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[ajnast4r]

You are taking two medicines for Acid Reflux?


You are taking Seroquel? Are you bi-polar too? So, you are bi-polar, unmotivated, and depressed, and you are taking selegiline, seroquel, celexa, fish oil, AND SAM-e? WoW!!! Overkill much???


Also, 3 different probiotic formulas? I think that you think that more is better. Hmmm....


Good luck bro. I hope you are not in an insane asylum anytime soon from all these wreckless indulgences.


I know you didn't tell your doctor what all you are taking. No doctor in their right mind would give the thumbs up to a program like that. I am going to tell you again. Find a good psychiatrist and a good doctor, and have them work in collaboration to get you better. It wouldn't hurt to throw in a naturopathic doctor (ND) in that mix also. You are coming to the wrong place with all what you are asking.

i agree with this 100% and i think that its great advice.

[ajnast4r]

You are taking two medicines for Acid Reflux?


You are taking Seroquel? Are you bi-polar too? So, you are bi-polar, unmotivated, and depressed, and you are taking selegiline, seroquel, celexa, fish oil, AND SAM-e? WoW!!! Overkill much???


Also, 3 different probiotic formulas? I think that you think that more is better. Hmmm....


Good luck bro. I hope you are not in an insane asylum anytime soon from all these wreckless indulgences.


I know you didn't tell your doctor what all you are taking. No doctor in their right mind would give the thumbs up to a program like that. I am going to tell you again. Find a good psychiatrist and a good doctor, and have them work in collaboration to get you better. It wouldn't hurt to throw in a naturopathic doctor (ND) in that mix also. You are coming to the wrong place with all what you are asking.

i agree with this 100% and i think that its great advice.

[OneScrewLoose]

You are taking two medicines for Acid Reflux?


You are taking Seroquel? Are you bi-polar too? So, you are bi-polar, unmotivated, and depressed, and you are taking selegiline, seroquel, celexa, fish oil, AND SAM-e? WoW!!! Overkill much???


Also, 3 different probiotic formulas? I think that you think that more is better. Hmmm....


Good luck bro. I hope you are not in an insane asylum anytime soon from all these wreckless indulgences.


I know you didn't tell your doctor what all you are taking. No doctor in their right mind would give the thumbs up to a program like that. I am going to tell you again. Find a good psychiatrist and a good doctor, and have them work in collaboration to get you better. It wouldn't hurt to throw in a naturopathic doctor (ND) in that mix also. You are coming to the wrong place with all what you are asking.

i agree with this 100% and i think that its great advice.

WTF? First of all, I am not bipolar. Seroquel was prescribed to me by my doctor after the SSRIs failed to sufficiently quell (no pun intended) my anxiety. Second, I am highly motivated and was in the top 40 of my class of my 800-person senior high school class, now at UCSD. Third, my doctor knows what I am taking, and I do not appreciate being called a liar. I would not bother to respond to stupid assumptions like in that post if you hadn't "agreed 100%" without even asking me if any of it is true. I expected a lot more from you because of your posts and the kind of helpful advice I've seen you give. Like I said, WTF?

This is getting rediculous, I do not want a flame war I just want advice.

Edited by OneScrewLoose, 25 November 2008 - 08:51 AM.

[OneScrewLoose]

You are taking two medicines for Acid Reflux?


You are taking Seroquel? Are you bi-polar too? So, you are bi-polar, unmotivated, and depressed, and you are taking selegiline, seroquel, celexa, fish oil, AND SAM-e? WoW!!! Overkill much???


Also, 3 different probiotic formulas? I think that you think that more is better. Hmmm....


Good luck bro. I hope you are not in an insane asylum anytime soon from all these wreckless indulgences.


I know you didn't tell your doctor what all you are taking. No doctor in their right mind would give the thumbs up to a program like that. I am going to tell you again. Find a good psychiatrist and a good doctor, and have them work in collaboration to get you better. It wouldn't hurt to throw in a naturopathic doctor (ND) in that mix also. You are coming to the wrong place with all what you are asking.

i agree with this 100% and i think that its great advice.

WTF? First of all, I am not bipolar. Seroquel was prescribed to me by my doctor after the SSRIs failed to sufficiently quell (no pun intended) my anxiety. Second, I am highly motivated and was in the top 40 of my class of my 800-person senior high school class, now at UCSD. Third, my doctor knows what I am taking, and I do not appreciate being called a liar. I would not bother to respond to stupid assumptions like in that post if you hadn't "agreed 100%" without even asking me if any of it is true. I expected a lot more from you because of your posts and the kind of helpful advice I've seen you give. Like I said, WTF?

This is getting rediculous, I do not want a flame war I just want advice that doesn't including rhetorical, egotistical garbage such as "I hope you are not in an insane asylum anytime soon from all these wreckless indulgences" and assuming to know what conditions I have.

[luv2increase]

This is getting rediculous,

Someone with good intentions of trying to help someone who is taking as many things as you with the problems you are having is anything but ridiculous.


If you are under a doctor's care and doing well, why at the beginning of this thread did you make it out like you were doing badly and all was anything but well???


The changes that you've made since your first post would not take effect like you've said in such a quick manner. My guess is that you are experiencing some sort of placebo effect and looking for affirmation from others to verify this. This is not good.


I'm sorry if the truth hurts. My intentions are not to belittle you etc... If you knew it all, you wouldn't have opened up this thread or the other one. So, I find it disturbing that you do not find constructive advice welcoming? This verifies my placebo effect hypothesis which you are trying to affirm.


I wish you all the best.

Edited by luv2increase, 25 November 2008 - 05:22 PM.

[meatwad]

I have looked at the posted link.
Post recent cmp/bmp tsh/t4 or other lab draws?
Also knowing height weight age gender would be helpful.
Sleep quality? Have a reason to be awake everyday?
Significant other? Job that pays enough / challenges you reasonably?

Without hearing the results, I am going to guess you have
more energy than you know what to do with. A job that starts at
06:00 would be in your best interest.

for others in this thread, please look for my other thread that I am about to open
regarding medication interaction.

I had my tsh, and t4 tested at normal. My cmp shows up normal, not sure what a bmp is.

I am 5'11" @ 155

I have a lot of trouble going to sleep and a lot of trouble waking up. Sleep rarely feels restful. Only time in recent memory were I slept well was when I was on that test boosting sup, and when it fixed me for 2 weeks. None of these drugs compare still...

No significant other. I am a student and work at a dining hall. 8 hours/week, and the ppl there are fun. I am often frustrated because of my ADD. I do assignments the night before because it's the only way I can concentrate, because of the pressure. I try to do it earlier but I just can't concentrate. It's an extremely draining process. I've tried adderal, ritalin, focalin, hate how they make me feel and they don't really make me concentrate much. Plus they kill my appetite which is really bad considering I am constantly stuggling to keep on my weight. Strattera is garbage. I am currently on selegline which does help but not enough. I just upped the dose to 2.5/day to see what happens.

The only thing that I feel has worked is centrophenoxine, but it really, really hurts my stomach thanks to all the problems. I am hoping to take it again when all that stuff heals.

The lower dose of celexa was too stressful so I went back up to 20 and ditched the SJW and 5-htp. I'm sticking to the SAM-E cause I like the morning boost. My doctor is having me try nortryptaline for sleep and anxiety. I know it's an SNRI, but we'll see what happens...at least we get to test my NE theory for sure.

Eight hours / week or 8 hours/day? What time does it start?
d/c selegiline and other psychotropics. Rationale: stating poor sleep secondary to stimulant use.
On the subject of sleep - 1) blackout curtain everything. zero light from computers, not even a clock timer light in your room. If you can see the morning sun from your window it is not done correctly. If you can see any light at all from the moment you close your eyes to the moment you decide to leave your room then this is not correct sleep. Think "coffin" - rationale: melatonin synthesis is inhibited with even a pinpoint of light on the back of your skin.

You also are trying to understand deep complex neurological/biochemical responses with Braverman's sell a book scheme. DA, NE, GABA, A-choline does not take into count the numerous other hormones that affect mood. Testosterone, Cortisol, Vitamin D, etc have systemwide affects.

You sound like you are sleep deprived and stressed out. I can tell you that doctor's 90% of the time are just trying to get out the door with the least amount of work as possible. The more time they spend with you the higher chance of a law suit. You certainly are not someone of great importance (ie senator/rich person/president) so they are looking to get in and get out, hopefully many times in a single year.

d/c selegiline, d/c any "stimulant" except caffeine, consider dropping money on high quality anti cortisol supplements (new chapter holy basil extract, new chapter stress take care and new chapter neurozymes - buy them from gnc, try 1 pill of each bottle at the same time. (Afterwords, return the stuf for a full refund. GNC return policy is 100% - even if you use the entire bottle. Or you can pay a "deposit" for the bottles - buy them off the internet for 1/4th the price then return it to GNC... Nothing is sleazy when your brain/body is dieing and you can't afford rent.) Doing this would definitely be cheaper than visiting your doctor even one time.

The thing is light helps me sleep. I've figured out that a lot of my insomnia comes from this irrational paranoia, a feeling of a "presence." There's a little lot that comes in my window at night, and the ambiance of it makes me feel very comfortable. Is this still bad?

I am generally sleep deprived and stressed out, you're right on that. Hate getting up in the morning.

Three days ago my doctor gave me Rozerem to try. Hated it. Groggy all day. But the last two nights I've had a lot less trouble getting to sleep for some reason...even though I've been really stressed this week...not sure why. Haven't taken the picamilon nor rozerem nor 5-htp. Maybe it'll keep getting better as my stomach is getting better. My appetite's been the most consistent it has ever been since I was 7 years old.

Also, I just bought some kava for my sleep in case I need it. I took it years ago when I was much more of a mess (before knowing I had celiac) and it was one of the few supps I could say really made a difference. But like I said, I haven't needed it yet so i haven't tried it. I got the NOW brand, any comments on NOW's kava?

I'll post my newest regimen later, but I got work now. Thanks for the help so far.

You need to be in complete darkness regardless of what is happening outside and regardless of electronic equipment. Complete. I see you are supplementing with herbs in hopes for good sleep. Good sleep starts with darkness. Complete darkness for proper hormone synthesis will be the best anti-depressant you have ever taken.

Yes, complete darkness will probably require stapling/nailing a blanket to the wall, stuffing towels under the doors, etc. If you are willing to drop hundreds of dollars on herbs and supplements you should be more than willing to spend nothing on turning off all the lights in your room.

[OneScrewLoose]

This is getting rediculous,

Someone with good intentions of trying to help someone who is taking as many things as you with the problems you are having is anything but ridiculous.


If you are under a doctor's care and doing well, why at the beginning of this thread did you make it out like you were doing badly and all was anything but well???


The changes that you've made since your first post would not take effect like you've said in such a quick manner. My guess is that you are experiencing some sort of placebo effect and looking for affirmation from others to verify this. This is not good.


I'm sorry if the truth hurts. My intentions are not to belittle you etc... If you knew it all, you wouldn't have opened up this thread or the other one. So, I find it disturbing that you do not find constructive advice welcoming? This verifies my placebo effect hypothesis which you are trying to affirm.


I wish you all the best.

You, for the last time, did not give constructive advice. "Call it quits" does not constitute advice. Calling people a liar is not constructive advice. Assuming they have certain diseases from the outset is not constructive advice. Like the other poster said, by the manner in which you talk (down) to people (and I'm not the first), you clearly have some psychological issues and vent them by "helping" people in this forum.

And I have taken the constructive advice of others, by dumping the SJW and 5-HTP. The only things I am taking right now that are significantly psychoactive outside of what my doctor initially prescribed is the selegeline and the SAM-E, both of which my doctor is aware of.


For those who are genuinely interested, I am doing a lot better on this regimen. My concentration is way up, and I think the selegiline is largely responsible for that. I can feel a difference in my skin and how I perceive things shortly after I take it. I'll start a new regimen thread and update my progress over the next two months. The selegiline is succeeding where the adderal, ritalin and focalin have failed.

And for the light issue, I'll try that next quarter (we're on a quarter system instead of a semester), but I have a question. From an evolutionary perspective, wouldn't it be counterintuitive to require complete darkness to get the best sleep? Our ancestors would have most likely slept under the moon and the stars. Nonetheless, I'll give it a try.

Right now I am looking for advice on the best way to take the probiotics. Any opinions?

Edited by OneScrewLoose, 26 November 2008 - 07:03 AM.

[ajnast4r]

Right now I am looking for advice on the best way to take the probiotics. Any opinions?

with food and with smaller spaced out doses

[luv2increase]

My concentration is way up, and I think the selegiline is largely responsible for that. I can feel a difference in my skin and how I perceive things shortly after I take it.

How long have you been taking selegiline, what form is it, and what dosage(s)?


What has it done for your skin?

[OneScrewLoose]

My concentration is way up, and I think the selegiline is largely responsible for that. I can feel a difference in my skin and how I perceive things shortly after I take it.

How long have you been taking selegiline, what form is it, and what dosage(s)?


What has it done for your skin?

I've been on it for a month. I started at 1.25 and now up to 2.5.

How should the probiotic dosing look like?