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Poll: Plastic Surgery Banned?! (107 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you think plastic surgery should be banned?

  1. Yes (10 votes [9.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.17%

  2. No (99 votes [90.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 90.83%

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#31 ImmortalityFreedom

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 05:02 PM

We live in a society which grows on perfection.
We see ourselves in the mirror every day, we see others all around us, men like pretty girls and we like to be happy with ourselves when we glance at the mirror.

Society created standards for beauty and everyone tries to achieve it. more and more people achieve it and the standards go up.
Hairless bodies, shiny hair, perfect skin and face, this created shaving and waxing products, hair creams, skin creams, make up, conditioners, peeling creams, moisturizing creams, hair gels and what not.

One person uses it and looks better than the rest, others start using it and everyone climbs until someone finds another way to improve their show.

Then there are bones and cartilages, skin defects and many others which some were lucky and some were unlucky at birth or throughout their lives, then comes plastic surgery.
a woman was born without the full attractive lips, she can now afford a surgery.
maybe you have a huge nose that is disturbing for you and others to look at, you can fix it.

it is true, surgeries have a risk, they might go wrong! then again, maybe people had them change their lives for the better.
the higher percentage was for the better. it is only that every time again someone with an opinion like yours tries to brainwash others showing only the bad ones and tries to convince that each and every one of the surgeries is a terrible thing and tries to strike fear and disgust in others.

Then, no, not all surgeries are bad, not all surgeries are awful, most actually have great results.

The really hard part is competing with photoshopped models :|o

I didn't put much of example for guys look on this because I don't think I ever had a guy talking about how to improve his looks.. except for my friend Tal, but he simply says he wants to work and improve his physic shape and looks.. It seems to work! ;) for him anyways :)


It was mostly for the better for people with birth defects, skin disease, burns, etc.. But when it comes to beauty, most are left unhappy and missing their old selves. But yeah, I totally agree with it for taking care of problems at birth or other accidents that occur in peoples life to fix it. When people change the way they look, that is wrong, and should be banned because all the surgeons are getting back is their money, now I have seen too many horrible plastic surgery results for cosmetic reasons and I cannot bare to look at anymore, but you can though. Plastic surgery ruins peoples lives. Now, in reality on the web, 30% of people are for banning plastic surgery for cosmetic reasons, and 70% are against banning cosmetic surgery for cosmetic reasons. If breast implants can ban a woman in sports, then cosmetic plastic surgery should be banned for people. I mean hey, people look better naturally most of the time, we are all different, and it's a shame that our society has come down to changing our looks. Listen to Michael Jacksons song, Man in the mirror,

For or against plastic surgery? http://www.forandaga...hould_Be_Banned

#32 kismet

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 06:27 PM

I don't even expect that you understand my posts, but maybe I'll manage to teach you at least the basics of logic.
No matter how often you assert something, you still need facts to prove it. Anecdotal evidence is not a fact. Scholar, i.e. acedmic sources are required (look it up: http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Scholarly). I urge you to contribute anything of value to this thread.

But when it comes to beauty, most are left unhappy and missing their old selves. assertion

When people change the way they look, that is wrong [assertion], and should be banned because all the surgeons are getting back is their money [assertion], now I have seen too many horrible plastic surgery results [anecdote] for cosmetic reasons and I cannot bare to look at anymore [personal opinion/anecdote, you do not have the right to force it on others, though], but you can though. Working on your grammar and spelling wouldn't hurt either. It is generally believed that the more cohorent arguments make a better impression.
Plastic surgery ruins peoples lives. assertion

Now, in reality on the web [that's an oxymoron], 30% of people are for banning plastic surgery for cosmetic reasons, and 70% are against banning cosmetic. Which basically means that even going by "mob rule" and if we take this unscientific poll at face value you are wrong and quite a lot it seems.

I mean hey, people look better naturally most of the time...assertion


Just now I decided to continue ridiculing your posts as long as the quality of your reasoning does not increase to bearable levels.

Edited by kismet, 26 July 2009 - 01:54 PM.


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#33 sentrysnipe

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 06:40 PM

Somebody's more bored than I am wow. What a relief.
Props for the copy pasting effort and the extensive use of BBCode. Congratulations.
You just gave me an idea on what new poll to make.

#34 ImmortalityFreedom

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 07:40 PM

Somebody's more bored than I am wow. What a relief.
Props for the copy pasting effort and the extensive use of BBCode. Congratulations.
You just gave me an idea on what new poll to make.


Nope buddy, your wrong :|o.

kismet, you have no clue about anything i'm talking about. When I say plastic surgery and when (most people) I say I think it should be banned including cosmetic operations, i'm obviously talking about cosmetic plastic surgery excluding burn victims, birth defects, and any skin disease. Obviously, you weren't reading the post right XD.
Oh and, not to mention, you sayd "lay down the crack pipe" twice, oh wow man, you need to find something different to say, and yes, I do have a valid point ;)

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 01:07 AM

kismet, you have no clue about anything i'm talking about. When I say plastic surgery and when (most people) I say I think it should be banned including cosmetic operations, i'm obviously talking about cosmetic plastic surgery excluding burn victims, birth defects, and any skin disease. Obviously, you weren't reading the post right XD.


Everyone knows you mean cosmetic plastic surgery. This issue is that you don't give any evidence to back up your claims. You keep saying that most people who get cosmetic surgery are dissatisfied. Instead of repeating yourself, why don't you look for statistical studies on plastic surgery satisfaction to see if you're right?
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#36 kismet

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 01:56 PM

Nope buddy, your wrong :|? .

kismet, you have no clue about anything i'm talking about. When I say plastic surgery and when (most people) I say I think [ok, that's an improvement. Stating "It is my opinion" definitely sounds less arrogant thant "It must be banned. It is wrong" (to paraphrase)] it should be banned including cosmetic operations, i'm obviously talking about cosmetic plastic surgery excluding burn victims, birth defects, and any skin disease. [I know that and I still strongly disagree and urge you to provide scholarly sources backing up the numbers and statements you are throwing around] Obviously, you weren't reading the post right XD.
Oh and, not to mention, you sayd "lay down the crack pipe" twice, oh wow man, you need to find something different to say, and yes, I do have a valid point :)  maybe thrice will do: lay down the crack pipe and bring on some meaningful arguments. The only supporting "evidence" I've seen are subjective anecdotes of yours (you can do better than that).


Edited by kismet, 26 July 2009 - 01:58 PM.


#37 ImmortalityFreedom

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 04:04 AM

# 44% of women say they disapprove of cosmetic surgery
# 43% of men say they disapprove of cosmetic surgery

21% of men would be embarrassed if a family member, friend, or co-worker saw their plastic surgery
20% of Women would be embarrassed if a family member, friend, or co-worker saw their plastic surgery

SOURCE: http://www.cosmeticp...2007-HIGHLIGHTS

Cosmetic surgery deaths

SOURCES:http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Cosmetic/story?id=124296&page=1
http://www.medicalne...icles/71223.php

Possible complications:

* abnormal heart rhythm
* airway obstruction
* blood clots
* brain damage
* death
* heart attack
* malignant hyperthermia
* nerve damage
* stroke
* temporary paralysis

SOURCE: http://www.smartplas...gery/risks.html

Quote from an unhappy woman who got plastic surgery.

'It ruined my life,' says Mrs Bryant. 'I contemplated suicide. My sex life has gone down the drain. I don't get undressed in front of my husband. I don't feel like a woman anymore.'

SOURCE:
http://www.netdoctor...eticsurgery.htm

I'm sure that if you search, you'll find these all over.

Edited by ImmortalityFreedom, 27 July 2009 - 04:08 AM.


#38 Luna

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 04:29 AM

I'm sure that if you search, you'll find these all over.


Problem is you find a lot the other way around too! making this argument a matter of opinion.

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 04:35 AM

Actually! the very same link you sent with the example of a really bad surgery also had another example of a very satisfied surgery!
Not to mention, the statistics were turned around, they said how many approve while you quoted how many disapprove which wasn't even said there!
Don't forget that sometimes it's not black and white and it doesn't mean all the rest of the votes said no, they could say the don't care.

Their reasons too might be different than "plastic surgeries are awful and dangerous", it could be along the lines of "nature is best" "don't mess with the body" "stop competing for beauty" and many other possible reasons.

It's always fun to give biased information! in whatever way possible :|?

edit: the page with the example of bad and good surgery you linked also have a warning that bad surgeries are usually because of an unqualified surgeon!!! that is VERY important information. It teaches you how to choose a qualified surgeon in the UK to avoid the bad surgery you are preaching against.

And the article about deaths in plastic surgeries again mentions unqualified surgeon!!! you won't have your health surgeries with unqualified surgeons either, will you?
Here it's about people wanting to make money, in the cost of people's health and lives. Don't take it as an example for qualified surgeons, which again mistakes might happen but probably not at a bigger rate than any normal surgery.

Edited by Luna, 27 July 2009 - 04:41 AM.


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Posted 27 July 2009 - 05:06 AM

# 44% of women say they disapprove of cosmetic surgery
# 43% of men say they disapprove of cosmetic surgery

21% of men would be embarrassed if a family member, friend, or co-worker saw their plastic surgery
20% of Women would be embarrassed if a family member, friend, or co-worker saw their plastic surgery


Interestingly you actually misquoted your sources (Perhaps could even be said you lied about them)
The real stats from your source are as follows:

# 56% of women say they approve of cosmetic surgery
# 57% of men say they approve of cosmetic surgery

Would not be embarrassed about having cosmetic surgery
# 78% of women say that, if they had cosmetic surgery in the future, they would not be embarrassed if people outside their immediate family and close friends knew about it
# 79% of men would not be embarrassed

This is, of course, an important distinction because often in polls there is an 'undecided' or 'votes that could not be counted' section. A simple inversion of the numbers is generally not a representation of the real results of the poll.
Furthermore these results do not actually support your case. As Kismet pointed out, even if we were simply to go by mob rule (generally a very bad way to determine human rights and freedoms), the majority of people support plastic surgery. Even in the polls you stand on shaky ground my friend.
But that's not really the point is it? If there was a 99% approval rating of slavery (yes, yes I had to bring it up) I would still argue vehemently that it is wrong. Rights and freedoms are NOT based off a poll no matter how good.

So please bring forth a reason to ban plastic surgery not based on mob rule, anecdotes or opinions and then we can seriously refute you. Until that point I will simply assume you are not of a mature age yet and hope that you grow into a broadening of your ideas.

Edited by Traclo, 27 July 2009 - 05:14 AM.


#41 The Immortalist

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 05:08 PM

I love this thread. I haven't been so entertained in a long time :3

@Immortality Freedom
Please argue some more. I want to be further entertained.

Edited by The Immortalist, 07 February 2011 - 05:11 PM.

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#42 karen

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 04:56 PM

The fact that you never see good plastic surgery reminds me of the story my mom told me when she wanted contact lenses as a teenager. Her dad, my grandfather, would tell her "If everyone is getting contact lenses, why haven't I seen them?" LOL

We see what we want to see.

I can make a pretty good argument that elective plastic surgery has a moral imperative. That is, no one would argue that cosmetic surgery is wrong in the case of burns, cancer, etc.. But plastic surgery only turns out well when the Dr performing the surgery has it down pat - a personal system for how they conduct the surgery. If they only do a few a month, they won't have that smooth and natural result that "nose doctors" have for example.

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 01:57 PM

Oh, on the contrary, plastic surgery should be absolutely mandatory like child vaccination. Prettiness should be made a non-negotiable part of the social contract.
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#44 Destiny's Equation

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 09:24 PM

Either it is a good idea, in which case it obviously should not be banned, or it is a bad idea, in which case banning it would only make a bad situation worse...

Banning anything creates a black market. If one's mentality is "let's save people from themselves", then to induce an epidemic of back-alley operations is to shoot oneself in the foot.

Remember prohibition?

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:58 PM

What about those who have their faces ripped to shreds from some kind of accident. Come on, we need plastic surgery. The problem is unethical doctors doing things way out of proportion.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:52 AM

Sure it's a great risk, but if you do a lot of research to find the right doctor and the right procedure to be done I think it's a great way for those of us born with ugly features to get a fair chance in the dating arena :)

#47 Hyphen

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 07:48 PM

I don't think we should ban it.
It's not a good idea to continiously ban everything that some people feel is bad because you are then alienating everybody who doesn't.

I'm pretty sure most people know the risks before going into it, and the people who don't should have done more research, which is likely their own fault.
Doctors make mistakes, sure, but this can happen on most any type of surgery.

Not that I condone it's use in most situations but for some disfigured people, by means of genetics or car accidents, whatever, it has some useful scenarios. Feeling ok in your skin is rather important to most people and even if it's for a non important cosmetic reason, who are they really hurting by getting it done? Are they hurting you? Definitely not, so, what is the point in taking that ability away from somebody, people should have control over their own lives...which is something that is constantly being stripped away from us due to people thinking we should ban everything just because they don't like it or approve of it.
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#48 niner

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 03:32 AM

who are they really hurting by getting it done? Are they hurting you? Definitely not


I'm more on the side of making plastic surgery mandatory than banning it, if I had to pick a side, but this question of "who are they hurting?" did make me think of one thing that maybe isn't obvious: Each person who chooses plastic surgery for themselves raises the bar on what is considered "attractive enough", and reduces the relative "value", or relative attractiveness of others in the same mate-seeking pool. Thus getting plastic surgery imposes a cost on everyone in the community who is competing for the same mate pool as you, although it provides some increment of value to all your potential mates, who now have a larger pool of attractive potential mates. If everyone was sufficiently attractive, then instead of choosing mates on criteria that are both superficial and ephemeral, we'd all be freed to choose on the basis of personality, wit, charm, or other more meaningful measures.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:07 AM

If everyone was sufficiently attractive, then instead of choosing mates on criteria that are both superficial and ephemeral, we'd all be freed to choose on the basis of personality, wit, charm, or other more meaningful measures.


But is beauty truly just skin deep?

http://www.psycholog...e-intelligent-i

...there is a clear monotonic positive association between physical attractiveness and intelligence. The more physically attractive respondents are, the more intelligent they are. The mean IQ is 94.2 for those rated “very unattractive,” 94.9 for those rated “unattractive,” 97.1 for those rated “about average,” 100.3 for those rated “attractive,” and 100.7 for those rated “very attractive.” Due partly to the large sample size, the association is highly statistically significant.


Edited by rwac, 12 March 2013 - 04:08 AM.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:42 AM

Interesting. I think that may have something to do with the relationship between intelligence and wealth, and the propensity for wealthier, more powerful people to win more attractive mates. Not merely attractive, but attractive and smart, or at least attractive and non-stupid. Over time this would result in a segregation of smart/pretty genes in one group, and dumb/ugly genes in another. There may be some other genetics behind the effect as well.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:39 PM

I cannot believe that there were even three people out there who voted "yes"...

I am going to just assume they did it by accident...

Edited by Bron, 19 March 2013 - 09:43 PM.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:53 PM

Either it is a good idea, in which case it obviously should not be banned, or it is a bad idea, in which case banning it would only make a bad situation worse...

Banning anything creates a black market. If one's mentality is "let's save people from themselves", then to induce an epidemic of back-alley operations is to shoot oneself in the foot.

Remember prohibition?



Remember prohibition? How can we forget, as we still have it. That's why our incarceration rate is higher than 200 countries. In fact, you can't find a country with a higher one.
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#53 Bron

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:09 PM

Either it is a good idea, in which case it obviously should not be banned, or it is a bad idea, in which case banning it would only make a bad situation worse...

Banning anything creates a black market. If one's mentality is "let's save people from themselves", then to induce an epidemic of back-alley operations is to shoot oneself in the foot.

Remember prohibition?



Remember prohibition? How can we forget, as we still have it. That's why our incarceration rate is higher than 200 countries. In fact, you can't find a country with a higher one.


While there is no official data on it, it is safe to assume North Korea has a higher incarceration rate. At the bare minimum, the North Koreans at least tie us in terms of per capita incarceration as number one in the world.

#54 Mind

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 06:09 PM

I have got an interview with the world record holder for cosmetic surgery - take a look here and let me know if you have any questions for the guest.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 10:40 PM

i'm moving to Mexico to live as soon as i've sold my house, the cost of plastic surgery for cosmetic reasons out there is 1/5 th the price in the UK i'm planning on having a Mini S face lift, bags under the eyes removed and then spend the rest of my old age chasing 40 year old Latino women, :>)

Edited by pleb, 20 May 2013 - 10:48 PM.

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#56 Mind

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 01:11 PM

The podcast with Cindy Jackson is now available.

#57 pleb

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 01:20 PM

Thanks mind, i was looking forwards to the interview,

my decision although i was flippant about it, stems from the old saying 68 on paper 21 in the head not strictly true perhaps 30 or 40 would be nearer the mark,
and then a telling quote from the actress Helen Mirren who said when you look in the mirror and don't like what you see, change it,

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 02:58 PM

Thanks mind, i was looking forwards to the interview,

my decision although i was flippant about it, stems from the old saying 68 on paper 21 in the head not strictly true perhaps 30 or 40 would be nearer the mark,
and then a telling quote from the actress Helen Mirren who said when you look in the mirror and don't like what you see, change it,


I think the mentality about aging needs to change. Looking at earlier cultures, aging was an ideal. I think that the commercialism promotes youth culture because it sells, young people do consume. Which in turn makes individuals feeling a sense of loss because it's just an ideal that nobody can follow, especially people that age. Looking at an image on what brandmarket dictates for us gives is a sense of grasp, an ideal to strive for to cope with the notion of who we are- It's a sideeffect of extreme individualism-- nobody knows shit about who we are. All of this is done so we will consume. It's ironic that people dont want to age coherently with their agegroup. I say age with grace. Take matters on your own hands instead of trying to buy in to capitalism. Start working out, go on a lifelong diet, get a real mans fashion sense. And do hump women.

BTW: I think there are some ageclinics in mexico, they can help you with your hormonal decline as long as it's done by real docs who have morals.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:12 PM

age with grace that means saggy jowls and wrinkles, , at my age i don't take any notice of my peer group they are mostly sad miserable old farts, i am already on various hormones and peptides plus quite a bit of other stuff recommended by posters on here,
unfortunately saggy jowls cannot be fixed with hormones unless taken before the jowls sags
as for humping women i still don't need the little blue pill and i do have a girlfriend,,

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 05:32 PM

I think it has to due more along the lines of the actual purpose of the procedure, but study's have also shown that due to the overwhelming "popularity" in beauty, it has shown that plastic surgery now has an anti-depressant type effect, even if its getting rid of those wrinkles. i think there needs to be less invasive treatment options with safer profiles, unless it is needed, but everybody is different even though we are all the same.

Just my 2 cents.




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