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[Cyberbrain]

Mandated health insurance or your fined?

Wait is this true? Everyone must have it or they'll get fined?

[niner]

Quick, somebody call Hell and ask them if it's snowing.

[missminni]

Mandated health insurance or your fined?

Wait is this true? Everyone must have it or they'll get fined?

Yes. That was the distinction between her health plan and his. His allowed for a family not
to have it and the government would still cover the children in that family. She said that would translate into 900 million dollars
of taxpayers money being wasted. I say better to waste the money on health care for children of disadvantaged families than
the many other less honorable ways it seems to get wasted anyway. And she was the one who kept reiterating it. I am so glad she
did. I never got that distinction before.

[Cyberbrain]

Quick, somebody call Hell and ask them if it's snowing.

[missminni]

Quick, somebody call Hell and ask them if it's snowing.

LOL I know. They say the devils in the details. That was the detail.
ETA~I wrote to her too. I was so pissed.

Edited by missminni, 22 February 2008 - 04:38 AM.

[biknut]

Just watched the debate and believe it or not, I have had a change of heart.
Hillary's universal health care freaked me out. Mandated health insurance or your fined? What? I think not.
This is toooo much government for me. I don't have health insurance because I rarely
go to doctors, rarely use medicine, and when I do, I can pay for it myself. I think Health Insurance is one of the biggest scams going contributing
to inflated hospital costs, unnecessary pharmaceuticals prescribed arbitrarily and often unnecessary surgeries. Uh Uh.
That should be a persons choice, not a legal requirement. Obama's health care program was much more palatable. Yes, there should be
affordable health care available for those who want it. Not legally required for those who don't. I thought Hillary did alright in the
debate, but that one point stuck like a fish bone in my throat. I couldn't get past it. Obama, on the other hand, making that distinction
about health care, made me reconsider my position.

missminni, now you're starting to see. I started this thread months ago.

http://www.imminst.o...;hl=hillarycare

[biknut]

Hillary is in Dallas this morning. Her rally is barely getting any air time unlike Obama's rally yesterday that packed over 17,000 people into Reunion Arena. Her rally in contrast is outdoors in dreary weather, kind of like her campaign. So far the brief mentions I've seen on TV made no mention at all about how many people showed up, but from the looks of it not many. All the shots are close up ups of small crowds. The media has spent equal or more time talking about a Dallas motorcycle cop that wrecked his motorcycle in her motorcade.

Yesterday coverage of Obama was much more impressive. They even made a big deal about the applause he got when he blew his nose. Hillary can't catch a break.

Now they're on TV again saying the Motorcycle Cop has died.

[biknut]

Every channel keeps breaking in with news about the motorcycle officer that died, but the only mention Hillary is getting is that he was escorting her motorcade. there's almost no mention of her rally at all.

There she is. She's on channel 11 saying she's heart sick about the accident. Now she's making a speech about how great the police are.

Edited by biknut, 22 February 2008 - 04:34 PM.

[dannov]

Universal healthcare in a capitalistic society? What?

Do explain how $57 trillion in debt (combining national and domestic debt) at an ever-increasing rate will allow our bankrupt country to have universal healthcare...

We need to go back to the days when rates were negotiated between doctor and patient, without any corporate or government involvement in the middle.

[niner]

Universal healthcare in a capitalistic society? What?

Do explain how $57 trillion in debt (combining national and domestic debt) at an ever-increasing rate will allow our bankrupt country to have universal healthcare...

We need to go back to the days when rates were negotiated between doctor and patient, without any corporate or government involvement in the middle.

You mean like paying with chickens?

[Lazarus Long]

You mean like paying with chickens?

With the current confluence of inflation, a weak domestic economy and rapidly dwindling value for the dollar those chickens could be better than cash soon.

Maybe we can use them to trade for oil too since it appears that OPEC is talking seriously of abandoning the dollar standard.

[spaceistheplace]

Hillary is appearing on the Daily Show tonight. This cannot be good for Obama right before this crucial primary.

[Shannon Vyff]

Yeah, I'm in TX, I get to vote tomorrow for Hillary! I like them both, I just like many of her plans better--and her connections, but I'll be voting for whichever will be on the Democratic ticket. I'm sure I'll get to vote for Obama sometime, either this election or in a future one.

[Luna]

Obama looks like a hollow puppet to me.

[biknut]

I just voted. When I walked in they ask me if I wanted to vote Democrat (American Communist Party) or Republican. I had to ask that if I vote Republican does that mean I can't vote for any Democrats? I was told if I want to vote for a Democrat I have to vote in the Democrat primary on suprisingly the right side of the room. Because I wanted to vore for Obama this was the first time I voted in the Democrat primary. Obama was the only vote I cast.


Hellary is probably going to get screwed in Texas because I'm pretty sure I'm not the only Republican crossing lines to basically vote against her, and I doubt any Republicans will vote for her. Even though I gave up my chance to vote for Republican candidates it doesn't matter that much because we already know that McCain will be the Republican nominee in the national election.

Tonight I can go back and vote for Obama again in the caucuses..

[missminni]

I just voted. When I walked in they ask me if I wanted to vote Democrat (American Communist Party) or Republican. I had to ask that if I vote Republican does that mean I can't vote for any Democrats? I was told if I want to vote for a Democrat I have to vote in the Democrat primary on suprisingly the right side of the room. Because I wanted to vore for Obama this was the first time I voted in the Democrat primary. Obama was the only vote I cast.


Hellary is probably going to get screwed in Texas because I'm pretty sure I'm not the only Republican crossing lines to basically vote against her, and I doubt any Republicans will vote for her. Even though I gave up my chance to vote for Republican candidates it doesn't matter that much because we already know that McCain will be the Republican nominee in the national election.

Tonight I can go back and vote for Obama again in the caucuses..

You're a registered Republican who was permitted to vote for Obama and you can vote again in the caucuses? Does that mean you are now suddenly a registered democrat, or became one just so you can vote against Hillary? This is hardly fair and only goes to prove my original point - Republicans want Obama to win because they know McCain will beat him. You're really for McCain, right? When it comes time to vote for Obama or McCain, who will you vote for? Honestly.

[biknut]

You're a registered Republican who was permitted to vote for Obama and you can vote again in the caucuses? Does that mean you are now suddenly a registered democrat, or became one just so you can vote against Hillary? This is hardly fair and only goes to prove my original point - Republicans want Obama to win because they know McCain will beat him. You're really for McCain, right? When it comes time to vote for Obama or McCain, who will you vote for? Honestly.

missminni, On my voter registration card it doesn't specify Dem or Rep. At the voting precinct they just ask me which primary I wanted to vote in. I assume they weren't going to let me vote in both. Since I wanted to vote for Obama, I had to vote in the Democrat primary, a first for me.

Actually the right wing talking heads are recommending Republicans vote for Hillary, because polls show McCain beating her, but McCain loosing to Obama. I think Obama will beat McCain. I really think Obama is the best choice for several reasons.

[missminni]

You're a registered Republican who was permitted to vote for Obama and you can vote again in the caucuses? Does that mean you are now suddenly a registered democrat, or became one just so you can vote against Hillary? This is hardly fair and only goes to prove my original point - Republicans want Obama to win because they know McCain will beat him. You're really for McCain, right? When it comes time to vote for Obama or McCain, who will you vote for? Honestly.

missminni, On my voter registration card it doesn't specify Dem or Rep. At the voting precinct they just ask me which primary I wanted to vote in. I assume they weren't going to let me vote in both. Since I wanted to vote for Obama, I had to vote in the Democrat primary, a first for me.

Actually the right wing talking heads are recommending Republicans vote for Hillary, because polls show McCain beating her, but McCain loosing to Obama. I think Obama will beat McCain. I really think Obama is the best choice for several reasons.

So you are actually going to vote for Obama when he runs against McCain in the presidential election?

[biknut]

So you are actually going to vote for Obama when he runs against McCain in the presidential election?

Yes, what I'd really like to see is a Republican controlled House and Senate, with Obama as president. My plan is to vote straight Republican party ticket, and Obama. That way I only
have to fill in two ovals on the ballot.

[missminni]

So you are actually going to vote for Obama when he runs against McCain in the presidential election?

Yes, what I'd really like to see is a Republican controlled House and Senate, with Obama as president. My plan is to vote straight Republican party ticket, and Obama. That way I only
have to fill in two ovals on the ballot.

Aside from only having to fill in two ovals, why? Why would you vote like that? To what purpose?

[biknut]

So you are actually going to vote for Obama when he runs against McCain in the presidential election?

Yes, what I'd really like to see is a Republican controlled House and Senate, with Obama as president. My plan is to vote straight Republican party ticket, and Obama. That way I only
have to fill in two ovals on the ballot.

Aside from only having to fill in two ovals, why? Why would you vote like that? To what purpose?

Normally we do pretty good with a divided government. You liked the Clinton years didn't you. That's what we had them for most of his time. Most of what Clinton passed were Republican initiatives.

The only thing he got on his own was crap like gays in the military, and restricting peoples access to public lands, and adding extra federal tax on gasoline.

I think Obama would work with Republicans and hopefully Republicans would work with him. Hillary would probably try to do the same thing, but it won't be as easy for her because most of the Republicans hate her stinkin guts to hell.

[Cyberbrain]

McCain just won the GOP nomination

[missminni]

Normally we do pretty good with a divided government. You liked the Clinton years didn't you. That's what we had them for most of his time. Most of what Clinton passed were Republican initiatives.

The only thing he got on his own was crap like gays in the military, and restricting peoples access to public lands, and adding extra federal tax on gasoline.

I think Obama would work with Republicans and hopefully Republicans would work with him. Hillary would probably try to do the same thing, but it won't be as easy for her because most of the Republicans hate her stinkin guts to hell.

Well evidently your personal hatred of Hillary, which to me reeks of misogyny and negates any valid issue you might have if you have any at all, wasn't shared by your fellow Texans, or the people of Ohio or Rhode Island. Hating somebody's "stinkin guts to hell" is not only an unbelievably ignorant statement to make about somebody you don't even know, but it says more about who you are than anything about who she is.

[missminni]

Barak and Michelle looked like they were dressed
for a funeral when he spoke in Texas last night after Hillary's victory. All in black
and very somber. His speech was less than inspired or maybe he wasn't prepared
to lose and didn't have his inspirational losers speech ready. He doesn't
seem to improvise well.
The events of this past week revealed that inability and I think people noticed.
Like my very astute 42 yr old master carpenter, dreadlocks no less, from Grenada says:
Obama is a puppet whose strings are pulled by men that couldn't become president
and who don't want to see a woman, especially a Clinton woman, achieve what they couldn't.
He believes it's misogyny and jealousy that drives them. My 92 year old father says exactly the same thing.
They both believe it's gender bias and Clinton envy and that Obama is nothing more than a cult of personality.
We shall see.
It certainly isn't over till the fat lady sings, and unless Biknut is a fat lady, it ain't over.

[biknut]

Barak and Michelle looked like they were dressed
for a funeral when he spoke in Texas last night after Hillary's victory. All in black
and very somber. His speech was less than inspired or maybe he wasn't prepared
to lose and didn't have his inspirational losers speech ready. He doesn't
seem to improvise well.
The events of this past week revealed that inability and I think people noticed.
Like my very astute 42 yr old master carpenter, dreadlocks no less, from Grenada says:
Obama is a puppet whose strings are pulled by men that couldn't become president
and who don't want to see a woman, especially a Clinton woman, achieve what they couldn't.
He believes it's misogyny and jealousy that drives them. My 92 year old father says exactly the same thing.
They both believe it's gender bias and Clinton envy and that Obama is nothing more than a cult of personality.
We shall see.
It certainly isn't over till the fat lady sings, and unless Biknut is a fat lady, it ain't over.

HaHA you funny, and I'm not all that fat, really. In my precinct last night they said it was a record turn out for the caucus. 57 people showed up. 21 for Obama and 36 for Clinton. In my precinct 40% of the registered voters are Hispanic. It was my observation that on the Clinton side of the room were Hispanics and old people. On the Obama side were younger people, and blacks. I was odd man out being older than the young people and white, not to mention not even a Democrat. It ended up that Clinton won 7 delegates and Obama won 5.

[missminni]

HaHA you funny, and I'm not all that fat, really. In my precinct last night they said it was a record turn out for the caucus. 57 people showed up. 21 for Obama and 36 for Clinton. In my precinct 40% of the registered voters are Hispanic. It was my observation that on the Clinton side of the room were Hispanics and old people. On the Obama side were younger people, and blacks. I was odd man out being older than the young people and white, not to mention not even a Democrat. It ended up that Clinton won 7 delegates and Obama won 5.

Thanks for the report. That seems to be the breakdown across the board. Young people who
are naively moved by words like hope and change, and blacks who are voting race, which is only too human. I don't think that
is necessarily the majority of voters and now that Hillary is making a comeback, I wouldn't be surprised if more people align
themselves with her. Most people just want to be on the winning team. It's pathetic. As for you, Bikenut, you are either
one of a kind, or an underground movement to stop Hillary by any means possible. I hope you are one of a kind.

[niner]

HaHA you funny, and I'm not all that fat, really. In my precinct last night they said it was a record turn out for the caucus. 57 people showed up. 21 for Obama and 36 for Clinton. In my precinct 40% of the registered voters are Hispanic. It was my observation that on the Clinton side of the room were Hispanics and old people. On the Obama side were younger people, and blacks. I was odd man out being older than the young people and white, not to mention not even a Democrat. It ended up that Clinton won 7 delegates and Obama won 5.

Thanks for the report. That seems to be the breakdown across the board. Young people who
are naively moved by words like hope and change, and blacks who are voting race, which is only too human. I don't think that
is necessarily the majority of voters and now that Hillary is making a comeback, I wouldn't be surprised if more people align
themselves with her. Most people just want to be on the winning team. It's pathetic. As for you, Bikenut, you are either
one of a kind, or an underground movement to stop Hillary by any means possible. I hope you are one of a kind.

Missminni, when they made biknut, they threw away the mold.

[spaceistheplace]

and blacks who are voting race, which is only too human.

Most Hillary supporters I've come across are women. I ask them a simple question about her policies and they're clueless. Voting gender, which is only too human.

[biknut]

Obama's assasination would be music to my ears. It would make me have pride in America again. I pray for it to happen every day.

Damn man, I hate hellary, but even if she somehow became the next president it's no big deal. In the end any president can only get so much done, and that's usually not that much. No reason to get crazy.

[gashinshotan]

Obama's assasination would be music to my ears. It would make me have pride in America again. I pray for it to happen every day.

Damn man, I hate hellary, but even if she somehow became the next president it's no big deal. In the end any president can only get so much done, and that's usually not that much. No reason to get crazy.

I can get crazy if America is getting crazy. The guy's a pied piper with no evidence of leadership and weak nationalism. He'll negotiation with terrorists and rely on his african speaking skills to seduce America. The states that matter, NY, Texas, Florida, Ca are the sanest and can't be seduced by someone they barely know and who has NO governing experience at all.