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#91 Pour_la_Science

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 08:35 AM

I'm for the moment quite focused on one forum in particular (the biggest French forum on the internet http://forum.doctiss..._1412_2.htm#bas ), answering to the participants.

Not sure it's the best solution but at least it allow me to improve my argumentation and the way my ideas about the subjects are influencing others.

I think for future development, it would be interested to list the frequent, usual arguments of the Deathists and lists the contra-arguments that we manage to present.
A sort of wiki of the Arguments of the Deathists ! Maybe it's already listed on this wonderful forum ? Sorry if it is.

I think there are two parts of their arguments :

1. People must die because :

1. If they don't, we risk overpopulation

2. Everything dies in the nature. It's the Law of the Nature.

3. It allows to renew the species with new people, new genes, new ideas.

4. If we live longer, it would be boring

5. What will you do if you live longer? It won't make you happier.

6. if they don't, the cost of retired people would be desastrous

7. It's the beauty of life to die. If we don't die, it would make life and the moments inside that less valuable.

2. Research on aging is a bad thing because :

1. There are a lot more other diseases to treat, which are more frequent and kill more people. In particular, most diseases are linked to our environment and the pollution, the way we are living, our diet. Not aging

2. It will increase the inequality between Rich and Poor countries because only the rich people will benefit from these future researches, as it is already the case for the most advanced drugs.

3. It will cost a lot of money. We should spend this money to decrease the inequality between rich and poor countries.

4. Researches will lead to a dead end. Ending aging is indeed impossible. Researches where mice had their lifespan increased, prove nothing because they aren't human.

5. Researches are made on animals. They are cruel so.

Edited by Pour_la_Science, 22 January 2011 - 08:46 AM.

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#92 brokenportal

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 09:10 PM

I created a topic about indefinite life extension on Social Network: http://www.socialout...id=6&Itemid=212

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 10:58 PM

HAHAHAHA this thread is SOO hilarious :D

Anyways, I'm an active member of at least 15-20 forums (I also have the suspicion that I might know more about online communities for smart people than anyone else in the nation, although it's not necessarily a good thing), so I have some good ideas.

Anyways, here's my google profile that lists all the communities I'm a part of: https://profiles.goo...m/simfish/about

"i also have somewhat active accounts on http://forum.thegradcafe.com/, reddit.com/r/askscience, reddit.com/r/sciencelounge, lesswrong.com, quora.com, phdcomics.com/proceedings, physicsforums.com, autoadmit.com, http://www.socialanx...pport.com/forum, physicsgre.com, addforums.com, wrongplanet.net, aspiesforfreedom.com, bluelight.ru, the-scholars.com, imminst.org, deathlist.net, mathlinks.ro, uselectionatlas.org, SPSW, INTL, and several defunct clan websites (Tonto, LKS, TMC, etc), although fphclan.com is still alive. "

Anyways, as for my suggestions: Definitely try to reach out to Asperger's Syndrome and Social Anxiety forums (so try Wrong Planet and Social Anxiety Support). People on those forums tend to be somewhat isolated from mainstream thinking (and overwhelmingly non-religious, especially on social anxiety forums), so they're a place to start off.

If you want to reach out to intelligent young people, try http://www.artofprob...orum/index.php? (a large number of the smartest math kids in the nation) and http://talk.collegec...h-school-life/. The mods on HSL on CC do like to delete threads, so try to avoid doing anything that sounds like advertising

Edited by InquilineKea, 29 May 2011 - 11:02 PM.


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Posted 29 May 2011 - 11:25 PM

Also, try psychopharmacology forums

http://www.drugs-forum.com/index.php

http://www.bluelight...aysprune=&f=155

http://www.reddit.co...chopharmacology

http://www.addforums...splay.php?f=310

There are really three types of fields overrepresented on the Internet: psychopharmacology, biogerontology, and physics (basically, I think it's a combination of how "autistic" the field is - since autists are more likely to go online, and how "open" the forums are). It would be nice to combine the advanced biochem knowledge of the psychopharmacology people and the biogerontology people.

Maybe vegetarian/vegan forums/communities could also work out. A lot of vegetarians also have a fairly intense antipathy to mainstream thinking (sure you might find some "new age" people, but who cares - as long as we get more scientifically informed members, it's good). And places like wrongplanet and social anxiety forums also have that visceral antipathy, so I'd also suggest them. In particular, people with mental conditions probably aren't as likely to "sell out" as they grow older - because they don't have that choice.

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And there are lots of other mental issue forums as well - psychforums.com is one of them. And http://crazymeds.us/...p/Main/HomePage has another (not very active) one.

Edited by InquilineKea, 29 May 2011 - 11:27 PM.


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Posted 30 May 2011 - 09:04 PM

HAHAHAHA this thread is SOO hilarious :D

Anyways, I'm an active member of at least 15-20 forums (I also have the suspicion that I might know more about online communities for smart people than anyone else in the nation, although it's not necessarily a good thing), so I have some good ideas.

Anyways, here's my google profile that lists all the communities I'm a part of: https://profiles.goo...m/simfish/about

"i also have somewhat active accounts on http://forum.thegradcafe.com/, reddit.com/r/askscience, reddit.com/r/sciencelounge, lesswrong.com, quora.com, phdcomics.com/proceedings, physicsforums.com, autoadmit.com, http://www.socialanx...pport.com/forum, physicsgre.com, addforums.com, wrongplanet.net, aspiesforfreedom.com, bluelight.ru, the-scholars.com, imminst.org, deathlist.net, mathlinks.ro, uselectionatlas.org, SPSW, INTL, and several defunct clan websites (Tonto, LKS, TMC, etc), although fphclan.com is still alive. "

Anyways, as for my suggestions: Definitely try to reach out to Asperger's Syndrome and Social Anxiety forums (so try Wrong Planet and Social Anxiety Support). People on those forums tend to be somewhat isolated from mainstream thinking (and overwhelmingly non-religious, especially on social anxiety forums), so they're a place to start off.

If you want to reach out to intelligent young people, try http://www.artofprob...orum/index.php? (a large number of the smartest math kids in the nation) and http://talk.collegec...h-school-life/. The mods on HSL on CC do like to delete threads, so try to avoid doing anything that sounds like advertising


Do you mind if you start threads about indefinite life extension on all the places on the net you have a decent presence on?

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 09:16 PM

I can try after school ends in a couple of weeks

That being said, I'm a bit of a troll, so some people are a bit suspicious of me :p

Edited by InquilineKea, 30 May 2011 - 09:17 PM.


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Posted 02 June 2011 - 02:39 PM

http://www.reddit.co...ts_bad_for_you/

Not specifically on life extension, but my replies are trying to put more of a "life extension" focus in - this may be a better approach than blatantly starting life extension threads, especially on places like AskScience. Also, I'm actively linking to Imminst here

Edited by InquilineKea, 02 June 2011 - 02:39 PM.


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Posted 03 June 2011 - 06:45 PM

This is a good addition. We want things that are as natural to discussion like this as possible yes. You don't have to link, you don't even have to talk about Longecity. By creating and collecting topics like this we, at the least, create more topics talking about the cause in general, but because we collect them, we leave the door open, indeed encourage through this team, for new people to go to any of the links they want, and continue the discussions. Its in the continuation of discussion that opportunities to link often naturally come up. Again though, we don't have to link even then, only when it is natural to. This is much less of a marketing practice and much more of a platform for the encouragement of discussion on the topic, be that good or bad, be that linked or not.

We will be promoting a list of these links to people in a more concerted way in the indefinite not so distant future, so the more good ones we can stack up now, the better. We have around 50 now, and when we push this I would feel comfortable with a minimum of 100.

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 10:29 AM

Ah thanks. :)

Anyways, I created a list of science forums by activity. It's at http://www.quora.com...on-the-Internet

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 06:46 PM

Commented here http://the-scientist...igns-of-aging/#
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Posted 06 August 2011 - 12:31 AM

Commented here http://the-scientist...igns-of-aging/#


Thanks, please keep it up. When you do it then other people see you doing it and are more likely to consider jumping in and helping too. Everything adds up. This team has already made a difference and can make as big of a one as it sets its mind to.




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