But what are the dangers of moderate drinking. Say a beer or two a day.
Is there any damage being done, and advanced aging happening?
What are precautions i can take besides abstinence?
Edited by j033, 20 February 2009 - 08:43 PM.
Posted 20 February 2009 - 08:41 PM
Edited by j033, 20 February 2009 - 08:43 PM.
Posted 20 February 2009 - 09:45 PM
Edited by VictorBjoerk, 20 February 2009 - 09:47 PM.
Posted 20 February 2009 - 10:04 PM
What is your source for saying that "there is no reason to drink alcohol at all"? As it turns out there is a LARGE body of evidence suggesting that 1 glass a day of alcohol is healthy. This is confirmed by more controlled studies in rodents. Not to troll, but almost everything that you said is wrong with regards to low and moderate alcohol consumption (with the exception of splitting up drinks being good for you). Just read the laundry list of (mostly) benefits: http://en.wikipedia....tion_and_healthAlcohol dries the skin and deprives the body from vitamines. It is not good for your organs. Alcohol is unnecessary calories and will help you develop diabetes and other metabolic problems, cardiovascular problems like weakened heart muscle and arteriosclerosis.
There is no reason to drink any alcohol at all, the potential benefits are hyped. Not that a glass of beer a day will do a lot of harm necessarily but there is no convincing reason to drink it.
Also it can cause dilated blood vessels in your face, drinking alcohol can make your face look permanently puffy due to water retention and other things.
Edited by lucid, 20 February 2009 - 10:08 PM.
Posted 21 February 2009 - 04:05 AM
Posted 21 February 2009 - 04:07 AM
Posted 21 February 2009 - 04:29 AM
lucid there is also evidence that one drink a day is harmful, but here read over this: http://www.benbest.c...th/alcohol.html
Posted 21 February 2009 - 04:42 AM
Carrying a really big weapon.And any minute now DukeNukem will show up...
Doesn't this defeat the purpose?Split your intake during the day instead of drinking all at once if you can't resist it.
Edited by niner, 21 February 2009 - 04:42 AM.
Posted 21 February 2009 - 04:57 AM
I like to have a beer or two a couple times a week. Moderate drinking, nothing heavy. It loosens inhibitions and allows me to approach women easier, and be more social.
But off topic: does anyone know what neurotransmitter(s) beer effects to give it it's feel good effect? Serotonin? Dopamine? GABA? etc. Something different? Or all combined?
I've had depressive symptoms for the last little while, but feel good on beer. If I knew i could tailor a supplement regimen boosting those neurotransmitters.
Posted 21 February 2009 - 06:20 AM
Carrying a really big weapon.And any minute now DukeNukem will show up...
Doesn't this defeat the purpose?Split your intake during the day instead of drinking all at once if you can't resist it.
Posted 21 February 2009 - 07:22 AM
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Posted 21 February 2009 - 11:38 AM
Hmm. I have read a good bit of his critique of various studies, it seems that he has a pretty strong bias against alcohol. The real substance of his argument seems to be discussed in the article: http://www3.intersci...194652/abstractlucid there is also evidence that one drink a day is harmful, but here read over this: http://www.benbest.c...th/alcohol.html
Dose-Specific Effects of Alcohol on the Lifespan of Mice and the Possible Relevance to Man
To determine the effects on lifespan of daily consumption of alcohol throughout adulthood, three groups of 100 male mice each (strain C57BL/J0J)-housed one to a cage-were given 3.5%, 7.5% and J2% v/v alcohol in distilled water as the only source of drinking fluid. On the basis of relative metabolic capacity, the resulting consumption levels could be considered comparable to a range in man from a moderate to an alcoholic intake. Two control groups of 100 mice each-one group singly housed and the other housed five to a cage-received distilled water ad libitum. There was no difference between the survival curves of the low alcohol and water-drinking singly housed controls. The medium alcohol mice had the longest mean lifespan of the five groups and the high alcohol mice had the shortest. There were no clear alcohol-related group differences in post mortem histology, although the early deaths in the high alcohol group showed evidence of a high rate of liver abnormality. The applicability of the findings to man is discussed.
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Posted 21 February 2009 - 12:18 PM
Posted 21 February 2009 - 01:35 PM
Edited by TheFountain, 21 February 2009 - 01:38 PM.
Posted 21 February 2009 - 03:40 PM
Besides, if you want to relax take some valerian root or smoke some pot occasionally. I would vote the latter healthier than alcohol consumption in terms of age related effects. This does not mean it is entirely safe, as pointed out elsewhere, but it is better than alcohol.
Edited by resveratrol, 21 February 2009 - 03:41 PM.
Posted 21 February 2009 - 03:58 PM
You're pushing your conception of strict morale on other's. By no means am I suggesting people smoke marijuana every day. What I am saying is the risk of smoking marijuana is not as great as the risk of alcohol consumption, and statistics bear this out. Of course more double blind studies are needed, but the point is people are already discussing 'justifying toxic habits' whenever they speak of any form of alcohol consumption. It is okay because it is legal?Besides, if you want to relax take some valerian root or smoke some pot occasionally. I would vote the latter healthier than alcohol consumption in terms of age related effects. This does not mean it is entirely safe, as pointed out elsewhere, but it is better than alcohol.
With friends like you, who needs enemies?
Anyone who would seriously suggest that smoking marijuana is somehow "healthier" compared to something else needs to get their head checked.
These forums are for discussing techniques for life extension, not for justifying toxic drug habits.
Posted 21 February 2009 - 06:43 PM
You're pushing your conception of strict morale on other's. By no means am I suggesting people smoke marijuana every day. What I am saying is the risk of smoking marijuana is not as great as the risk of alcohol consumption, and statistics bear this out. Of course more double blind studies are needed, but the point is people are already discussing 'justifying toxic habits' whenever they speak of any form of alcohol consumption. It is okay because it is legal?Besides, if you want to relax take some valerian root or smoke some pot occasionally. I would vote the latter healthier than alcohol consumption in terms of age related effects. This does not mean it is entirely safe, as pointed out elsewhere, but it is better than alcohol.
With friends like you, who needs enemies?
Anyone who would seriously suggest that smoking marijuana is somehow "healthier" compared to something else needs to get their head checked.
These forums are for discussing techniques for life extension, not for justifying toxic drug habits.
Posted 21 February 2009 - 09:16 PM
Well, I don't have a strong belief on this because I think the jury is still out. There seems to be a lot of evidence that a few ounces a day can relieve stress and be a net-positive. Maybe this is only true for high-stress people, and for low-stress people it's still a net-negative.And any minute now DukeNukem will show up...
Posted 21 February 2009 - 10:37 PM
As soon as I hear the word "morale" I have to step in. Health (and life extension) is not moralistic, suggesting otherwise is almost insulting. Please use some other term as it is obviously incorrect (I don't have a clue what you wanted to say, but this is a health discussion - we don't deal with morals!)You're pushing your conception of strict morale on other's.
That's an interesting assumption. Some of the studies showed moderate alcohol consumption to be even healthier than abstaining. Is there any such data for marijuana? If the answer is "yes", I'd be glad to see it.By no means am I suggesting people smoke marijuana every day. What I am saying is the risk of smoking marijuana is not as great as the risk of alcohol consumption, and statistics bear this out.
You too seem to know something I don't know. So please share. If I remember correctly in the last marijuana thread the pro side of marijuana was only represented by some mechanistical/in vitro studies.I know Marijuana is safer than drinking, and I know a few people that smoke moderately it for it's positive life extension benefits (easing of stress, etc.) They aromatizes the marijuana as to not inhale too much smoke. I would do that instead, however beer makes me more sociable, and that's a positive for a natural introvert. So I choose that, even with any toxic effects, as otherwise my social life would be dull.
Or maybe the intelligent people on imminst just correlate it with the fact of lung cancer and such? Once again I don't think anyone involved morals, anyone but you.But I find most people correlate smoking marijuana with the stereotypical pot-head stoner types, and automatically think it's low life, and almost a scourge; and if you look at it that way, you can see why. You got to remind people of moderate users that are productive members of society, rather than abusers that most likely had problems before they found the drug, before perceptions change.
Edited by kismet, 21 February 2009 - 11:04 PM.
Posted 22 February 2009 - 02:46 AM
As soon as I hear the word "morale" I have to step in. Health (and life extension) is not moralistic, suggesting otherwise is almost insulting. Please use some other term as it is obviously incorrect (I don't have a clue what you wanted to say, but this is a health discussion - we don't deal with morals!)You're pushing your conception of strict morale on other's.
That's an interesting assumption. Some of the studies showed moderate alcohol consumption to be even healthier than abstaining. Is there any such data for marijuana? If the answer is "yes", I'd be glad to see it.By no means am I suggesting people smoke marijuana every day. What I am saying is the risk of smoking marijuana is not as great as the risk of alcohol consumption, and statistics bear this out.
You too seem to know something I don't know. So please share. If I remember correctly in the last marijuana thread the pro side of marijuana was only represented by some mechanistical/in vitro studies.I know Marijuana is safer than drinking, and I know a few people that smoke moderately it for it's positive life extension benefits (easing of stress, etc.) They aromatizes the marijuana as to not inhale too much smoke. I would do that instead, however beer makes me more sociable, and that's a positive for a natural introvert. So I choose that, even with any toxic effects, as otherwise my social life would be dull.
Or maybe the intelligent people on imminst just correlate it with the fact of lung cancer and such? Once again I don't think anyone involved morals, anyone but you.But I find most people correlate smoking marijuana with the stereotypical pot-head stoner types, and automatically think it's low life, and almost a scourge; and if you look at it that way, you can see why. You got to remind people of moderate users that are productive members of society, rather than abusers that most likely had problems before they found the drug, before perceptions change.
Edited by j033, 22 February 2009 - 02:58 AM.
Posted 22 February 2009 - 04:57 AM
Posted 22 February 2009 - 06:37 AM
No. The metabolism of alcohol goesI know alcohol is oxidizing, and converts to estrogen (Or aromatases estrogen receptors?), etc.
Posted 22 February 2009 - 06:56 PM
Posted 22 February 2009 - 08:45 PM
Moderate alcohol consumption has been linked to a number of health benefits, but red wine especially has been linked to increased longevity. In parts of southwestern France and Sardinia they regularly drink 2-3 glasses daily of procyanidin-rich wine (due to the grapes used and the maceration techniques). Roger Corder writes about it in the Red Wine Diet. Red wine drinkers tend to live longer and maintain lower body weights as well.
Edited by andre, 22 February 2009 - 08:46 PM.
Posted 23 February 2009 - 04:34 AM
Besides, if you want to relax take some valerian root or smoke some pot occasionally. I would vote the latter healthier than alcohol consumption in terms of age related effects. This does not mean it is entirely safe, as pointed out elsewhere, but it is better than alcohol.
With friends like you, who needs enemies?
Anyone who would seriously suggest that smoking marijuana is somehow "healthier" compared to something else needs to get their head checked.
These forums are for discussing techniques for life extension, not for justifying toxic drug habits.
Posted 23 February 2009 - 05:20 AM
Edited by nancyd, 23 February 2009 - 05:22 AM.
Posted 23 February 2009 - 04:55 PM
Abusing alcohol or cigarettes can cause cancer. While abusing weed certainly isnt healthy, while marijuana contains many carcinogens, use does not increase cancer risk. The cause of this is the subject of ongoing cancer research.That's an interesting assumption. Some of the studies showed moderate alcohol consumption to be even healthier than abstaining. Is there any such data for marijuana? If the answer is "yes", I'd be glad to see it.
Posted 24 February 2009 - 11:36 PM
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