Should imminst try to save the world's oldest man?
#91
Posted 10 October 2007 - 12:28 AM
#92
Posted 10 October 2007 - 01:03 AM
Thanks bgwowk!The caveats to all this are that ice nucleation (formation of embryonic ice crystals on the molecular scale) can still proceed rapidly until ten or twenty degrees below the glass transition temperature, and not everything inside a living thing will necessarily have the same glass transition temperature.
#93
Posted 10 October 2007 - 02:53 AM
#94
Posted 11 October 2007 - 02:48 AM
If Tomoji Tanabe says publicly he wants cryonics, plus personally pays for a non-trivial % of the cost then I think ImmInst should match that % up to $5,000 US.
I had been operating on the suggestion that ImmInst would be contributing $15,000 to $20,000. If ImmInst will be contributing no more than $5,000, and if even that is contingent upon an equal contribution by Tomoji Tanabe, I don't think there is much chance that this project will succeed in raising the necessary money (even assuming Mr. Tanabe is interested). Judging by the size of the gift he was given by his native city, I don't think that he has much money.
I am estimating that the total amount required for this project should be just under $35,000. In addition to the $28,000 Option One cost of cryopreservation, there is the Option One Membership fee itself which is $1,250. And the $28,000 does not cover the expenses of a funeral director in Japan, plus shipping expenses from Japan to Michigan.
#95
Posted 11 October 2007 - 05:42 AM
Thanks, Shannon!
#96
Posted 11 October 2007 - 06:01 AM
Even so, I don't think you should give yourself away right away completely. What can go wrong if you merely point out that fundraising aid *may* be possible, and gauge his level of interest from the response? If he's interested at all, he is not going to ignore that.
#97
Posted 14 October 2007 - 12:44 PM
I know an Alcor member in Japan if that's any help.
#98
Posted 15 October 2007 - 02:20 AM
The letter I wrote, is being edited down, because the Japanese CI member is not very good with English, but at this point CI has obligated themselves as going in half with what ImmInst donates.
I've not thought that Alcor would be interested in doing this, but can check... I'll email some Q's and get back to y 'all
#99
Posted 15 October 2007 - 02:38 AM
What a fascinating discussion this is. However, whatever this guy may have said to the media, let's face it, the chances that he would be interested in cryonics at all, let alone interested enough to be willing to move to the US for his last year(s) so as to allow a high-quality preservation, are infinitesimal...
That was my interpretation of his 'declaration'. I've heard many people say that they want to live forever, but when approached with any strategies of extending their lifespan to any degree they turn them down. Approaching him can't hurt; I just wouldn't get my hopes up that he'll accept the offer.
Moving such an old man to the States would also be a huge hassle, but if it can give this idea and this science the publicity it needs (on the humanitarian side of matters) the fiasco generated would be wholly worth it.
#100
Posted 16 October 2007 - 11:23 AM
If Tomoji Tanabe says publicly he wants cryonics, plus personally pays for a non-trivial % of the cost then I think ImmInst should match that % up to $5,000 US.
I had been operating on the suggestion that ImmInst would be contributing $15,000 to $20,000. If ImmInst will be contributing no more than $5,000, and if even that is contingent upon an equal contribution by Tomoji Tanabe, I don't think there is much chance that this project will succeed in raising the necessary money (even assuming Mr. Tanabe is interested). Judging by the size of the gift he was given by his native city, I don't think that he has much money.
I am estimating that the total amount required for this project should be just under $35,000. In addition to the $28,000 Option One cost of cryopreservation, there is the Option One Membership fee itself which is $1,250. And the $28,000 does not cover the expenses of a funeral director in Japan, plus shipping expenses from Japan to Michigan.
I think it's reasonable for imminst to contribute 15-20 K.
We first need to hear from Mr. Tanabe on his interest before we can hold any kind of vote on the specific contribution. Some directors think it's too much, others might be willing to contribute more.
It's unlikely he'll go for it, but if he does we'll find a way to make it happen.
#101
Posted 16 October 2007 - 09:27 PM
My letter may not be needed at all, it would be great if the two crynicists there, or one of them can make the offer on behalf of ImmInst and Cryonics Institute. That would get into AP articles, and we could tie in with our own web presences as well.
#102
Posted 17 October 2007 - 01:27 PM
"I talked to a friend in the TV business.
They will get another opinion once they talk to a producer next week
but
their opinion was that people won't be interested in watching the old
guy because he is not a celebrity.
Also they are skeptical you will be able to convince him to do cryonics
and if you managed to then you'll have to deal with his family. They
may
be against it, or they may say since you're experimenting with him then
pay us.
The best thing would be for a japanese to show up and talk to him - a
foreigner showing up at his house would just be too unexpected.
That said, if cryonics organizations want to enter the japanese market
the tv people could perhaps organize a show based on celebrities being
asked to get 'frozen'.
Japan has a burial policy for bodies but if that could be overcome the
advantages could be
- very high pro-capita income
- very high percentage of elderly people
- mostly non-religious
- open minded towards new technologies
#103
Posted 11 November 2007 - 04:42 AM
Many ImmInst members do support the research of better preservation of mammals and revival techniques by donating to the research that Alcor and Cryonics Institute. You can check this technical blog done by scientists working at Alcor:
http://depressedmeta....wordpress.com/
This blog has its own domain name now:
http://www.depressedmetabolism.com
#104
Posted 22 April 2008 - 11:38 PM
Well even at 35,000 to 40,000 the costs are way less than other cryonics options out there, and I think the amount of publicity would be well worth it for ImmInst and CI. Currently Aubrey put me in touch with the Japanese Alcor member, who speaks English and Japanese very well and has some connections with T.V. studios. He is contacting some people to see about having the offer be filmed--he say this would have a higher likely hood of being accepted by the family--or even just seen by the family at all. Mr. Tanabe will be getting a lot of letters, as old active people in Japan are celebrities and receive a lot of letters and would more likely open one from a T.V. station rather than an individual. So, after the 20th of this month we'll be hearing more, and I'll update. The Alcor Japanese member is in China right now, and when he gets back to Japan on the 20th he is going to have a phone brainstorming session with the CI Japanese member.
My letter may not be needed at all, it would be great if the two crynicists there, or one of them can make the offer on behalf of ImmInst and Cryonics Institute. That would get into AP articles, and we could tie in with our own web presences as well.
I have not heard any more about this subject since Shannon offered to contact
the world's oldest man in October. Has anything been done or accomplished in
terms of contacting him? Shannon, where did you get with this?
Just to make sure that Tomoji Tanabe is still alive, I checked the Wikipedia entry
for him:
http://en.wikipedia....i/Tomoji_Tanabe
I should think that if he had died the Wikipedia entry would make note of it.
In June 2007 he was described as "extremely healthy" and there have been
no updates about that either.
-- Ben Best
#105
Posted 23 April 2008 - 05:37 AM
#106
Posted 23 April 2008 - 11:30 PM
- The individual wishes to be cryonically preserved
- The family are supportive
- Arrangements can be made to allow for a high quality preservation
- We can secure sufficient media coverage
Thanks for keeping us updated Shannon, a well drafted letter that answers all the questions that could be asked is probably the most we can do at the moment.
#107
Posted 24 April 2008 - 09:34 AM
#108
Posted 05 May 2008 - 10:44 PM
#109
Posted 06 May 2008 - 03:22 AM
#110
Posted 06 May 2008 - 06:36 AM
#111
Posted 06 May 2008 - 06:40 AM
The Alcor member in Japan that Aubrey put me in touch with, did talk to a Television Producer he knows through his work--about his idea. The two Japanese people, the CI member and the Alcor member both thought an in person offer would have a much better chance of success than a letter (which is considered quite informal, and would likely be discarded along with all the other mail Mr. Tanabe would be getting). The Alcor member said the producer was not interested, I'm not sure how much it was shopped around--but that is where this issue was left. Alcor has a PR company, but would not employ them to offer free preservation for the world's oldest man, they were not interested in doing that when I'd asked before. I can try to send the letter, like I said--but I doubt it will have any effect.
Well, that sucks. Of course on the flip side the media could have portrayed the whole offering as Alcor's attempt to manipulate an old man for press. How about they contact someone we know wants to be cryopreserved for the future? Like when I heard about Madonna's cryo plans!
#112
Posted 06 May 2008 - 09:37 AM
#113
Posted 06 May 2008 - 11:36 AM
#114
Posted 18 September 2008 - 10:43 PM
I have not heard any more about this subject since Shannon offered to contact
the world's oldest man in October. Has anything been done or accomplished in
terms of contacting him? Shannon, where did you get with this?
Just to make sure that Tomoji Tanabe is still alive, I checked the Wikipedia entry
for him:
http://en.wikipedia....i/Tomoji_Tanabe
The world's oldest man is in the news again because he has had another birthday.
The Associated Press article says that he has downgraded his expectations
from not wanting to die (as he said a year ago http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/7000487.stm )
to only wanting to live another five years:
http://ap.google.com...9fOmygD939AGU80
But the Reuters article says that he wants to live another
ten years, adding (inconsistently) that he doesn't want to die:
http://www.reuters.c...T25714020080918
#115
Posted 19 June 2009 - 07:18 PM
#116
Posted 24 July 2009 - 02:10 AM
http://www.greatfall...EWS01/907230303
#117
Posted 28 March 2010 - 01:22 AM
We should find another supercentenarian who wishes to live forever. I think we should really do something like this, it will be great positive publicity for Imminst!
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