104 replies to this topic

[hamishm00]

Yes, so you ensure you have EPA (and DHA) intake.

EPA converts into DHA to the extent you need it, and studies seem to indicate a high an EPA content as possible in fish oil is better for the mind.

[theta]

I know high purity DHA is being produce by growing select strains of algea. I assume when someone developed a strain that can produce
high yields of EPA we will see high purity EPA in the market place at
reasonable cost. Plus it would allow the scalable production of a low contamination, vegetarian EPA/DHA blends.

[ortcloud]

I only settle for pure EPA.

www.mind1st.co.uk

Then why are your capsules contanimated with 100 mg Borage oil?

Good point, if you want pure EPA only, check this out.


http://www.iherb.com...5057314996&at=0

[hamishm00]

Still not heavy metal free, and also contains omega 6 fats, so really it's an inferior product.

The Borage oil is pretty good stuff. Not a 'good point' in my book.

[ortcloud]

32mg of omega 6 doesnt qualify as having any meaningful content. It is naturally occurring and lower than other fish oils. I am not even sure why they listed it, maybe to show how low the content is.

Also, why do you say this is not heavy metal free ?

Borage oil is good stuff but the person wanted a pure epa product and the product had gla added and someone called him on it. Therefore it is a good point. The goal here for the poster was attaining the purest epa product. So the addition of anything else despite it being good for you is counter to the goal.

So your point that the addition of borage is ok since it is "pretty good stuff" is in fact a bad point.

[hamishm00]

The product you listed is pharmaceutical grade. There are still heavy metals in it. the mind1st stuff is molecularly distilled - i.e. it is clinical grade.

I doubt it makes that much difference in terms of contamination, but it's an advantage.

I take your point on the GLA.

[ortcloud]

Actually the process they use is better than molecular distillation. It is a new low heat CO2 extraction technique so the oils dont get damaged. I found this on their site of why it is better than molecular distillation.



EFP* CO2 Distillation versus Molecular Distillation

Instead of using molecular distillation where fish oils are repeatedly raised in temperature to 200 °c (390 °F), Minami Uses an exclusive EFP* cO2 distillation process to concentrate Omega-3 fatty acids at a temperature of 35-50 °c (95 °F to 120 °F). This means that ~400% less heat is used as well as NO hexane. This reduces the chance that Omega-3 fatty acids are destroyed as well as no risk of trans fats. Under pressure and at low temperature, cO2 (gas chromatography) acts as a “fat-loving” solvent that pulls out the Omega-3 fatty acids from the fish oil. This hexane-free extraction is innovative as it removes the 2 essential fatty acids, EPA and DhA, without altering their quality and maintaining their chemical integrity as essential dietary fats in the body.

These Omega-3 fatty acids are then ready to be delivered to the body through supplementation and bolster health in their purest state, without pollutants.

http://www.minami-nu.../omega3/efp.php

[eternaltraveler]

does anyone know what "molecular distillation" even means? (other than being a marketing hype term for some kind of distillation under vacuum)

[scriptease]

I just thought I'd post a recommendation for Fisol by Nature's Way. It has an enteric coating that doesn't dissolve until it gets to your small intestine so NO FISHY BURPS! 150 mg EPA and 100 mg DHA per capsule. Here's a link to the best price I've found - $16.26 for a bottle of 180.

http://www.vitacost....Coated-Fish-Oil

[theta]

does anyone know what "molecular distillation" even means? (other than being a marketing hype term for some kind of distillation under vacuum)

Yeah its high vaccume distillation.

http://www.myers-vacuum.com/mv1.shtml

Low cost per pound and high throughput feed rates may be obtained on groups of compounds which include vitamins, epoxy resins, highly concentrated pure fatty acids, plasticizers, fatty acid nitrogen compounds, and a host of other heat sensitive materials which may require only deoderizing and decolorizing.

Low cost per pound but they still jackthe prices up.

[hamishm00]

interesting stuff, thanks!

[hamishm00]

Low cost per pound but they still jackthe prices up. 

But the mind1st stuff is under £10 for me here in the UK, 60 x 500mg EPA, as opposed to £30 for the minami pure EPA 60 x 500mg.

I.e. it's a third of the price (mollecular / vacuum distillation vs Co2 distillation).

[keatah]

Yeh, fish oil is just great for a little extra endurance, I needed to take 1-2grams of epa to see some effect. You don't notice the effect yourself, you can only compare how well you do at one time vs. another.

[ortcloud]

Low cost per pound but they still jackthe prices up. 

But the mind1st stuff is under £10 for me here in the UK, 60 x 500mg EPA, as opposed to £30 for the minami pure EPA 60 x 500mg.

I.e. it's a third of the price (mollecular / vacuum distillation vs Co2 distillation).

You are paying for 60 X 300mg. epa not 500mg. epa. So it isnt a third of the price as you are making it look ilke. It is more like half.
Besides your original post made it out like your goal is that you will only settle for pure epa. Making a concession on price for a less
concentrated product is settling.

[hamishm00]

You are right, I am wrong. How does that sound?