Can we design a bacteria/virus to keep us alive, as we in turn keep it alive as well? I have a theory that if we can develop a type of bacteria (or several types, each with a specific role) to keep certain cells alive and young, then we can guarantee immortality. Not only would they keep us from aging, but they could work as a first line of defense if we are hurt, repairing our bodies in case of sever trauma. A way to keep these cells from being attacked by our immune system could be accomplished by using the bacteria already found in our bodies that aid in digestion. Any opinions/ideas about this?
Mutualistic Immortality
#1
Posted 29 September 2009 - 02:22 PM
Can we design a bacteria/virus to keep us alive, as we in turn keep it alive as well? I have a theory that if we can develop a type of bacteria (or several types, each with a specific role) to keep certain cells alive and young, then we can guarantee immortality. Not only would they keep us from aging, but they could work as a first line of defense if we are hurt, repairing our bodies in case of sever trauma. A way to keep these cells from being attacked by our immune system could be accomplished by using the bacteria already found in our bodies that aid in digestion. Any opinions/ideas about this?
#2
Posted 31 January 2010 - 09:10 AM
#3
Posted 31 January 2010 - 01:22 PM
The only thing that would have to be done is to alter the immune system, by using the training mechanics that protect the body's cells from immune attack, such that it does not attack these altered cells carrying and producing novel|foreign proteins. Once this is done the immune system will not attack the proteins produced by the additional chromosomes and the altered|optimized ones from the human genome, they would be recognized as self not foreign.
Evolution requires a certain rate of error|mutation to work, thus a lower rate simply cannot evolve(it can only be designed), but this rate is extremely unlikely to be the lowest physically possible for DNA. It is likely that utilizing our knowledge we can engineer error-correction and repair mechanisms that are far superior, so that we can keep the code pretty much indefinitely intact. If this is so, immortal cells can be created(multiple copies would be used to compare|error-correct and undo any mutation, mutations that would be far rarer if the replication and repair was even more precise... thus mutations would for all purposes practically not accumulate through time.). In any event pretty much all cells and organs can be replaced wholly(organs preferably replaced cell-by-cell through a regeneration mechanism, rather than surgically.) with optimized cells and thus rejuvenated. The only organ that would be a bit problematic would be the brain, but even here chromosome transfusion|replacement should be enough to rejuvenate it(obviously adding a few neurons from time to time to compensate for those lost to injury|disease or any cause. Theoretically the new optimized replacement cells would not only be far more resistant to anything thrown at it, but could leave some sort of tracer substance in the unlikely case it died, such that it indicated replacement was necessary and also to what places it was connected.).
Theoretically, one could receive updated cells|models with more optimal codes as they are designed and brought to market. Such cells would travel through the body replacing older model cells with the more optimal ones and doing chromosome transfusion|replacement in the brain(say to allow the brain to better resist lack of oxygen in an emergency.). Thus one could imagine version 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, etc.
With this even the negligible-senescence|Agelessness of some creatures should not only be obtainable but surpassable.
Edited by Cameron, 31 January 2010 - 01:41 PM.
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Posted 31 January 2010 - 02:25 PM
If there was a way to use stem cells that carry only the immortal, so called 'pure' form (without new mutations) form of DNA, then all of our cells would contain the immortal DNA and so we would be considered immortal. Therefore, whilst agreeing with the previous post, I think there is no need to use artificially manipulated eukaryotic cells, but concentrate research into adult stem cells, carrying immortal strands of DNA.
#5
Posted 31 January 2010 - 05:46 PM
Human stem cells divide asymmetrically (according to some theories, not all), meaning that they produces one identical daughter (stem) cell and one somatic cell that can differentiate. The former cell carries the exact DNA of the parent cell, whereas the latter cell carries DNA which has mutations on it. This is a way for the parent stem cell to get rid of any mutations and maintain its originality - 'good' DNA is passed on to one daughter cell, and 'mutated' DNA is passed on to the somatic cell which ultimately makes us what we are. In essence we are made of cells that intrinsically carry mutated DNA, not the original immortal DNA strands. Therefore we age and die.
If there was a way to use stem cells that carry only the immortal, so called 'pure' form (without new mutations) form of DNA, then all of our cells would contain the immortal DNA and so we would be considered immortal. Therefore, whilst agreeing with the previous post, I think there is no need to use artificially manipulated eukaryotic cells, but concentrate research into adult stem cells, carrying immortal strands of DNA.
Even the stem cell pool can be subject to mutations through at least the following ways, 1.) During the initial creation of the stem cell pools(during development, any mutations that occur during replication propagate to descendant cells, some of which will become pools of stem cell.), without a more precise machinery of replication some of the created copies will inevitably carry some errors, 2.) Routine Repair|maintenance of DNA is not perfect, so it can sometimes result in mutations, even if no cell replication occurs. Besides that there is obviously the idea of adding additional traits, such as the ability to withstand lack of oxygen(in case the heart is injured) and toxins(mercury, lead, various poisons) or to provide better performance(for example regeneration ability, ability to digest more things, better immune systems.). So I believe therapies with genetically engineered cells do seem like an optimal path(NOTE: Just a single such therapy would confer indefinite lifespan if the appropriate modifications are physically possible. I mention the possibility of multiple versions, not because it is necessary, but because we might make only part of the modifications at first and also because we may wish to provide updates for things like security and the like.).
Edited by Cameron, 31 January 2010 - 06:21 PM.
#6
Posted 31 January 2010 - 07:31 PM
Not that we should not do it, but pop-culture already exploited the idea.
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