Pycnogenol and Verbal Fluency
Alpha-Frequency 07 Jun 2008
Recently I bought a bottle of pycnogenol after reading of it's numerous benefits. After taking it, I noticed an IMMEDIATE increase in verbal fluency, mood, cognition and processing speed. I have never found any official reports of this substance acting as a bonafide Nootropic, however my own personal experience has confirmed that it does indeed enhance the (my) mind.
I am curious if anyone here has had similar results with this product. It says it's derived from a pine tree. I only paid $7 for it at a health food store.
Thanks guys.
mentatpsi 09 Jun 2008
Hello,
Recently I bought a bottle of pycnogenol after reading of it's numerous benefits. After taking it, I noticed an IMMEDIATE increase in verbal fluency, mood, cognition and processing speed. I have never found any official reports of this substance acting as a bonafide Nootropic, however my own personal experience has confirmed that it does indeed enhance the (my) mind.
I am curious if anyone here has had similar results with this product. It says it's derived from a pine tree. I only paid $7 for it at a health food store.
Thanks guys.
how much did you take of it?
Athanasios 09 Jun 2008
A. Placebo
or
B. Not a pine bark pill.
Edited by cnorwood, 09 June 2008 - 12:33 AM.
mikeinnaples 09 Jun 2008
dumbdumb 10 Jun 2008
Alpha-Frequency 11 Jun 2008
Shepard 11 Jun 2008
Eur Child Adolesc Psychiatry. 2006 Sep;15(6):329-35. Epub 2006 May 13.
Treatment of ADHD with French maritime pine bark extract, Pycnogenol.
Trebatická J, Kopasová S, Hradecná Z, Cinovský K, Skodácek I, Suba J, Muchová J, Zitnanová I, Waczulíková I, Rohdewald P, Duracková Z.
Dept. of Child Psychiatry, Child University Hospital, Faculty of Medicine, Comenius University, Limbová 1, 833 40 Bratislava, Slovakia.
Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) is the most common psychiatric disorder in children. Pycnogenol, an extract from the bark of the French maritime pine, consisting of phenolic acids, catechin, taxifolin and procyanidins, has shown improvement of ADHD in case reports and in an open study. Aim of the present study was to evaluate the effect of Pycnogenol on ADHD symptoms. Sixty-one children were supplemented with 1 mg/kg/day Pycnogenol or placebo over a period of 4 weeks in a randomised, placebo-controlled, doubleblind study. Patients were examined at start of trial, 1 month after treatment and 1 month after end of treatment period by standard questionnaires: CAP (Child Attention Problems) teacher rating scale, Conner's Teacher Rating Scale (CTRS), the Conner's Parent Rating Scale (CPRS) and a modified Wechsler Intelligence Scale for children. Results show that 1-month Pycnogenol administration caused a significant reduction of hyperactivity, improves attention and visual-motoric coordination and concentration of children with ADHD. In the placebo group no positive effects were found. One month after termination of Pycnogenol administration a relapse of symptoms was noted. Our results point to an option to use Pycnogenol as a natural supplement to relieve ADHD symptoms of children.
PMID: 16699814 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
dumbdumb 11 Jun 2008
mikeinnaples 11 Jun 2008
I don't think I understand you. You're saying that because he took pycnogenol, had sugar cravings, and consumed sugary foods, that he got a sugar rush, which resulted in his perceived nootropic effects?
Yeah I dont think you understand me. I am not saying he had a sugar high.
What I am saying is that if it does infact affect glucose as some studies state .....think about how tinkering with glucose levels can have a nootropic/perceived nootropic effect.
nameless 11 Jun 2008
Alpha-Frequency 12 Jun 2008
As for the stuff I got, it was in the discount bin at a local health food store, orange bottle, company name called "NOW". 30 mg per tablet.
I'm buying more.
VampIyer 12 Jun 2008
Eur Child Adolesc Psychiatry. 2006 Sep;15(6):329-35. Epub 2006 May 13.
Treatment of ADHD with French maritime pine bark extract, Pycnogenol.
Trebatická J, Kopasová S, Hradecná Z, Cinovský K, Skodácek I, Suba J, Muchová J, Zitnanová I, Waczulíková I, Rohdewald P, Duracková Z.
Dept. of Child Psychiatry, Child University Hospital, Faculty of Medicine, Comenius University, Limbová 1, 833 40 Bratislava, Slovakia.
Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) is the most common psychiatric disorder in children. Pycnogenol, an extract from the bark of the French maritime pine, consisting of phenolic acids, catechin, taxifolin and procyanidins, has shown improvement of ADHD in case reports and in an open study. Aim of the present study was to evaluate the effect of Pycnogenol on ADHD symptoms. Sixty-one children were supplemented with 1 mg/kg/day Pycnogenol or placebo over a period of 4 weeks in a randomised, placebo-controlled, doubleblind study. Patients were examined at start of trial, 1 month after treatment and 1 month after end of treatment period by standard questionnaires: CAP (Child Attention Problems) teacher rating scale, Conner's Teacher Rating Scale (CTRS), the Conner's Parent Rating Scale (CPRS) and a modified Wechsler Intelligence Scale for children. Results show that 1-month Pycnogenol administration caused a significant reduction of hyperactivity, improves attention and visual-motoric coordination and concentration of children with ADHD. In the placebo group no positive effects were found. One month after termination of Pycnogenol administration a relapse of symptoms was noted. Our results point to an option to use Pycnogenol as a natural supplement to relieve ADHD symptoms of children.
PMID: 16699814 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Shepard, are you implying that Alpha-Frequency has ADHD?
...well at least I thought it was funny
I was actually thinking about experimenting with a slightly higher dose of pycnogenol (or something similar) at the right times.
mikeinnaples 12 Jun 2008
What I find the most interesting here isn't the supposed benefit, but the fact he got a bottle of Pycnogenol for $7. Low dose? Pine bark and not branded Pycnogenol? A bottle of 60 capsules, 100 mg, costs me $30, and that's pretty much the cheapest I've seen anywhere.
BAC sells generic pine bark cheap, not sure if it has desired effects though.
http://www.easycart....dants.html#2051
healthnewbie 13 Jun 2008
Also, can people post where they get their pycnogenol from. It would be good to have a cost comparison and even perhaps a chart like resveratrol
mikeinnaples 13 Jun 2008
Is it possible to get accurate information on chemical composition from BAC on it? i would like to know how much pycnogenol is actually present in it.
Also, can people post where they get their pycnogenol from. It would be good to have a cost comparison and even perhaps a chart like resveratrol
BAC is a 90% PCO extract. Pycnogenol is a patented brand name. Whether or not the two come from the same tree with the same properties .....I don't know.
healthnewbie 13 Jun 2008
Is pycnogenol something that you get if you process pine bark extract in certain way? This is all confusing.
mentatpsi 15 Jun 2008
mentatpsi 18 Jun 2008
Anyone have a monograph on this guy?
abelard lindsay 19 Jun 2008
abelard lindsay 20 Jun 2008
Followup, Second day taking this the same sense of touch improvements were noticeable.I bought some and tried it. Only interesting effect was that my sense of touch seemed noticeably more sensitive.
mentatpsi 23 Jun 2008
luminous 24 Jun 2008
New Study: Pycnogenol® Improves Memory in Elderly
http://www.reuters.c...008 PRN20080317
'..."The antioxidant Pycnogenol® had beneficial
cognitive and biochemical effects for elderly individuals. Participants in the
Pycnogenol® groups showed improvement relative to the controls with the
effects becoming evident from the second to third months of the Pycnogenol®
treatment."'
mentatpsi 24 Jun 2008
Not to imply that Alpha-Frequency is old...
New Study: Pycnogenol® Improves Memory in Elderly
http://www.reuters.c...008 PRN20080317'..."The antioxidant Pycnogenol® had beneficial
cognitive and biochemical effects for elderly individuals. Participants in the
Pycnogenol® groups showed improvement relative to the controls with the
effects becoming evident from the second to third months of the Pycnogenol®
treatment."'
wow awesome find... in an effort to find what brand that was i found this page filled with numerous findings on pycnogenol:
http://www.pycnogeno...rch_library.php
for the full pdf:
http://www.pycnogeno...HY V 071024.pdf
guy1985 30 Dec 2008
NDM 30 Dec 2008
i have the same effect as the original poster here when i tried it 3 years ago. didn't know if it is placebo but it is too expensive for me to maintance it.
What caught my eye is:
1. there are two guys corroborating the same anecdotal info - re: nootropic effect
2. there are theoretical grounds to infer a nootropic effect (the ADHD study; similarity to grape seed, etc)
3. it is quite expensive, BUT
4. the putative effect is immediate (but maybe works only for certain types of guys)
Conclusion: it could be used only in situations of high cognitive demand (exam, job interview, lecture, writing a paper), thus saving money (I apply the same policy to SAMe).
Other ideas/qualifications/successes/failures?