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[Cyberbrain]

Seeing something like this would actually make me vote for Obama despite being a conservative.

Is that Palin in the photo? Damn, this ought to drive Peta insane.

[biknut]

I have no faith that either candidate will significantly cut my taxes. Bushes tax cut gave me about $1000 a year. That's not much but at least he did follow through on a campaign promise. Experience has taught me that most campaign promises never come to pass. Clinton promised to cut taxes too, but after elected he changed his story and said now that he's looked at the books there's no money to cut taxes. Overall Obama is going to raise taxes. You might not care because he says only on the rich, but it will be everyone. He wants to raise capital gains tax. That's not just rich people, that's me. I got a whopping $1400 oil royalty's last year. He'll take more of it. It's very hard to make money in the stock market, he'll take more. Obama also wants to raise the SS tax. It's not just Obama. Democrats in general want to raise taxes. The reason they say only on the rich, is because how far do you think they would get if they said everyone.

McCain's tax plan is probably more truthful. We're not going to get much relief and he knows it. At least he's not trying as hard to trick us, It's his style to make tough decisions even if they go against his party. Obama has never gone against his party.

I like the idea of a flat consumption tax. Even just closing loopholes in the present tax code that mainly only rich people can afford to take advantage of. The tax rates on high end earners is already high enough, just make sure they pay it. After that if there's not enough money, how about cutting spending?

Edited by biknut, 02 September 2008 - 02:23 PM.

[biknut]

This media storm over Sara Palin, the same media that 65% of the American people think is left biased, is going to unwittingly help McCain. Everything right now is about Palin and McCain. The only way Obama gets mention is by saying stop being mean to Palin.

I've was already thinking along the lines of this story.

New Palin details may help, not hurt

"So far — and it is hard to tell what the future may hold for Palin’s unexpected national candidacy — the travails of the Palin family probably seem awfully familiar to many average Americans. It is this averageness that makes her such a politically promising running mate for John McCain — and such a dangerous opponent for Democrats. Many voters will find it easy to identify with her family’s struggles — a significant advantage in an election where the voting calculus is so unusually and intensely personal.

Democrats Barack Obama and Joe Biden hardly come from blue-blood backgrounds; Biden, now famously, is an Irish-Catholic son of Scranton, Pa., and Obama was raised by a single mother. But the fact that Palin, even as a governor, remains grounded in a recognizable American lifestyle — warts and all — has not gone unnoticed among Republicans, as the first wave of opposition research has been unloaded on her.

“Authenticity is the most important characteristic for someone seeking public office,” said Nick Ayers, executive director of the Republican Governors Association. “Any news that comes out about her is not going to hurt her because it reinforces the point that she is authentically one of us.”


"Unlike running mates from both parties, dating back decades, the Palin family isn't part of the moneyed elite or the governing class. Neither wife nor husband is the scion of a well-connected family. Sarah Palin attended a state school, and her brushes with the law are of the same nettlesome kind that drive recreational fishermen crazy in all 50 states."

"Even the governor’s own Trooper-gate scandal, in which Palin is alleged to have exerted undue pressure to fire a state trooper, is suffused with an element that many families can identify with: one sister stepping in on behalf of another in an acrimonious dispute with a brother-in-law.

Powerful media organizations are beginning to pour resources into this story, so much more damaging twists and turns may await. But assuming the accusations don’t grow more serious, it is of a considerably different nature as an abuse of power than the last Trooper-gate scandal to rock the political world — the one in which Bill Clinton was alleged to use his state troopers in Arkansas to procure women as sex partners. That wouldn’t excuse Palin’s actions, of course, but it would frame them in such a way that could limit the political damage."

http://www.politico....0908/13062.html

[inawe]

http://www.dailykos....8477/878/581881
This cannot be, the liberals made it up somehow.
But wait a minute. Youtube has actually




As we repeatedly heard from the McCain campaign, John McCain thoroughly vetted Sarah Palin. So to all the stuff above one should
append: "I'm John McCain and I approve this patriotic stuff".

[inawe]

To American citizens trying to make up their minds on who to vote next November. Consider this. Aren't you getting tired of the type of news
and discussions we are having now? Killings in Iraq and Afghanistan, foreclosures, price of gasoline, high price of healthcare, and on and on.
So vote for McCain/Palin for a change. The news and conversations will be about more important things. Like who's the mother of the new baby
in the Palin family. Who else is pregnant. How do they know who the father is. What's McCain role in all of these.
Then we'll learn that aborting a 1 month old fetus is a sin and a crime. But killing a 1 year old moose is great sport.
May be we can get convinced that Alaska secession from the US would be a great thing. And we all can have a lobotomy and become creationists.

[TianZi]

Inawe,

Was that a link to Sarah Palin giving a keynote address to the Alaska Independence Party? She was a member of that party for at least a few years in the 90's. So we might have a person as Vice President (and if that happens, very possibly President) who supports the right of states (or at least Alaska) to secede from the union? Great. I thought the US Civil War settled that.

A new article in TIME magazine featuring interviews with Wasillia citizens reported that Sarah sought to have books banned from the local library which had "inappropriate language" and apparently otherwise offended Christian sensibilities.

I appreciate that Palin was not McCain's first choice, but that she was selected after only a 2 hour interview and vetting that consisted only of "Googling her name" (according to an anonymous McCain campaign insider) says volumes about the degree of care McCain exercises in making significant decisions.

Edited by TianZi, 02 September 2008 - 05:40 PM.

[mike250]

McCain should have chosen Lieberman. Dunno how he came up with Palin.

Anyhow we have to choose between McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden

I think I will vote for either the Green or libertarian parties.

Edited by mike250, 02 September 2008 - 05:52 PM.

[inawe]

Inawe,

Was that a link to Sarah Palin giving a keynote address to the Alaska Independence Party? She was a member of that party for at least a few years in the 90's. So we might have a person as Vice President (and if that happens, very possibly President) who supports the right of states (or at least Alaska) to secede from the union? Great. I thought the US Civil War settled that.

A new article in TIME magazine featuring interviews with Wasillia citizens reported that Sarah sought to have books banned from the local library which had "inappropriate language" and apparently otherwise offended Christian sensibilities.

I appreciate that Palin was not McCain's first choice, but that she was selected after only a 2 hour interview and vetting that consisted only of "Googling her name" (according to an anonymous McCain campaign insider) says volumes about the degree of care McCain exercises in making significant decisions.

There are plenty of capable women who could make good president. I voted for Hillary in the primary.
Sara Palin looks like a participant in those TV shows where they give out prices. So when she was offered the VP price she took it, of
course. No fault of hers.
This shouldn't be about Palin but about McCain's judgement (or lack of). Actually, it's more about his character. He kept telling us he'll
rather loose an election than loose a war. But when it comes to the hard stuff, he'll rather try to win an election by any means. The
future of the country be damned.
As of what Alaskans think of Palin
http://mudflats.word...ns-perspective/

[Cyberbrain]

McCain should have chosen Lieberman. Dunno how he came up with Palin.

Anyhow we have to choose between McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden

I think I will vote for either the Green or libertarian parties.

The problem with third parties is that we all know they're not going to get any momentum and they're not going to win. It's practically assured they're not going to win (otherwise I would vote for the libertarian party).

Voting for a third party is like not voting, which given a second thought is not a bad idea like George Carlin said.

Given the type of government we have, it's more or less written in stone that either Obama or McCain will win.

I definitely don't want McCain to win, so I guess my vote goes to Obama.

[Cyberbrain]

According to my opinion if Mccain wins the contest defenitely he has to step down for health reasons.

I agree. The guy is 72 years old and has 1200 pages worth of medical history, compared to Obama who had only one page giving him a clean bill of health. He'd be the oldest president in office.

[mike250]

McCain should have chosen Lieberman. Dunno how he came up with Palin.

Anyhow we have to choose between McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden

I think I will vote for either the Green or libertarian parties.

The problem with third parties is that we all know they're not going to get any momentum and they're not going to win. It's practically assured they're not going to win (otherwise I would vote for the libertarian party).

Voting for a third party is like not voting, which given a second thought is not a bad idea like George Carlin said.

Given the type of government we have, it's more or less written in stone that either Obama or McCain will win.

I definitely don't want McCain to win, so I guess my vote goes to Obama.

Fair enough. your choice

we've been conditioned to vote for the lesser of two evils for long enough. I don't like any of the presidential candidates and don't believe any of them will stick to their words. just a way of getting more votes.

[eternaltraveler]

we've been conditioned to vote for the lesser of two evils for long enough.

why choose a lesser evil?

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[PWAIN]

I like this article as it seems to summarise the whole thing quite nicely.

http://www.news.com....5007146,00.html

Odd bedfellows in team Palin-McCainBy Dennis Atkins
September 03, 2008 12:01am

IF ANYONE doubts that the presidential election in the US is a close contest, just take a look at the candidate Republican John McCain picked as his running mate.

Sarah Palin, Governor of Alaska and national political unknown, is not the person you pick when you're in front. If a candidate is winning, there's no need to take a risk.

The thing about someone no one knows is that they are full of surprises. The Republicans say they checked Palin out but the fact that McCain had met the Alaskan maverick just twice before he introduced her to the American people casts some doubt on that.

Also, Republicans have sent a team of researchers to join journalists and Democrat operatives in Alaska digging into her background. That's hardly what they would do if they had already vetted the vice-presidential nominee.

The first shock revelation is that her unmarried, 17-year-old daughter Bristol is pregnant, something that has offended some "family values" Republicans, although the official line from Camp McCain is that at least she's keeping the baby.

Other stories are certain to emerge from Palin's Alaskan home town of Wasilla, including the one about how the Governor is alleged to have used her office to have her former brother-in-law sacked from his job as a state trooper after he walked out on his wife - her sister.

The political problem for McCain is that stories about Palin that do emerge in the next 10 weeks will take oxygen away from the Republican campaign to head off the insurgent Barack Obama.

But the biggest gamble the Republicans are taking is that Palin has no experience at national office. Given that McCain turned 72 last week and is the oldest first-time candidate for the presidency, the fitness for office of the vice-president now assumes far greater importance.

Given the parochial nature of a remote state like Alaska, it would be expected that Palin would be endorsed by her home state newspapers, but they have led the charge raising doubts.

"Republicans rightfully have criticised the Democratic nominee, Senator Barack Obama, for his lack of experience, but Palin is a neophyte in comparison," said the Daily News-Miner.

"Palin is not ready for the top job. It's clear that McCain picked Palin for reasons of image, not substance."

The Anchorage Daily News outlined the positives of having Palin on the Republican ticket but concluded with these words: "Palin joins the ticket with one huge weakness: She's a total beginner on national and international issues."

The immediate benefit from the Palin announcement was that it drew attention away from Obama's stunning acceptance speech. The immediate poll bounce seen in the Gallup daily track, which put the Democrat 8 per cent ahead of McCain, appeared to stall a little over the weekend, although the latest CBS News poll has the gap widening again.

Outside of surviving the intense scrutiny of the next two months, the big test for Palin will be the October 2 vice-presidential debate between the Alaskan Governor and Democrat Joe Biden. She will have to be at her very best to withstand a head-to-head clash with the Senate veteran.

Biden is a foreign policy specialist on first-name terms with most of the world's leaders. Palin has had a passport for just four years. But Biden is also renowned for his ill-disciplined mouth and could easily wipe out any intellectual superiority with a moment of condescension.

The other side of the gamble is that it might come off, something suggested in a New York Times column this week by Weekly Standard editor and leading conservative William Kristol. He quoted leading Alaskan political scientist James Muller as saying Palin "has been underestimated over and over again".

Muller said: "She took on the party and state establishments here in Alaska, and left them reeling. She's a very good campaigner, a quick study and a fighter."

As Obama's pick of Biden highlights his lack of foreign policy experience, Palin underscores McCain's weaknesses - his age, his distance from the conservative base and his move to the orthodox centre.

However, that she is a complete unknown who has no national leadership experience is McCain's biggest gamble. And the closeness of the race means he has to take it.

[niner]

Well, the Republicans like to claim they are for family values... Now Ms. Palin's little girl went out and got herself knocked up! The question is, are she and the baby going to live in Mom and Dad's trailer, or will she get her own?

Is this what they call vetting? Anyone want to trust these people to run a government?

This shows a real lack of class on your part. What this girl does in none of our business. What she says she's going to do is marry the father. I thought Domocrats didn't care if parents were married anyway as long as they take care of business and care for the child, or was that hippy's, I forget.

You're entitled to your opinion. What this girl does became our business the minute her mother decided to 1) Lobby to deny reproductive freedom to others, with attendant moralizing, and 2) Run for national office. I might be in the minority in this viewpoint, but I am just disgusted with the spectacle of "Pro-Family" Republicans now talking about how wonderful it is that the Palin child got pregnant out of wedlock and decided to keep the baby. What in the hell do "Family Values" mean, anyway? Bearing a child out of wedlock makes a mockery of the nuclear family, mankind's most fundamental institution. When most children make this decision, it sentences them and their baby to a lifetime of poverty and restricted options. Because Bristol Palin is an ELITE, a member of the ruling class, she will have the resources she needs to raise this child. But what kind of message does this send to the teenage girls of America, not to mention their sperm donors?

I would like to see every child born in America have two parents that can support it emotionally and financially. Teenagers having babies doesn't really cut it in the modern world. The hypocrisy on the right is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

[biknut]

You're entitled to your opinion. What this girl does became our business the minute her mother decided to 1) Lobby to deny reproductive freedom to others, with attendant moralizing, and 2) Run for national office. I might be in the minority in this viewpoint, but I am just disgusted with the spectacle of "Pro-Family" Republicans now talking about how wonderful it is that the Palin child got pregnant out of wedlock and decided to keep the baby. What in the hell do "Family Values" mean, anyway? Bearing a child out of wedlock makes a mockery of the nuclear family, mankind's most fundamental institution. When most children make this decision, it sentences them and their baby to a lifetime of poverty and restricted options. Because Bristol Palin is an ELITE, a member of the ruling class, she will have the resources she needs to raise this child. But what kind of message does this send to the teenage girls of America, not to mention their sperm donors?
I would like to see every child born in America have two parents that can support it emotionally and financially. Teenagers having babies doesn't really cut it in the modern world. The hypocrisy on the right is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

Niner, if you believe what you just said you're really out of touch with hard core liberals, and feminists, but that's OK with me. You're starting to sound like a hard core Republican.

I think it's pretty plain it says don't abort you child. Do the right thing and marry the father. Even Obama voiced concern of the possibility that his daughter could make a mistake, and "she shouldn't be punished with a baby." That makes him sound a little less stand up guy than Palin, because he's part of the so called elite too, but he seems to be saying a abortion would be preferable even though money wouldn't be a problem.

The girl said she's going marry the father, what more do you want her to do? I believe in a lot of things, but that doesn't mean my kids do.

Remember when algore's son got arrested for drugs when he was running for president? What does that say about algore? I say nothing, because it wasn't algore, but I guess you would say algore is a lousy father because his kid does drugs.

[biknut]

These are some things I've learned over the course of the day.


Alaska is the least densely populated state but, Palin has more constituents than Nancy Pelosi, or Joe Biden.

The governor of Alaska is in charge of the 5th biggest state economy in the country. $39.9 billion in 2005.

Alaska has 25,000 state employees.

The Alaska state government has international trade dealings that involve Oil, timber, and fish, the 3 biggest state products. The state government has offices in Japan, China, and South Korea.

She helped her basketball team win the Alaska small-school championship in 1982, scoring in the game’s final seconds despite having an ankle stress fracture at the time.

In a recent poll among Alaskans Palin had an approval rating of 76 per cent.

In 2006 she was voted state Governor. After taking office she followed through on a campaign promise to sell the Governor’s private jet bought on state credit. She sold it on eBay.

On a much-viewed recent YouTube, footage shows Palin loosening off a few rounds from an automatic rifle while visiting troops in Kuwait. An impressed US army instructor is heard telling her: “You’re pretty much hitting it dead centre.”

[mike250]

Well, the Republicans like to claim they are for family values... Now Ms. Palin's little girl went out and got herself knocked up! The question is, are she and the baby going to live in Mom and Dad's trailer, or will she get her own?

Is this what they call vetting? Anyone want to trust these people to run a government?

This shows a real lack of class on your part. What this girl does in none of our business. What she says she's going to do is marry the father. I thought Domocrats didn't care if parents were married anyway as long as they take care of business and care for the child, or was that hippy's, I forget.

You're entitled to your opinion. What this girl does became our business the minute her mother decided to 1) Lobby to deny reproductive freedom to others, with attendant moralizing, and 2) Run for national office. I might be in the minority in this viewpoint, but I am just disgusted with the spectacle of "Pro-Family" Republicans now talking about how wonderful it is that the Palin child got pregnant out of wedlock and decided to keep the baby. What in the hell do "Family Values" mean, anyway? Bearing a child out of wedlock makes a mockery of the nuclear family, mankind's most fundamental institution. When most children make this decision, it sentences them and their baby to a lifetime of poverty and restricted options. Because Bristol Palin is an ELITE, a member of the ruling class, she will have the resources she needs to raise this child. But what kind of message does this send to the teenage girls of America, not to mention their sperm donors?

I would like to see every child born in America have two parents that can support it emotionally and financially. Teenagers having babies doesn't really cut it in the modern world. The hypocrisy on the right is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

I didn't realize you were the spokesman for the nuclear family. I might enlist your services in the future.

on a more serious note, what exactly is it about her daughter's pregnancy that you find so rabid niner? that her daughter was promiscuous? you didn't engage in risky sexual behavior when you were at that age?

she decides to deal with the mess she made and marry this guy to give her child a real father. where is the problem in that?

no offense but you sound like a hypocrite yourself.

Edited by mike250, 03 September 2008 - 07:52 AM.

[TianZi]

There is no reasonable, logical argument against granting a mother the right to abortion in at least the first month after conception; the only argument to do so is one based on religious faith, which is by definition illogical.

The human embryo after 4 weeks has no brain activity, doesn't have a beating heart, and doesn't yet have limb buds. It may be a living thing, but it is not yet a human being. It merely has the potential to become a human being, like every one of my sperm. Which reminds me of a song in the old Monty Python film, "The Life of Brian": "Every Sperm is Precious".

I wonder how many Catholics today realize that for most of their church's history, early term abortions were considered perfectly acceptable, since the belief at the time was that the fetus was not infused with a soul until the moment of "quickening", after which point the unborn would begin to kick, etc.

Blackstone speaking in the 18th century: "Life ... begins in contemplation of law as soon as an infant is able to stir in the mother's womb." Fundamentalist Christians might also be troubled to learn that in one of the oldest written versions of the Old Testament, the Greek Septuagint version of the Old Testament dating to the 3rd to 1st centuries BC, killing the fetus was considered to be taking a life only "if it be perfectly formed."

[platypus]

on a more serious note, what exactly is it about her daughter's pregnancy that you find so rabid niner? that her daughter was promiscuous? you didn't engage in risky sexual behavior when you were at that age?

I find it an example of poetic justice that a daughter of a prominent republican was not educated at home or in school to use condoms. Just say no to premarital sex, ha ha!

Edited by platypus, 03 September 2008 - 08:50 AM.

[mike250]

There is no reasonable, logical argument against granting a mother the right to abortion in at least the first month after conception; the only argument to do so is one based on religious faith, which is by definition illogical.

The human embryo after 4 weeks has no brain activity, doesn't have a beating heart, and doesn't yet have limb buds. It may be a living thing, but it is not yet a human being. It merely has the potential to become a human being, like every one of my sperm. Which reminds me of a song in the old Monty Python film, "The Life of Brian": "Every Sperm is Precious".

I wonder how many Catholics today realize that for most of their church's history, early term abortions were considered perfectly acceptable, since the belief at the time was that the fetus was not infused with a soul until the moment of "quickening", after which point the unborn would begin to kick, etc.

Blackstone speaking in the 18th century: "Life ... begins in contemplation of law as soon as an infant is able to stir in the mother's womb." Fundamentalist Christians might also be troubled to learn that in one of the oldest written versions of the Old Testament, the Greek Septuagint version of the Old Testament dating to the 3rd to 1st centuries BC, killing the fetus was considered to be taking a life only "if it be perfectly formed."

this is one possible choice, to abort. the other choice is obviously not to abort, which is what the girl did in this case. Either way I don't see the need to vilify her choice, even if we don't agree with it.

Edited by mike250, 03 September 2008 - 09:07 AM.

[Connor MacLeod]

Seeing something like this would actually make me vote for Obama despite being a conservative.

Most Americans eat meat. Do you think the stuff grows on trees? I'm sure this caribou had a much better life than the vast majority of the farm-raised animals from which the more civilized amongst us obtain our steaks and all-beef patties. I've also heard caribou meat is very high in carnosine.

[Connor MacLeod]

Is that Palin in the photo? Damn, this ought to drive Peta insane.

They already arrived long ago.

[Connor MacLeod]

Bearing a child out of wedlock makes a mockery of the nuclear family, mankind's most fundamental institution.

[TianZi]

There is no reasonable, logical argument against granting a mother the right to abortion in at least the first month after conception; the only argument to do so is one based on religious faith, which is by definition illogical.

The human embryo after 4 weeks has no brain activity, doesn't have a beating heart, and doesn't yet have limb buds. It may be a living thing, but it is not yet a human being. It merely has the potential to become a human being, like every one of my sperm. Which reminds me of a song in the old Monty Python film, "The Life of Brian": "Every Sperm is Precious".

I wonder how many Catholics today realize that for most of their church's history, early term abortions were considered perfectly acceptable, since the belief at the time was that the fetus was not infused with a soul until the moment of "quickening", after which point the unborn would begin to kick, etc.

Blackstone speaking in the 18th century: "Life ... begins in contemplation of law as soon as an infant is able to stir in the mother's womb." Fundamentalist Christians might also be troubled to learn that in one of the oldest written versions of the Old Testament, the Greek Septuagint version of the Old Testament dating to the 3rd to 1st centuries BC, killing the fetus was considered to be taking a life only "if it be perfectly formed."

this is one possible choice, to abort. the other choice is obviously not to abort, which is what the girl did in this case. Either way I don't see the need to vilify her choice, even if we don't agree with it.

I agree. It is with Sarah Palin's desire, based on illogical premises, to eliminate the right to choose that I vehemently disagree.

[Connor MacLeod]

I agree. It is with Sarah Palin's desire, based on illogical premises, to eliminate the right to choose that I vehemently disagree.

Do you support a man's right to choose?

Edited by Connor MacLeod, 03 September 2008 - 11:56 AM.

[inawe]

So let's see if I understand this. The 17 year old Bristol is pregnant. Why throw her to the wolves (aka. liberal press)? She could have stayed in Alaska. She has to go to school, or prepare for school, right? If she came down they could have send her back to Alaska, right?
This story that revealing Bristol is now pregnant will prove that Trig is Sarah's baby is so stupid, I cannot stand it. Showing some photos of pregnant Sarah would have been sufficient, in case anybody asked.
There must be something else going on. Could Bristol pregnancy be a distraction from something potentially much worse?
Turns out that Sarah Palin and her husband were members of the Alaska Independence Party (AIP). A party advocating for the secession of Alaska from the rest of the USA. WOW!

"Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so
independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s,
has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not
residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.
And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First,"
the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."
Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her
husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide
convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time. "

This is huge. How can we have a vice president who wants to be an Alaskan but not an American? Have to prevent people from discussing this s..t. Bristol's pregnancy instead. GREAT!

It works. Just look at what participants in this forum are discussing.

[mike250]

So let's see if I understand this. The 17 year old Bristol is pregnant. Why throw her to the wolves (aka. liberal press)? She could have stayed in Alaska. She has to go to school, or prepare for school, right? If she came down they could have send her back to Alaska, right?
This story that revealing Bristol is now pregnant will prove that Trig is Sarah's baby is so stupid, I cannot stand it. Showing some photos of pregnant Sarah would have been sufficient, in case anybody asked.
There must be something else going on. Could Bristol pregnancy be a distraction from something potentially much worse?
Turns out that Sarah Palin and her husband were members of the Alaska Independence Party (AIP). A party advocating for the secession of Alaska from the rest of the USA. WOW!

"Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so
independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s,
has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not
residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.
And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First,"
the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."
Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her
husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide
convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time. "

This is huge. How can we have a vice president who wants to be an Alaskan but not an American? Have to prevent people from discussing this s..t. Bristol's pregnancy instead. GREAT!

It works. Just look at what participants in this forum are discussing.

and is "senator plastic" with his previous so-called soft partition plan somehow a better option?

I fail to see why Biden is a better option than Palin.

Edited by mike250, 03 September 2008 - 04:46 PM.

[biknut]

So let's see if I understand this. The 17 year old Bristol is pregnant. Why throw her to the wolves (aka. liberal press)? She could have stayed in Alaska. She has to go to school, or prepare for school, right? If she came down they could have send her back to Alaska, right?
This story that revealing Bristol is now pregnant will prove that Trig is Sarah's baby is so stupid, I cannot stand it. Showing some photos of pregnant Sarah would have been sufficient, in case anybody asked.
There must be something else going on. Could Bristol pregnancy be a distraction from something potentially much worse?
Turns out that Sarah Palin and her husband were members of the Alaska Independence Party (AIP). A party advocating for the secession of Alaska from the rest of the USA. WOW!

"Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so
independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s,
has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not
residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.
And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First,"
the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."
Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her
husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide
convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time. "

This is huge. How can we have a vice president who wants to be an Alaskan but not an American? Have to prevent people from discussing this s..t. Bristol's pregnancy instead. GREAT!

It works. Just look at what participants in this forum are discussing.

I have to agree in this respect. What the media is focusing on is piddly. What you're pointing out would at least be more relevant as far as politics are concerned. I don't think the McCain campaign is behind it though. The left, and this includes the media thinks slamming her family will somehow help Obama. They apparently didn't learn anything for Clinton. The American people don't really care about these private family matters when it comes to being qualified for the job. It's just as likely to help her as hurt.

I doubt the AIP story will have any legs either though, because first of all where's the proof she was a member, and even if she was, it would appear she quit. I've saw a Democrat media type on TV say that most of the damaging information coming out about her right now is suspect because it's coming from her enemy's in Alaska in the GOP. They don't like her because she beat them, and she's very popular there. It will be easy to prove any of these wild accusations. That's what they need to be doing. What's happening now is just gossip that's being repeated over and over.

[inawe]

The AIP people have Sarah Palin husband's membership at hand. They are confident they can find hers.
The former AIP Secretary, Lynette Clark, a freelance gold miner who wants Alaska to become an independent nation and has this to say about the McCain campaign's damage control efforts:
"This is like a cat covering up crap in its litter box."
And I already posted




I'm aware that there are some who are very happy with Sarah Palin because she's a Christian fundamentalist, anti-abortion, anti-gay, pro guns, creationists and the hell with everything else. These people don't care whatever else she can be, including Alaskan-secessionist.
For the good of the country (and the world) I just hope most citizens are not like that.

[mike250]

The AIP people have Sarah Palin husband's membership at hand. They are confident they can find hers.
The former AIP Secretary, Lynette Clark, a freelance gold miner who wants Alaska to become an independent nation and has this to say about the McCain campaign's damage control efforts:
"This is like a cat covering up crap in its litter box."
And I already posted




I'm aware that there are some who are very happy with Sarah Palin because she's a Christian fundamentalist, anti-abortion, anti-gay, pro guns, creationists and the hell with everything else. These people don't care whatever else she can be, including Alaskan-secessionist.
For the good of the country (and the world) I just hope most citizens are not like that.

I don't think its up to any of us to decide what other citizens---whether of the US and especially the rest of the world---- ought to be like even if we don't agree with them on certain issues like those mentioned above. You seem to think everybody else should be like you/us for some strange reason. That is quite dangerous and reminds me of GWB's mentality: your either with us or against us.

As far as Palin is concerned, everything you've mentioned so far reinforces the whole McCain/Palin ticket even further.

"Sarah"'s baby is really Bristol's! And Bristol got pregnant by an eighth-grader! And Sarah was a member of a secessionist political party! And a Pat Buchanan supporter! And she slashed funding for teen pregnancy shelters! etc.......

I have yet to hear a single reason why an Obama/Biden ticket is any better?

Quite frankly, I find both tickets to be full of shit. The RNC couldn't be more different than the DNC. McCain is being portrayed as a man of principle and many Americans will eat up the whole "Country First" thing. On the other side Obama keeps talking about one nation, change--- what is change?--- and more empty general rhetoric that doesn't add any productivity to the political dialogue.

The only difference I see is that with Republicans its so clear as day while the Democrats try so desperately to convince us otherwise.What a pathetic political process we have to deal with.

Edited by mike250, 03 September 2008 - 08:05 PM.