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[Truthspeaker]

To all members:

Obviously, you are all thinkers, so you are asking the question which has plagued man since the beginning. Your answer is in the Bible. For God, for whom it is impossible to lie, has promised this life everlasting. He is speaking about here on earth. I was once like you guys wondering about the meaning of life, but I found it. Think of this logically: if Adam and Eve never would have eaten of the forbidden fruit, for how long would they have lived. For all of you true geniuses, think hard! Answer: forever! For the righteous will inherit the earth and reside forever upon it. Their names will be written in the book of life, and authority wil be given to them to go to the tree of life. Another genius level question: Would it be fair for God to put the idea of immortality or living forever into our minds, and then, not give us the opportunity to fulfill this idea? Truly that would not be a God I would want! But, He has given us the opportunity to have immortality. Remember, and admit it, He has always existed, He created everything, He already knows everything, He wants you to live forever. You need to read your Bible to get to know God before Armageddon. May God Bless Everyone Reading This.

[eternaltraveler]

Not another one...

[Cyberbrain]

Great ... another religious fundamentalist.

This time I'm just going to node my head in agreement hoping they will see their fallacy.

Yes, God created the Earth in 6000 years.
Yes Adam and Eve were real.
Yes heaven is real and with an infinite amount of chocolate.
Yes God has a plan to make us all immortal.
Yes the Earth will be destroyed by a six headed monster.
Yes God loves everyone equally and passionately (except the children which he kills every year from horrible diseases and the people he sends to hell which should be about all of humanity).
Yes Jesus was real and was some how his own father even though there are no historical documentation of him.

And yes the Bible is REAL and TRUE about everything because GOD wrote it, published it and systematically distributed it around the world ... Science, logic, and reasoning are all sin! Praise Jesus!

[platypus]

Seek help.

[Live Forever]

Seek help.

Immediately

[amar]

From what I understand, Jehova doesn't want humans to attain immortality. He forbade that we ever eat of the tree of immortality again once Adam and Eve were banished from paradise. There is always Heaven with Jesus, but you're supposed to die to go there. It's not a worldly paradise. Just a faith that the spirit world won't be Hell if you are a faithful slave of God. Contrary to popular opinion, the God of the bible also doesn't seem to love people very much. Jesus might at least forgive us our humanness, but Jehova, his original creator, is the God of wrath. I have read through the bible, and it is filled with some of the most vile atrocities committed by God, who is supposedly all good. It always amazes me when so many people believe that God is ultimate goodness then use the bible as a reference. Check out www.evilbible.com for a clearer picture of what this supposedly omnibenevolent deity has blessed the world with. Now we've got Armageddon and apocalypse prophesied, which aren't supposed to be happy fun time forever ahead, but rather the ending of the whole beautiful world. Thanks a million, Christian crusaders! Maybe Jesus will forgive you, or maybe just leave you to rot in the Hell you've been foisting onto the world.

[Shannon Vyff]

PM Elijah for tips on how to deal with ImmInst members from a fundamentalist standpoint and how to best 'save them'.

http://www.imminst.o...file-m3788.html

[Richard Leis]

Hello, Truthspeaker. Welcome to ImmInst! I hope you enjoy reading about the latest technology and science breakthroughs, as well as participating in the continuing discussion about what this progress means for humanity and the potential for unlimited lifespans. Through the hard work and creativity of men, women, and other gender identities, we just might get there soon!

[JediMasterLucia]

To all members:

long story

May God Bless Everyone Reading This.

there is nothing wrong with science,
You forget that God give us humans our brains to invent technology to extend/ save human lifes (my opinion )

[Shannon Vyff]

Religion fought against the 'new world view' that Earth was round and not flat--right now it is accepting evolution (the Catholic church already has) someday it will be accepting that our respective views of God, allowed us to end aging, or have cryonics succeed--travel to the stars--create A.G.I. etc....

[Cyberbrain]

Btw, welcome to Imminst Truthspeaker! I hope you'll find the prospect of transhumanism, immortalism and science as enlightening as we do

Sorry for being a bit aggressive in my first post ... I didn't have any coffee. The problem of religion is that it's very naive and if one was to analyze it on a very deep ontological and epistemological level (as well on a metaphysical, scientific and historical level) you'll see that the rabbit hole goes very deep and that the Bible seems just plain silly. But if it makes you happy to be religious and as long as you're not hurting anyone or abstracting the advance of science, thats cool.

Edited by Kostas, 17 January 2008 - 08:50 PM.

[maestro949]

Now we've got Armageddon and apocalypse prophesied, which aren't supposed to be happy fun time forever ahead, but rather the ending of the whole beautiful world.

Ooh, another religious troll warning us about our impending doom! Oh no!

Edited by maestro949, 17 January 2008 - 10:00 PM.

[forever freedom]

*Smiles*. I really see it as comedy now, so it's all good; i didn't completely waste my time reading this thread

Edited by sam988, 17 January 2008 - 10:57 PM.

[platypus]

I just hope people were not subjected to religious indoctrination before they're 18 or 21. So many young minds are spoiled with preposterous BS, even today..

[william7]

Pay no attention to the infidels truthspeaker. They'll need to come to truth of the Scriptures if they want immortality.

For the righteous will inherit the earth and reside forever upon it.

From this statement, I take it you don't believe man goes to heaven or hell when he dies?

[Liquidus]

Your answer is in the Bible.

But I've been told the answers are in this book:

What proof do you have that legitimizes your document over the one mentioned above?

[william7]

PM Elijah for tips on how to deal with ImmInst members from a fundamentalist standpoint and how to best 'save them'.

http://www.imminst.o...file-m3788.html

I'll always point them to Christian Communism as the way to immortality.

[cyborgdreamer]

Think of this logically: if Adam and Eve never would have eaten of the forbidden fruit, for how long would they have lived. For all of you true geniuses, think hard! Answer: forever!

But why couldn't God make them immortal even after they ate the fruit? Why shouldn't humanity have the knowledge of good and evil?

[Shannon Vyff]

I'm not sure if Truthspeaker is coming back, probably taking the truth from forum to forum. I'd do that for ImmInst, but I'm afraid it would be just as effective as this popping in was.

[Live Forever]

Through the hard work and creativity of men, women, and other gender identities, we just might get there soon!

Oh jeez, give me a break.

You don't think we will? (or just not "soon"?)

[Aegist]

Typical.
1. Christian fundamentalist finds soapbox - Spouts rhetoric
2. Christan fundamentalist leaves, never to be seen again.

Thank you for wasting all of our time.

[william7]

Oh jeez, give me a break.

I hear you buddy!

[basho]

I have a cunning plan

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Shut up Baldrick

[william7]

But why couldn't God make them immortal even after they ate the fruit? Why shouldn't humanity have the knowledge of good and evil?

Since it appears that truthspeaker doesn't plan to enlighten us any further, I'll try to answer your question to the best of my ability.

I believe it's because of Their (God and His heavenly servants) advanced stage of moral and technological development that permits them the ability to possess the knowledge of good and evil and use it only for good. Had we humans been able to develop Godly character in the Garden of Eden knowing only good and not evil we could have been spared a lot of pain in the developmental process and attained immortality much more quickly.

We now have the problem where God must keep our lifespans shortened because we can become too evil, too quickly and be super destructive even a threat to God Himself perhaps. Notice the Tower of Babel incident where God was forced to slow down man's technological development. Genesis 11:1-9.

So now we have to learn to control our sinful desires which lead to death and master the Godly way of life so we can again eat from the tree of life and live forever. The more quickly we master this process the more quickly we gain immortality.

[william7]

I'm not sure if Truthspeaker is coming back, probably taking the truth from forum to forum. I'd do that for ImmInst, but I'm afraid it would be just as effective as this popping in was.

Typical.
1. Christian fundamentalist finds soapbox - Spouts rhetoric
2. Christan fundamentalist leaves, never to be seen again.

Thank you for wasting all of our time.

I agree. Truthspeaker should stick around for awhile and enlighten us further.

[william7]

Why would an omnipotent posthuman being even care whether someone out there "believes" in him or not?

He wants to teach us how to become immortals, but because it has to be done just right and within His time frame not ours, nobody understands Him and the difficult task He's trying to accomplish.

[Shannon Vyff]

We have our own 'truthspeakers'

[Cyberbrain]

I think we scared Truthspeaker away.