.

.

its not bad, i totally forgot about that one... its SUPER sweetened. the peppermint is gross. the strawberry kiwi isnt bad. ive never had any of the other flavors though

[kenj]

I second the suggestions of "masking" the taste with other ingredients: I use a scoop of Miracle Greens and a tablespoon of New Chapter's Berry Green product in a bowl of unsweetened oatmilk. Also eggwhite protein, cocoa powder, freeze-dried acai powder, and other things. Duke originally inspired me to mix "a" healthy, great tasting "superfood" blend for breakfast.

For additional fireworks I top with a handful of blueberries, strawberries, walnuts, almonds, oats, coconut oil, cinnamon, 1/4 banana, dark chocolate (Lindt), pomegranate juice; this is very fulfilling, -- FWIW, the first mornings following I would whistle on my way to work!

Hey, I'd eat this for christmas. Perhaps swapping the pom juice For a christmas brew.

[zoolander]

Ok I've received my delivery and have tried both.

I have tried the folllowing

Green Defense + 250 ml Apple (90%), Lemon (5%) & Lime juice (5%)
verdict: It's bareable. It's unusual taste but not that unusual/bad that I have to chug. It's ok to sip

Berry High + 250ml Grapefruit juice
verdict: This is ok as well although it is very tart (from the berry high mix) and bitter (from the grapefruit). I'm thinking that the tartness in the berry high mix would easily be cancelled out in a milk based shake or in oats. Something creamy.

I did try green defense in a shake that I made.
Shake=
-250ml Soy milk + 100 ml Apple juice
-50-60 g frozen Blueberries
-5-10 g organic 100% raw Cacao powder
- 1 scoop of Jarrow Vanilla Whey

verdict: couldn't even taste the Green Defense. It just tasted like a Chocberry shake

[Gerald W. Gaston]

Raised from the dead to see if you guys have changed up your greens.

The sale of "Delicious BERRY Greens 8000", reviewed in the first link below, is still on (second link):

http://www.naturalnews.com/023242.html

http://www.nokomisnu...al.aspx#DescDiv


I realize there are probably better formulation in as far as nutritional content alone... but if it tastes complete nasty I won't drink it so what is the point... just ordered and will update on the taste, etc.

Edited by frankbuzin, 19 May 2008 - 10:51 PM.