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[TianZi]

I think the key to not antagonizing religious folks is being more careful in the words we use to describe this movement. If we say our goal is "healthy life extension" rather than "becoming immortal", you'll find few of the religiously devout who'll be offended.

Really, I think the name of this website, and of the organization itself, is a self-inflicted wound.

[Guacamolium]

Immortality is not against christianity. And why should god care if we die of aging rather than in an accident being 1000000 years old

Yet christians should behave unlike immortalists... you know, because the greater life is one existence away....

[cryofan]

I think the key to not antagonizing religious folks is being more careful in the words we use to describe this movement. If we say our goal is "healthy life extension" rather than "becoming immortal", you'll find few of the religiously devout who'll be offended.

Really, I think the name of this website, and of the organization itself, is a self-inflicted wound.

I strongly disagree. I am simply using the words of the bible and interpreting them in a very straightforward way. I do not think they will be offended. And I don't really care. If you want converts to cryonics who are christian, I think that worrying about offending is going to be counterproductive. I thinkt that cryonics is supported by the bible, and so every good christian must be a good cryonicist.

[klatu]

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[TianZi]

I think the key to not antagonizing religious folks is being more careful in the words we use to describe this movement. If we say our goal is "healthy life extension" rather than "becoming immortal", you'll find few of the religiously devout who'll be offended.

Really, I think the name of this website, and of the organization itself, is a self-inflicted wound.

I strongly disagree. I am simply using the words of the bible and interpreting them in a very straightforward way. I do not think they will be offended. And I don't really care. If you want converts to cryonics who are christian, I think that worrying about offending is going to be counterproductive. I thinkt that cryonics is supported by the bible, and so every good christian must be a good cryonicist.

I was making a larger point that is only tangentially related to cryonics. I personally am not interested in cryonics, as I do not live in a country in which this kind of service is available, and am unconvinced by the science underlying it in any event. I understand why others are keenly interested in it, and so it is unsurprising the organization provides a forum for it. That said, this organization is primarily devoted to the pursuit and advocacy of healthy human life extension, and that is where my interest in ImmInst.org begins and ends. The more time that is spent publicly advocating that goal, and the less time spent talking about "immortality", the better the organization's goal of advocacy will be served.