That´s what this forum is all about.You are just saying things...
In a forum like this we can discuss ideas, theories, facts, but not perform experiments or anything like that no matter how frustrating that might be.
Posted 05 January 2010 - 12:07 AM
That´s what this forum is all about.You are just saying things...
Posted 05 January 2010 - 07:15 AM
That´s what this forum is all about.You are just saying things...
In a forum like this we can discuss ideas, theories, facts, but not perform experiments or anything like that no matter how frustrating that might be.
Edited by Luna, 05 January 2010 - 07:18 AM.
Posted 23 January 2010 - 01:08 AM
"It doesn't help if someone says "There is N1 human nature and N2.." and doesn't give any evidence."That´s what this forum is all about.You are just saying things...
In a forum like this we can discuss ideas, theories, facts, but not perform experiments or anything like that no matter how frustrating that might be.
It doesn't help if someone says "There is N1 human nature and N2.." and doesn't give any evidence. That makes it pointless.
Why do we trust science experiments and not what people just tell us you asked? Because people don't know what they feel, see or whatever, you can make people believe they feel all sort of things which aren't there.
Science experiments are run in very specific set environments with measuring devices and everything, are usually repeated to be sure and by different labs
You just choose to believe in things without evidence (or you are at least not providing any evidence).
That's why (and please do not extend this sentence to a conversation, it's an off topic example) people here choose not to believe in God, it's based on people saying, yet no evidence. No one sees God, no one sees anything that can be linked to God evidently.
People claim they "feel God" or "everything is linked to God" and they can't give evidence to it, "Well Duh, he's behind the scenes" see, that's not very helping.
About "feeling God", people can feel anything they want, as a kid I been playing with some friends "Imagine games", I could easily feel if as if I had wings, tail, controlling the clouds or whatever", I felt my wings bump into doors when I walked through them, but they never bothered me walking through, they were just a feeling.
We could even play catch with "heat/energy balls" and feel them by heat. You know what, if we weren't looking or focusing on it, we didn't feel a thing. We wanted to feel it so we felt it, I am sure I can still do it with anyone who believes it has a chance to be real. It was fun, but it's not really there.
And if you start come "Oh but you have wings, you felt your metaphysical self.. whatever..!" I will summon my metaphysical dragon and EAT you!
Posted 23 January 2010 - 07:57 AM
Posted 23 January 2010 - 12:53 PM
Posted 23 January 2010 - 05:17 PM
Supose you did saw a yellow elephant. You had the garanties that it´s not yellow paint. Ok. How are you going to give us any evidence of your yellow elephant? Sending a photo? How do we know that it is not painted yellow? The only way we had is to see the elephant and confirm that it is not painted yellow. In a post in a Forum you have no way to prove that your elephant is in fact yellow. Even if you send us a document of an institution, we could doubt that document. So, only near the real elephant we could prove his yellow color! I don´t see no other option.are you reading my posts at all? YOU are the one supposed to describe the evidence.
What you are doing is no different from me saying "There are yellow elephants!".
Sure I said that, but I never saw one, no one ever did! I just SAID it, it doesn't help anyone if I didn't bring evidence of it. Show us N2 or this thread is useless, that's my point.
Posted 23 January 2010 - 05:20 PM
Can you be more specific?What kind of features can we expect from an immortal body?
Saggy boobs.
Posted 24 January 2010 - 04:55 PM
Can you be more specific?What kind of features can we expect from an immortal body?
Saggy boobs.
Posted 25 January 2010 - 03:04 PM
"the Sun is not an immortal body"Can you be more specific?What kind of features can we expect from an immortal body?
Saggy boobs.
UU =>> VV
When even the Sun is not an immortal body, it is really hard to answer this. Therefore, I offer snark.
Posted 25 January 2010 - 03:59 PM
"the Sun is not an immortal body"Can you be more specific?What kind of features can we expect from an immortal body?
Saggy boobs.
UU =>> VV
When even the Sun is not an immortal body, it is really hard to answer this. Therefore, I offer snark.
Where did you get that idea? From scientific forecast? They change all the time! Besides there are lots of theories. How do you know what theorie is the right one? (If there is such a thing). Science knows very few things about the future, and by definition, we can never be sure. What can happen in the future? We just don´t know!
Posted 26 January 2010 - 01:04 AM
Supose you did saw a yellow elephant. You had the garanties that it´s not yellow paint. Ok. How are you going to give us any evidence of your yellow elephant? Sending a photo? How do we know that it is not painted yellow? The only way we had is to see the elephant and confirm that it is not painted yellow. In a post in a Forum you have no way to prove that your elephant is in fact yellow. Even if you send us a document of an institution, we could doubt that document. So, only near the real elephant we could prove his yellow color! I don´t see no other option.are you reading my posts at all? YOU are the one supposed to describe the evidence.
What you are doing is no different from me saying "There are yellow elephants!".
Sure I said that, but I never saw one, no one ever did! I just SAID it, it doesn't help anyone if I didn't bring evidence of it. Show us N2 or this thread is useless, that's my point.
You surely saw my posts were I describe some of the strange properties of nature N2 (if science is affraid to confirm them, what can I do?) But how can I post those evidences in a forum? I see no way.
(Remember the photos of "UFO´s"? They didn´t prove anything and they could be manipulated)
Posted 26 January 2010 - 03:15 AM
"the Sun is not an immortal body"Can you be more specific?What kind of features can we expect from an immortal body?
Saggy boobs.
UU =>> VV
When even the Sun is not an immortal body, it is really hard to answer this. Therefore, I offer snark.
Where did you get that idea? From scientific forecast? They change all the time! Besides there are lots of theories. How do you know what theorie is the right one? (If there is such a thing). Science knows very few things about the future, and by definition, we can never be sure. What can happen in the future? We just don´t know!
Posted 27 January 2010 - 11:39 PM
The dynamic of the universe doesn´t mean that human immortality is impossible. We are talking of two absolute different things."the Sun is not an immortal body"Can you be more specific?What kind of features can we expect from an immortal body?
Saggy boobs.
UU =>> VV
When even the Sun is not an immortal body, it is really hard to answer this. Therefore, I offer snark.
Where did you get that idea? From scientific forecast? They change all the time! Besides there are lots of theories. How do you know what theorie is the right one? (If there is such a thing). Science knows very few things about the future, and by definition, we can never be sure. What can happen in the future? We just don´t know!
I think you misread my post. To clarify; even stars are mortal creatures, so it's really hard to tell what a truly "immortal" system would be like.
Posted 24 April 2010 - 03:22 AM
Posted 24 April 2010 - 06:19 AM
* So, I came to a conclusion: with a human nature that as the possibility to eliminate all the problems caused by aging, and has no kind of diseases, that nature has a very serious problem with pshychology and the impossibility to survive some mortal accident in the future. Because the probability is note zero, it´s only a matter of time untill that person will have a mortal accident.
So, in this particular situation, immortality is an impossibility, regardless of all the science advances. I don´t know how can we avoid this obstacle. Any idea?
Posted 24 April 2010 - 01:37 PM
Can you be more specific?* So, I came to a conclusion: with a human nature that as the possibility to eliminate all the problems caused by aging, and has no kind of diseases, that nature has a very serious problem with pshychology and the impossibility to survive some mortal accident in the future. Because the probability is note zero, it´s only a matter of time untill that person will have a mortal accident.
So, in this particular situation, immortality is an impossibility, regardless of all the science advances. I don´t know how can we avoid this obstacle. Any idea?
Duplication
Posted 24 April 2010 - 08:44 PM
Can you be more specific?* So, I came to a conclusion: with a human nature that as the possibility to eliminate all the problems caused by aging, and has no kind of diseases, that nature has a very serious problem with pshychology and the impossibility to survive some mortal accident in the future. Because the probability is note zero, it´s only a matter of time untill that person will have a mortal accident.
So, in this particular situation, immortality is an impossibility, regardless of all the science advances. I don´t know how can we avoid this obstacle. Any idea?
Duplication
Posted 24 April 2010 - 09:53 PM
Posted 25 April 2010 - 06:42 AM
Posted 25 April 2010 - 03:36 PM
Yeah, virtual reality is offering a lot. But if everyone is in the machine, who will prevent the stars from dying and the universe of ending? :(
Posted 25 April 2010 - 08:00 PM
Edited by Luna, 25 April 2010 - 08:00 PM.
Posted 25 April 2010 - 10:32 PM
I am sorry Kolos but as of the current knowledge, you aren't independent from the universe :/
Even without this technologies that would give as God-like powers "hiding in a computer" would have many advantages to living in some sort of biological body, you need much less to sustain your existence - just energy while biobody needs oxygen, food, water and many other things. You can hide machines deep underground, under tons of concrete, in the ice of antarctic on the asteroids or in the cold emptyness of space but it might be more volnurable from the inside, computer viruses could kill people like black death.Hiding in a computer isn't going to change that unless it has infinite energy and some super immortal shield :(
Posted 30 April 2010 - 02:26 PM
Are you talking about computers or men, because you cannot transform one thing into the other...Can you be more specific?* So, I came to a conclusion: with a human nature that as the possibility to eliminate all the problems caused by aging, and has no kind of diseases, that nature has a very serious problem with pshychology and the impossibility to survive some mortal accident in the future. Because the probability is note zero, it´s only a matter of time untill that person will have a mortal accident.
So, in this particular situation, immortality is an impossibility, regardless of all the science advances. I don´t know how can we avoid this obstacle. Any idea?
Duplication
Presumably within the next few centuries we will be able to scan our brains and recreate all of the unique connections which constitute our sentience. Now if we download this information into an inorganic "host" humanoid we could circumvent the problem of inevitable death given enough time by simply creating several copies (ideally interfacing copies) of ourselves.
Once one dies you create another to compensate for your attrition.
Posted 30 April 2010 - 02:36 PM
Posted 30 April 2010 - 02:55 PM
Let me tell you something, if you want an immortal life, it is not enought to find an immortal body, you need to find an endless happiness, otherwise, you will make suicide. By the simple reason that we are dealing with eternity and not an enormous amount of time. Did you get my idea?
(True happiness can never come from technology).
Posted 08 May 2010 - 09:37 PM
There is a gentleman out there named "Li Ching Yuen" who, according to the New York Times (and many other publications) which researched this incredible man, found records that proved when he died in 1933 he was 256 years of age. This information does not prove human immortality, but it does prove our modern day beliefs about aging are suspect at best. I can give you many such examples that can prove that "human immortality" is possible, but outside of performing a live dissection in front of 1,000+ scientists of impecible creditiblty of a real immortal, we are simply not going to have absolute proof that "human immortality" is reality.
Edited by chris w, 08 May 2010 - 09:39 PM.
Posted 08 May 2010 - 09:38 PM
Edited by chris w, 08 May 2010 - 10:02 PM.
Posted 08 May 2010 - 09:39 PM
Edited by chris w, 08 May 2010 - 09:40 PM.
Posted 08 May 2010 - 11:15 PM
Is that what your guru said?(True happiness can never come from technology).
Posted 09 May 2010 - 09:37 PM
I am my own guruIs that what your guru said?(True happiness can never come from technology).
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